Built 1st gaming pc, thoughts on PC versus Consoles

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"]Is it me or is the PC gaming base (hermits) growing and growing with each passing day? I remember a time when I was practically the only one with Adrianwerner that used to defend the PC here, my how times have changed. mjarantilla

If you'd bother to read all the parts that he got, he actually did a really good job on the price. The CPU/Speakers/Graphics Card easily account for half of what he spent.

What makes you think paying a 3rd party to assemble it would be cheaper?

I'm sure that if he'd hunted around more instead of using Newegg for all of them he could've pulled the price down by a couple of hundred. But that's just a matter of how much convenience you're willing to trade for money. No sense getting buyer's regret over it.

$50 or so maybe. A couple hundred? No.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]"*Frowns* I'm the OG. Anyway back on topic, TC you spent way too much money on that rig, you can use gamepads on the PC, you could have used a third party to assemble it, etc. _Pedro_

woops sorry vandal. I forgot about you, I can't remember a time you weren't here.

Most of the PC gamers left SW after they lost an epic bet with 1 guy over the review outcome of Doom 3. Its taken years for the population to build up again.

Wartzay

yeah I remember that. That was pretty humiliating, I'm glad I didn't bet as well.

Funny thing though is that Doom 3 IMO is a VERY good game. I have beat it like 5 times. I occasionally come back and use the graphics modding apps to play the game with better graphics and such.

Which is what I am talking about. The 3gig "recommendations" were false.

rimnet00

More like Ubisoft decided to not get everyone angry so in their "Minimum Requirements" they had the recommended in parentheses but conveniently left out RAM "recommended" specs. I bet it will run just fine on max with 2GB but you never know... The only thing they didn't give a "Recommended" for was the RAM... Convenient isn't it?

I've always been a console gamer. I've owned SNES, PS2, gamecube, xbox, and xbox 360. I still own all these except the SNES. But I built my first gaming PC last week.

Specs:

Case COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC Power Supply Antec earthwatts EA500 Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Processor Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHzHeatsink/Fan ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Memory Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 Graphics Card BFG Tech BFGE88512GTSE GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB Hard drive Western Digital Caviar SE WD2500AAJS 250GB Optical Drive SAMSUNG Black 20X DVD+R Operating System Windows Vista Home Basic (OEM) Monitor Acer 22" Widescreen Speakers Logitech Z-5500 Keyboard Saitek Eclipse Mouse Logitech MX518

Total cost for everything (inluding shipping and tax) = $1291. I shopped arround, and usually got decent/good deals.

Total Time Spent (researching, shopping, building, overclocking) ~ 50-100 hrs.

I overclocked the GPU to 800mz, and the CPU to 3.3ghz. My 3dMark06 score is 14800.

I spend the weekend playing Crysis on the highest settings.

Conclusion:

1. PC gaming requires a significant initial investment in either time, money or both. But I personally loved every minute of building this thing. Honestly building it was more fun than playing on it. However, I'm an engineer (geek), and I expect not everyone would enjoy this. Building/overclocking wasn't hard, but it wasn't "easy" either. Basically you have to be willing to search PC message boards, ask questions, and read a lot. It's about 95% researching and 5% doing.

2. PC Gaming is on a different level than Console gaming. A PC gamerankings score of 85 is probably worth ~90+ on a console.

3. Crysis is amazing. I mean Holy F***ing God Amazing.

4. In the end, if you already have a HDTV and sound system, consoles are the best gaming experience you'll probably have for their initial cost (~$400). I've seen a lot of low cost builds posted here, but no one would build those.

5. PC might be the best bang for the buck. The initial investment is alot, but the games are much cheaper. I got Crysis on Ebay for $25, Stalker for $13, and Company of Heros for $5. The PC has a HUGE game library, so if you calculate $/hr of fun, the PC will be a better value the more you play it. Also I will be able to radically upgrade this system in a few years for roughly the cost of a new console. Once you learn how to build and overclock, upgrading takes minutes.

6. Console gaming is "easier"

- Initial setup and investment is easier

- Controller is easier to learn than mouse+keyboard

- Games don't crash nearly as often

- Games don't install, have hardware requirements, etc. You just put it in and play.

In the end I'll keep playing both. I'll buy a Wii when I can find one for sale at retail price. I'll buy a PS3 when MGS4 comes out. But I think I'll buy Rainbow Six Vegas II for the PC and not the 360. The PC is in first place.

Hoikensnogin

Why did you get Vista Home (the basic), why not ultimate? Vista will only see 3gb's of memory I would have got 3gb's, unless you get Vista 64, then you could have got 4gb of memory.

I work in IT, I want to build a gaming PC, but knowing me, I would only use it for Microsoft Office. For the price you spent on parts, I would have got a MAC.

My thoughts on PC vs consoles.

Fall-Winter:

On X360 - Halo 3, PGR 4, VF 5, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, DMC 4, Army of Two, Condemned 2. Next month - GTA 4. June - Ninja Gaiden 2. Spring - Battlefield Bad Company.

On PC - Crysis, Witcher.

Mine think PC is useless for games, good for Photoshop though

Why did you get Vista Home (the basic), why not ultimate? Vista will only see 3gb's of memory I would have got 3gb's, unless you get Vista 64, then you could have got 4gb of memory.

I work in IT, I want to build a gaming PC, but knowing me, I would only use it for Microsoft Office. For the price you spent on parts, I would have got a MAC.

CubanBlunt

He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Why did you get Vista Home (the basic), why not ultimate? Vista will only see 3gb's of memory I would have got 3gb's, unless you get Vista 64, then you could have got 4gb of memory.

I work in IT, I want to build a gaming PC, but knowing me, I would only use it for Microsoft Office. For the price you spent on parts, I would have got a MAC.

Bgrngod

He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

Haha, i totally missed that post. That is hilarious.

For just the PC (no monitor, speakers, mouse, keyboard, or OS) I paid ~$830. I shopped around a lot though. Used Fatwallet.com, rebates, coupons, ebay, etc. Without shopping around, the cost would be ~$1000. The OS (vista OEM) was $70 from Jigantic.com.

Hoikensnogin

You could have got a decent case for around $50, you have all kinds of motherboards. $830 was to much, you didnt really build it yourself, you got someone to build it for you.

My thoughts on PC vs consoles.

Fall-Winter:

On X360 - Halo 3, PGR 4, VF 5, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, DMC 4, Army of Two, Condemned 2. Next month - GTA 4. June - Ninja Gaiden 2. Spring - Battlefield Bad Company.

On PC - Crysis, Witcher.

Mine think PC is useless for games, good for Photoshop though

goddamn_

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"]Is it me or is the PC gaming base (hermits) growing and growing with each passing day? I remember a time when I was practically the only one with Adrianwerner that used to defend the PC here, my how times have changed. Bgrngod

If you'd bother to read all the parts that he got, he actually did a really good job on the price. The CPU/Speakers/Graphics Card easily account for half of what he spent.

What makes you think paying a 3rd party to assemble it would be cheaper?

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Why did you get Vista Home (the basic), why not ultimate? Vista will only see 3gb's of memory I would have got 3gb's, unless you get Vista 64, then you could have got 4gb of memory.

I work in IT, I want to build a gaming PC, but knowing me, I would only use it for Microsoft Office. For the price you spent on parts, I would have got a MAC.

Bgrngod

He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enought to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, thats all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Why did you get Vista Home (the basic), why not ultimate? Vista will only see 3gb's of memory I would have got 3gb's, unless you get Vista 64, then you could have got 4gb of memory.

I work in IT, I want to build a gaming PC, but knowing me, I would only use it for Microsoft Office. For the price you spent on parts, I would have got a MAC.

CubanBlunt

He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enought to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, thats all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

Uh yes it is, I was using 2GB RAM with Vista before, it was perfectly fine, granted I had to close sidebar and some additional features before playing ...

Whoa MAC's got a few games :roll: they much be teh graphic pros! CoD's have always been on MACs, thats no big deal at all.

My thoughts on PC vs consoles.

Fall-Winter:

On X360 - Halo 3, PGR 4, VF 5, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, DMC 4, Army of Two, Condemned 2

On PC - Crysis, Witcher.

Mine think PC is useless for games, good for Photoshop though

goddamn_

so... Sins of a Solar Empire, Audiosurf(which BTW, kicks the CRAP out of most of the titles on your list), World in Conflict, Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, RACE 07(better Racing game than PGR 4), ALL of the Sam and Max games that have come out since September, and many other titles don't exist then.... Burnout was pretty good but Army of Two, DMC4, Condemned 2 and VF 5 are all pretty mediocre titles. PGR 4 was decent but not "good." Halo 3 didn't even come close to living up to the hype or expectations and was overall merely good.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Why did you get Vista Home (the basic), why not ultimate? Vista will only see 3gb's of memory I would have got 3gb's, unless you get Vista 64, then you could have got 4gb of memory.

I work in IT, I want to build a gaming PC, but knowing me, I would only use it for Microsoft Office. For the price you spent on parts, I would have got a MAC.

Meu2k7

He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enough to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, that's all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

Uh yes it is, I was using 2GB RAM with Vista before, it was perfectly fine, granted I had to close sidebar and some additional features before playing ...

Whoa MAC's got a few games :roll: they much be teh graphic pros! CoD's have always been on MACs, thats no big deal at all.

yep. People seem to forget that the most RAM heavy things in Vista are purely aesthetic features. Aero and Sidebar eat system resources like they haven't eaten in years. Turn those off and it actually takes up no more RAM than XP does. And closing them is nothing more than a click of a button. However, with 2GB, Sidebar is all that really needs to be turned off. I actually permanently turned it off.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Why did you get Vista Home (the basic), why not ultimate? Vista will only see 3gb's of memory I would have got 3gb's, unless you get Vista 64, then you could have got 4gb of memory.

I work in IT, I want to build a gaming PC, but knowing me, I would only use it for Microsoft Office. For the price you spent on parts, I would have got a MAC.

Meu2k7

He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enought to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, thats all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

Uh yes it is, I was using 2GB RAM with Vista before, it was perfectly fine, granted I had to close sidebar and some additional features before playing ...

Whoa MAC's got a few games :roll: they much be teh graphic pros! CoD's have always been on MACs, thats no big deal at all.

You proved my point, with 3g's you dont need to close anything, basically you have to close apps to make it work with 2g's. What would happend if you close those apps with 3g's????

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

CubanBlunt

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enought to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, thats all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

You sure did dumb that down. 1 gig required, therefor 2 gigs is not enough. Brilliant! Yore mathz is awsum!

Call of Duty 4 is on the Mac? Sorry, not until at least May. Try again.

You proved my point, with 3g's you dont need to close anything, basically you have to close apps to make it work with 2g's. What would happend if you close those apps with 3g's????CubanBlunt

those apps are pointless though....

Also, about your beloved Mac. Leopard isn't all that great either you know. Only difference between it and Vista is Vista didn't have a company going on a huge coverup campaign all over the place. That is right, Leopard has just as many issues as Vista but Apple censored reviews and news about it and also had moderators all over the internet deleting forum posts about its numerous issues.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Why did you get Vista Home (the basic), why not ultimate? Vista will only see 3gb's of memory I would have got 3gb's, unless you get Vista 64, then you could have got 4gb of memory.

I work in IT, I want to build a gaming PC, but knowing me, I would only use it for Microsoft Office. For the price you spent on parts, I would have got a MAC.

CubanBlunt

He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enought to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, thats all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

Uh yes it is, I was using 2GB RAM with Vista before, it was perfectly fine, granted I had to close sidebar and some additional features before playing ...

Whoa MAC's got a few games :roll: they much be teh graphic pros! CoD's have always been on MACs, thats no big deal at all.

You proved my point, with 3g's you dont need to close anything, basically you have to close apps to make it work with 2g's. What would happend if you close those apps with 3g's????

I have 3GB, and it never goes above 80% RAM usage with a game and all extras open (Itunes, Firefox ect ) ...

3GB isnt needed to max out a game on Vista at 30 FPS ... though it will begin to bottleneck alittle eventually ...

And closing sidebar takes 2 seconds ....

[QUOTE="goddamn_"]

My thoughts on PC vs consoles.

Fall-Winter:

On X360 - Halo 3, PGR 4, VF 5, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, DMC 4, Army of Two, Condemned 2

On PC - Crysis, Witcher.

Mine think PC is useless for games, good for Photoshop though

horrowhip

so... Sins of a Solar Empire, Audiosurf(which BTW, kicks the CRAP out of most of the titles on your list), World in Conflict, Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, RACE 07(better Racing game than PGR 4), ALL of the Sam and Max games that have come out since September, and many other titles don't exist then.... Burnout was pretty good but Army of Two, DMC4, Condemned 2 and VF 5 are all pretty mediocre titles. PGR 4 was decent but not "good." Halo 3 didn't even come close to living up to the hype or expectations and was overall merely good.

Unless you have crap taste in video games, that list isn't impressive at all. Most of the PC's best games are multiplats.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="goddamn_"]

My thoughts on PC vs consoles.

Fall-Winter:

On X360 - Halo 3, PGR 4, VF 5, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, DMC 4, Army of Two, Condemned 2

On PC - Crysis, Witcher.

Mine think PC is useless for games, good for Photoshop though

butteater86

so... Sins of a Solar Empire, Audiosurf(which BTW, kicks the CRAP out of most of the titles on your list), World in Conflict, Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, RACE 07(better Racing game than PGR 4), ALL of the Sam and Max games that have come out since September, and many other titles don't exist then.... Burnout was pretty good but Army of Two, DMC4, Condemned 2 and VF 5 are all pretty mediocre titles. PGR 4 was decent but not "good." Halo 3 didn't even come close to living up to the hype or expectations and was overall merely good.

Unless you have crap taste in video games, that list isn't impressive at all. Most of the PC's best games are multiplats.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="goddamn_"]

My thoughts on PC vs consoles.

Fall-Winter:

On X360 - Halo 3, PGR 4, VF 5, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, DMC 4, Army of Two, Condemned 2

On PC - Crysis, Witcher.

Mine think PC is useless for games, good for Photoshop though

butteater86

so... Sins of a Solar Empire, Audiosurf(which BTW, kicks the CRAP out of most of the titles on your list), World in Conflict, Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, RACE 07(better Racing game than PGR 4), ALL of the Sam and Max games that have come out since September, and many other titles don't exist then.... Burnout was pretty good but Army of Two, DMC4, Condemned 2 and VF 5 are all pretty mediocre titles. PGR 4 was decent but not "good." Halo 3 didn't even come close to living up to the hype or expectations and was overall merely good.

Unless you have crap taste in video games, that list isn't impressive at all. Most of the PC's best games are multiplats.

my list or his?

Because my list has some great strategy games. Forged Alliance is an improvement upon SupCom, Opposing Fronts is an improvement on Company of Heroes, Sins of a Solar Empire is absolutely fantastic(got AAA you know), RACE 07 may not have been the best RACE game but it still blows PGR 4 out of the water. The Sam and Max games are all very good and I highly suggest you play them. World in Conflict was the best strategy game of the last year and got a 9.5 so that doesn't need explaining.... and Audiosurf.... well... that speaks for itself. Then, add in Crysis and the Witcher. compare my list to his list... well... my list wins.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

Bgrngod

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enought to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, thats all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

You sure did dumb that down. 1 gig required, therefor 2 gigs is not enough. Brilliant! Yore mathz is awsum!

Call of Duty 4 is on the Mac? Sorry, not until at least May. Try again.

Anyone with enought since would know it a system required 1g, thats just to run Vista (Only Vista), adding programs will eat up that required 1g so another 1g is for they programs (Office, games) So adding another 1g will satisfy both sides. COMMON SINCE.......TRY AGAIN HOMEBOY

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

CubanBlunt

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enought to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, thats all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

You sure did dumb that down. 1 gig required, therefor 2 gigs is not enough. Brilliant! Yore mathz is awsum!

Call of Duty 4 is on the Mac? Sorry, not until at least May. Try again.

Anyone with enought since would know it a system required 1g, thats just to run Vista (Only Vista), adding programs will eat up that required 1g so another 1g is for they programs (Office, games) So adding another 1g will satisfy both sides. COMMON SINCE.......TRY AGAIN HOMEBOY

Remind me to never hire an "IT" with your spelling abilities and logic.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]You proved my point, with 3g's you dont need to close anything, basically you have to close apps to make it work with 2g's. What would happend if you close those apps with 3g's????horrowhip

those apps are pointless though....

Also, about your beloved Mac. Leopard isn't all that great either you know. Only difference between it and Vista is Vista didn't have a company going on a huge coverup campaign all over the place. That is right, Leopard has just as many issues as Vista but Apple censored reviews and news about it and also had moderators all over the internet deleting forum posts about its numerous issues.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I us computer for work only, if my Office 2007 works, Im good.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]He only bought 2gigs because that is all he needs. 3gigs is overkill, and 4 is even more overkill.

You work in IT but you suggest getting a MAC over what the TC posted as a gaming PC. And what games would you be playing on your MAC gaming rig? Hrm?

neonvzla

Let me dumb it down for you. Vista NEED 1GB OF MEMORY, so you are in the whole 1GB, 2GB is not enought to run a gaming PC with Vista. MAC are built for graphic, thats all I'm gonna say about the MAC. They have Call of Duty 4 on MAC.........Anything else you need schooling on, next class in 10 mins

You sure did dumb that down. 1 gig required, therefor 2 gigs is not enough. Brilliant! Yore mathz is awsum!

Call of Duty 4 is on the Mac? Sorry, not until at least May. Try again.

Anyone with enought since would know it a system required 1g, thats just to run Vista (Only Vista), adding programs will eat up that required 1g so another 1g is for they programs (Office, games) So adding another 1g will satisfy both sides. COMMON SINCE.......TRY AGAIN HOMEBOY

Remind me to never hire an "IT" with your spelling abilities and logic.

I'm not in your area anyway, plus I charge to much.

so... Sins of a Solar Empire, Audiosurf(which BTW, kicks the CRAP out of most of the titles on your list), World in Conflict, Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, RACE 07(better Racing game than PGR 4), ALL of the Sam and Max games that have come out since September, and many other titles don't exist then.... Burnout was pretty good but Army of Two, DMC4, Condemned 2 and VF 5 are all pretty mediocre titles. PGR 4 was decent but not "good." Halo 3 didn't even come close to living up to the hype or expectations and was overall merely good.horrowhip

What? VF 5 is mediocre title? PGR 4 is decent? It's absolutely best in series. Halo 3 didn't even come close to living up to the hype? Never heard anybody hype it 20/10, I guess 9.5 is OK score. :D

Play addons to another RTS and warm up your religion

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]You proved my point, with 3g's you dont need to close anything, basically you have to close apps to make it work with 2g's. What would happend if you close those apps with 3g's????CubanBlunt

those apps are pointless though....

Also, about your beloved Mac. Leopard isn't all that great either you know. Only difference between it and Vista is Vista didn't have a company going on a huge coverup campaign all over the place. That is right, Leopard has just as many issues as Vista but Apple censored reviews and news about it and also had moderators all over the internet deleting forum posts about its numerous issues.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I us computer for work only, if my Office 2007 works, Im good.

Then why the hell are you even discussing this? :S

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]You proved my point, with 3g's you dont need to close anything, basically you have to close apps to make it work with 2g's. What would happend if you close those apps with 3g's????Meu2k7

those apps are pointless though....

Also, about your beloved Mac. Leopard isn't all that great either you know. Only difference between it and Vista is Vista didn't have a company going on a huge coverup campaign all over the place. That is right, Leopard has just as many issues as Vista but Apple censored reviews and news about it and also had moderators all over the internet deleting forum posts about its numerous issues.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I us computer for work only, if my Office 2007 works, Im good.

Then why the hell are you even discussing this? :S

Because I work on PC's and Im trying to help his computer run better.

Amazing posts like these make me wish I had money for a PC.

Good job TC.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]so... Sins of a Solar Empire, Audiosurf(which BTW, kicks the CRAP out of most of the titles on your list), World in Conflict, Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, RACE 07(better Racing game than PGR 4), ALL of the Sam and Max games that have come out since September, and many other titles don't exist then.... Burnout was pretty good but Army of Two, DMC4, Condemned 2 and VF 5 are all pretty mediocre titles. PGR 4 was decent but not "good." Halo 3 didn't even come close to living up to the hype or expectations and was overall merely good.goddamn_

What? VF 5 is mediocre title? PGR 4 is decent? It's absolutely best in series. Halo 3 didn't even come close to living up to the hype? Never heard anybody hype it 20/10, I guess 9.5 is OK score. :D

Play addons to another RTS and warm up your religion

PGR 4 wasn't great(I suppose you could consider it good but don't kid yourself and say it was great). VF 5 was OK at best.... Halo 3's campaign was pretty mediocre and the online is pretty much an unbalanced mess. It is a great game but it doesn't even begin to compare to the other better titles of the last year like Crysis, CoD4, and(for MP) TF2.

Also, those "addons" to those RTS games play so different from each other it is like I am playing a completely different genre. Every single one of them also has more replay value and content than all the games you listed COMBINED.

And if you want to get into other genres, I gave a racing sim that wipes with floor with PGR 4. Crysis demolished Halo 3 in the FPS genre. The Witcher was a better RPG than Mass Effect. DMC 4 was pretty mediocre overall so why did you even list it. Army of Two may have been fun for a while but it was a pretty mediocre game overall. I don't see any Adventure games on consoles so nothing can even compare with Sam and Max. Audiosurf is an infinitely better music game than Rock Band was. Not only that but UT3 was best and will ALWAYS be best on the PC(even if it was a bad game... still better on the PC). CoD4 was better on the PC in every single way. The entire Orange Box was better on the PC. Going back a bit further, Bioshock was better on the PC. So what is your arguement again?

My thoughts on PC vs consoles.

Fall-Winter:

On X360 - Halo 3, PGR 4, VF 5, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, DMC 4, Army of Two, Condemned 2. Next month - GTA 4. June - Ninja Gaiden 2. Spring - Battlefield Bad Company.

On PC - Crysis, Witcher.

Mine think PC is useless for games, good for Photoshop though

goddamn_

Just the last few months, add: Sins of a Solar Empire, World in Conflict, Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts, STALKER, and many more. PC's getting an enhanced version of Mass Effect and DMC 4.

goddamn_, just drop your ridiculous arguments before you become the next wok7

PGR 4 wasn't great(I suppose you could consider it good but don't kid yourself and say it was great). VF 5 was OK at best.... Halo 3's campaign was pretty mediocre and the online is pretty much an unbalanced mess. It is a great game but it doesn't even begin to compare to the other better titles of the last year like Crysis, CoD4, and(for MP) TF2.horrowhip

OK, looks like our tastes are totally different. I consider COD 4 as a casual trash and the worst shooter ever made (if you of course consider this game as a shooter, I don't)

wow amazing thread, all the things i wanted to say but CBAed i too loved building my pc, so much so that 2 weeks later i compleatly dissasembled it and re-asmbled it (im not that bigger loser i was showing a friend how to build his) i don't have quite as much cash as you though so i own a 9600GT at mo but it is better for HD (my pc is used for multimedia)

nice rig, might get something on that level when the 10 series comes out or something

Not only that but UT3 was best and will ALWAYS be best on the PC(even if it was a bad game... still better on the PC

horrowhip

Sorry, stoped playing UT at UT 2003. Pretty boring

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]PGR 4 wasn't great(I suppose you could consider it good but don't kid yourself and say it was great). VF 5 was OK at best.... Halo 3's campaign was pretty mediocre and the online is pretty much an unbalanced mess. It is a great game but it doesn't even begin to compare to the other better titles of the last year like Crysis, CoD4, and(for MP) TF2.goddamn_

OK, looks like our tastes are totally different. I consider COD 4 as a casual trash and the worst shooter ever made (if you of course consider this game as a shooter, I don't)

I personally don't find CoD4 to be all that great. TF2, Crysis and STALKER all wipe the floor with it but CoD4 was still better than Halo 3. The campaign was short in both games but at least CoD4 was intense through the entire campaign. Anyone who says that nearly half the levels in Halo 3 didn't overstay their welcome is lying. It also seemed to like repeating itself over and over again... Some of the levels recycled rooms and the Scarab battles didn't need to happen 3 times...

To be quite honest, I judge most games by their SP campaign. And Halo 3 failed miserably at the SP, and the MP while entertaining for a LITTLE while was fairly unbalanced and overpopulated with annoying kids who won't shut up. So... like I said, Halo 3 was full of fail to me.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Not only that but UT3 was best and will ALWAYS be best on the PC(even if it was a bad game... still better on the PC

goddamn_

Sorry, stoped playing UT at UT 2003. Pretty boring

2K4 was the best one IMO. UT3 was pretty poor.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Not only that but UT3 was best and will ALWAYS be best on the PC(even if it was a bad game... still better on the PC

goddamn_

Sorry, stoped playing UT at UT 2003. Pretty boring

1. 2GB ram is sufficient for any game at the moment (unless your runninga a virus scan or something)

2. the mac i s crap for gaming, and for games in general

3. the pc's games library is massive, only halo3 forza and pgr4 worth oplaying not on it (maybe some others like tekken 5 CBA listing)

but CoD4 was still better than Halo 3. horrowhip

Cause there is no any sign of AI in COD 4? Or because game scripted to death and with endless enemies you just run from trigger to trigger not bother with enemies at all? Probably because the whole COD 4 is one corridor and nothing depends on you? That's why COD 4 is better Halo 3?

I agree though that COD 4 has a lot of intensity, the stupidity in this game is so deep and intense, that it easily won the most dumb shooter of all times. I never saw any where I pass level by level on veteran and not even shooting.

UT 04 was realy good, i still play it to this day, can i add my voice to the people who are sane ok here are some points

thegoldenpoo

Question of preference. I like intense deathmatch like Q3 or tactical action like Raven Shield/GRAW. UT doesn't fit to this.

Besides I consider original UT as the best

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]but CoD4 was still better than Halo 3. goddamn_

Cause there is no any sign of AI in COD 4? Or because game scripted to death and with endless enemies you just run from trigger to trigger not bother with enemies at all? Probably because the whole COD 4 is one corridor and nothing depends on you? That's why COD 4 is better Halo 3?

I agree though that COD 4 has a lot of intensity, the stupidity in this game is so deep and intense, that it easily won the most dumb shooter of all times. I never saw any where I pass level by level on veteran and not even shooting.

cod4 has AI. good AI
thegoldenpoo

Never had. Sometimes I intertaned myself just point the gun at one point and shooting every 3 seconds in COD 2 killing one enemy every time. When you kill endless enemy, another one appear following exactly same way and with exactly same animation. Forever.

I stopped at number 115 :D

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I agree with all of your points.

Though PC gaming is a bit more expensive, in the long run it is cheaper or about the same. I also believe if you know what you are doing with your PC, your gaming experiance is going to be much greater with a PC than a console.

For example I play an indie game Mount and Blade and recently downloaded a user made mod that replaced the textures. It made the game 100x better for me. Cant do that on a console.

hellhund

I think mods/maps like that are the single greatest part about gaming on a PC. For pretty much any game, there's something that can be downloaded to augment your experience.

Yea I just buily my first pc in A WHILE and didn't realize how much mods can add to a game. I can go back to KOTOR for example and get hours upon hours more of gameplay due to mods of new planets, quests and NPCs.

nice post although i disagree about the games are better than pc. i didnt enjoy crysis as much as others did.Arjdagr8

Yeah... I liked it but Crysis required too much initiative for your regular audience.

WHat i think, if you have a 360, you have no need for a PC, unless you absolutly must play Crysissaolin323

Most 360 games go on PC

PC has a better library. Much better.

Crysis isn't the only game we have. Please tell me when you see Sins of a Solar Empire. Rome: Total War, Audiosurf, STALKER, Witcher, or GTR2 on 360.

[QUOTE="saolin323"]WHat i think, if you have a 360, you have no need for a PC, unless you absolutly must play Crysismo0ksi

Most 360 games go on PC

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Come on hermits...you're supposed to be the brightest of the fanbases.

I had no idea 'most 360 games' were comprised of Gears of War and Mass effect.