Bravely Default Outsells Lightning Returns FF13

Digital sales are also factored in (and would not be counted by NPD) in this calculation. All at the source.

Did you get BD? I remember you saying you were gonna.

Wait till you get to Chapter 6.

NPD apparently didn't include digital sales.

And Lighting Returns is ALSO available digitally so your thread is pretty messed up charz :( ... Lighting Returns sold more than Bravely Default according to NPD and in terms of digital nobody knows the exact units sold for both games especially for lighting Returns, only way is to look at the ratings and LR seem to have done really well on PSN ( by looking at the ratings but keep in mind not all buyers are going to even bother rating a game which is why its hard to tell ).

i dont own either games but i shall get both later.. currently too busy with Tales of Symphonia Chronicles

im just a little confused with this thread thats all BUT AWESOME Sales for BOTH games! the more JRPGs show up on the top 10 charts the better IMO.

Lightning Returns' digital sales also added, and Bravely Default came out at the top. Jeez, again, look at the source.

But if you need to know, Lightning Returns charted at #10 on the PSN Store charts, beaten only by amazing, fresh new games such as PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale and two year old Call of Duty DLC. Yes, I'm sure Lightning Returns' digital sales (on a console with a low digital attach rate, at that) were amazing.

Again, check the source- when all sales were accounted for, Bravely Default came out at the top.

It's not a matter of them making something people like or not. These things were either A) planned years in advanced B) Seen as an easy way to recoup cost for FF13.

Making games is expensive and making sequels using the same engines and assets to make sequels is cheaper and usually garners a returns on the developed first game and the subsequent sequels.

Well deserved. Bravely Default is more of a final fantasy than any final fantasy over the past decade.

I gave the source a quick look and it says 200K physically+ digital for BD ( originally i thought 200K physically only but it seems 200K for both physical and digital so did it sell less than 200K physically? ) while no mention of the exact numbers for LR physical or digital ( except LR being #8 while BD #10 at NPD) .

so far everything shows that LR outsold BD.

As for PSall stars wasnt the game on sale for what $5 or $9 few weeks ago? compared to LR being $60 its no brainier that those who wanted the game will finally get it at $9 or $5 as for CoD DLC it was also on sale ( and its CoD the biggest FPS in gaming afterall ).

its exciting news that both games sold well but why the misleading title? :P

anyways epic news that both games sold well

• Call of Duty: Ghosts (360, PS3, Xbox One, PS4, Wii U, PC)
• 2. The Lego Movie Videogame (360, PS3, 3DS, Wii U, Xbox One, PS4, Vita)
• 3. NBA 2K14 (360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, PC)
• 4. Thief (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3)
• 5. Grand Theft Auto V (360, PS3)
• 6. Battlefield 4 (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC)
• 7. Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag (360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Wii U, PC)
• 8. Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, 360)
• 9. Minecraft (360)
• 10. Bravely Default (3DS)

BD spankin dem Lightning.

Because it's not misleading, finalstar. Bravely Default sold 180,000 units physically, and another 20,000 digitally.

Lightning Returns sold around 190,000 combined. So it outsold Bravely Default on NPD, which does not track digital sales, but got outsold by the game overall.

Unless you try to tell me that Lightning Returns had a 20% attach rate digitally as well (on a console with historically low digital penetration at that), you don't have an argument.

Plus, again, the source actually goes through this step by step. These are people with full access to the numbers. They know what they are talking about there.

Uh, you think I don't know that? I absolutely loved Grandia 3's battle system. At it's best Lightning Returns rivals it, especially when you've got a semi-action based system to it(timing of guards and evade). It doesn't hold up on all battles (like random battles), but against tough enemies, damn it's good. It's sad how the hate has blinded people. How are you any different that the people that thought Grandia and SH have shit battle systems?

Grandia 3 had a crap story, and people gave it low reviews and so Square doesn't make those games anymore. Same with Valkyria Chronicles with Sega. Now we're likely to never get battle systems like Grandia, VC and what Lightning Returns gave us. Suikoden? Who knows. The genre is worse off when companies realise people just want carbon copies of old games. Pokemon sells a bunch, you want that battle system in FF?

Pokemon X and Valkyria Chronicles get in the way. :P

I'm surprised by this I loved Bravely Default for it's battle system and story

Square Enix already recouped their costs with the first FFXIII, which sold 6.6 million units, equivalent to revenues at least several times greater than the game's budget.

Chapter 5 is when the madness begins. If you're more into the combat than anything else, Chapter 5 and 6 shouldn't be too bad. However, I would recommend just avoiding the majority of sidequests in those chapters, as none of them have anything of value (with the exception of one in Chapter 6).

OT: The digital sales are definitely what pushed Bravely Default to higher sales. With such limited quantities, finding a physical copy was difficult for some.

Considering how quickly Final Fantasy XIII-2 dropped in price, I'm going to hold off on Lightning Returns for the time being. Also doesn't help that it was one of the games affected by the video game price hike in Canada. D:

BD is great and I'm glad other gamers realize that as well. I hope this sends square a message.

Well yeah, there is that. Pretty much the simple answer.

But even beyond that Animal. Lets just say you were correct and SE did have to crank out sequels to an ill received game just to recoup. That would just mean that they obviously have a terrible strategy. They never operated like that in the past and most companies aren't operating like that now.

An engine can (and should) be reused on multiple games, nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean that they had to continue making XIII sequels though. In the time it took them to make XIII-2 and XIII-3, they could have made an entirely new game (or two) be it FF or another IP, still using the same engine. And being a fresh game, not a sequel to a turd, it would have stood the chance to sell many more units.

XIII sold pretty well, but had a poor reception. So much so that they had to come out and speak on it multiple times, a first for SE and this series. They should have seen that a XIII-2 would sell significantly less, but they still pushed it out. And it sold poorly, but they STILL shot for a XIII-3... look at where we are now.

It doesn't seem that they're overly concerned about being as profitable as they can. It seems more like the creative leads want to force us to like a character and universe that they think is cool. I know that is a ridiculous assumption to make since we're talking about a business here... but that's just how I see it. It's the only scenario regarding the XIII series that seems to make sense. They're just making one obvious mistake after another here. Why?

well according to NPD.....Lightning Returns sold more.

You're an idiot.

NPD does not track digital sales.

Good.Also maybe square will finally learn it's lesson after ffx hd outsells it .(calling it now it will happen)

That piece of garbage doesn't even deserve the final fantasy name.

game deserves millions of sales - Bravely Default that is

Bravely default is a great game despite its pacing issues.

@charizard1605:

@charizard1605: Your "Source" has no access to digital sales figures and a quick look at their background would've told you that. The best info we have on NA, while incomplete, is NPD. And BD is trails.

Nice own goal. I suppose using your logic, this means SE should learn that people want less BD and more FFXIII, amirite?

Lightning returns sold 164k

Bravely default sold 200k with digital.

@charizard1605: No doubt that the message is clear: People don't want FF XIII. It's crap. It's a crap direction to take the series in. People aren't as enamoured with Lightning as the developers seem to be, and nobody wants the stupid fabula nova crystallis shite. I'm so glad BD outsold it.

I really need to buy a 3ds for this game Fire emblem..... :\. I just know that it will collect dust after completion though... :\

We also have this:

Bravely Default sold 22k w/ digital numbers, 200k total.

LR sold ~185k at retail- it would need a 10% digital ratio to have outsold Bravely Default, and again, we already know that does not hold true for the PS3.

Yea its so obvious this must be the answer.....

That game was a huge pleasure to play. Its definitely one of my favorite jrpgs or sjrpg....watevere it listed as bottom line its cool.

Yeah, the 3ds has at least 3 or 4 games that I want to play(Phoenix wright, Bravely Default, Fire Emblem, etc . I was a big phoenix wright fan. I like my Vita's hardware...but most of the game are just HD remakes. Which is kind of disappointing. But I am enjoying Persona 4 golden.

I personally didint care for x.

To be honest critically FF13 wasint ill received.It was 13-2 and LR that was more mixed in reception.So that could be why they put out another game and it did sell well. So they thought the others would to. While I enjoyed 13-2 and as of now almost done with LR and enjoying that as well I personally feel 13 should have ended at part 1 since it had closure from the get go. It felt kinda pointless to make another game within the universe when everything ended.LR is also proboly the result of we started something with 13-2 we should finish it with this last game.

I'm glad the FFXIII series is ending on such a down-note. If they ever try to blanket an entire generation with one universe like that ever again, I will personally boycott SE games.

And don't mention FFXIV.. It was clear the series was in dereliction status with the shape that game launched in. Enix has been utter cancer for the series and everyone knows it.

Don't you blame Enix for any of this. They have absolutely nothing to do with Final Fantasy. Square and Enix remain separate entities within the larger overall company and none have any say in the other's series (or, for example, Kingdom Hearts would star Dragon Quest characters too, as an example).

Final Fantasy's utter failings are not because of Enix, it;s because Square can't get its shit together. Simple as that.

Do you really not believe the numbers? Nintendo has confirmed via their press website that Bravely Default's Sales were over 200,000, outselling Fire Emblem's debut launch by 10%.

I still enjoyed FFXIV: A Realm Reborn a billion times more than I did the Final Fantasy XIII series. But then again, these are two different Square Enix teams.

I'm leaving ARR out of this. ARR was that pivotal moment when Square-Enix realized that it was, in fact, possible to set their golden egg laying chocobo on fire and moved to correct it.

Not only did SE apologize for the mess that was FF XIV, they also fixed the damn game and made it extremely good. On the other side of the spectrum, we have devs that refuse to fix their game and want to release a DLC instead. *coughWarnerBroscough*

Enix has nothing to do with the state of series. If anything, the blame rests on the FF XIII team for following up with 2 sequels for a universe few care about.

For the record, I play ARR. Love it! I was one of the unfortunate few who had the CE for the original :(

Really hoping that XV is good. I've wanted it for so long, it has been wretchedly painful to stay an FF fan while they regurgitated XIII over and over again. Really tested me as a fan.

Same here :)

I've been stoked for FF XV for quite a while. That gameplay vid showing Leviathan made my jaw drop.

Just started BD on my new 2DS (Very excited I got one of these) and I must say I hope Square continues pushing new ideas for the Final Fantasy franchise. If BD had released on the PS3 along with FF then I could see the reason to compare, but they aren't. Both games on on different platforms, have different goals, and target audiences and expectations for Square. Just because BD sold more doesn't mean anything really.

Although Final Fantasy Lightning Returns is now on my list of least favorite Final Fantasy games with 9 and 12, its battle system was highly addicting and the lore and game world were awesome. BD is just to oldschool for me and rarely takes the risk Final Fantasy has always done with every game. Even the side games. I'd rather have new ideas in more ways and pushing boundaries, then old school "safe" ideas. If I wanted old school games, i'd play the ones I own already from way back when.

Why would anyone buy lightning returns digitally. Do you really want to hold on to that steaming pile of shit for forever? Square selling over 7 million copies just tells them continue the trend. Just because it says final fantasy does not mean buy it.