Bungie: Destiny 2...30FPS on X1X to ensure “the best social action game experience”

New motto: Phil lied, lemmings cried.

True 4k Jaguar power.

I love how you speak for everyone, remember how you told everyone that ALL Xbox gamers hate Japanese games. Dude you are so full of shit. You should stick to what you like and stop pretending you know what everyone else likes/dislikes as you look like a fool.

Stop being such a dude bro.

So much salt from a cow alt.

If you didn't care about any of this you wouldn't feel obligated to come into these threads to propagate lies and misinformation. You can stay involved in the discussion but if you're flat out going to be making shit up don't even bother.

The only people shit posting on this board especially since E3 has been cows, and you're playing the part really well.

For every chart or graph posted this games FPS will go up by 1%

No, but you and you're over the top statements suggests that maybe you are. Like I said speak for yourself, and all that has been heard from cows since 2014 is everything you stated they don't do. As much as you claim not to be a cow, you act like one every time you post bs like the above.

It's time to stop talking out of your arse mr dude bro.

Understandable, but lame. They are close to launch so it's a super busy time for them, so I understand that they aren't focused on the OneX currently to get it to 4K. They might include it when they do the last part for PC

I bought a PS4 Pro for PS4 exclusives and PSVR optimization. Sony never lied to me that I was gonna get high-end PC performance from it. They told me it would enhance my PSVR and image quality in my existing PS4 games and that's why I bought it. When I want better performance and visuals I run to my PC.

Don't be mad Phil lied to you about your XboneX having a potato CPU. It seems the only thing they invested in was the GPU and hoped that would be enough. It obviously failed and you're now butthurt. MS fed you garbage marketing and lied you would get 4K native games on a $500 machine with no compromise and you believed them. The same way they lied to you clowns about Cloud Power. I still remember some of your lem brethren saying XboneX would deliver greater performance than a GTX 1070 equipped PC lol and I remember telling them that they would be sorely disappointed.

"Highest quality pixels"

"No compromises"

"True 4K visuals without sacrificing quality"

? Bunch of horseshit marketing. The console isn't even out yet and there are already checkerboard games and Destiny 2 runs at 30fps on it.

They used to spam CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE for why their games are at 30fps. Now it's SOCIAL EXPERIENCE.

It's pretty funny how the change of excuse coincides with the toxic trends in gaming.

Anyone that thinks it will be 4k on pspro but not on xbox x is a f... idiot. If it doesn't bungie need a slap and should hang there heads in shame for being corporate sell outs.

It's easy to drop a tweet claiming equality but time will tell.

How can they control what Bungie and Activision do with THEIR game?

Bungie also held back the PS4 version of Destiny because of Xbox One..........so they have a history.

No where in the article does it say that it CANT run at 4k (Native) or 60fps, just says they chose not to.

After watching the digital foundry PC video, i think the Pro version could probably run higher than 30 as well but they chose to lock it, which is great because of you cant reach a steady 60, 30 is better than a variable frame rate (on consoles)

You said Sony was not going to release an updated console, they did and you bought it. You said you wouldn't buy PSVR if it was over $400, that it would be DOA and suicide for Sony, it was $500, you still bought it and you fanboy for it like there's no tomorrow. The point still being is that you still buy and play multiplatform games on this system, you still talk shit about performance in multiplatform games when they under-deliver on Xbox One.

Now a console comes into the fray which handily trumps the PlayStation 4 Pro and you continue to bad mouth it, you bad mouth it when it's going to slaughter this other system that you own, play and buy multiplatform games on, and still you talk shit even though it will be outperforming it.

I think the problem is not the messaging, it's that you guys intentionally take things out of context and don't actually bother to take in all information and process it as a whole.

They've said since the beginning that developers can do whatever they want with their games and this systems power, nothing is mandated, it's all choice. So take for example something like Origins or Anthem, they've drastically pushed the graphical states up in these games well above what would be seen on a PlayStation 4 or Xbox One, and in doing so obviously they would be incapable of rendering at 4K. So to counter these increases in fidelity they change the rendering methodology to still produce a close to UHD appearance while at the same time being able to have their games look comparable to something on a high end PC.

Microsoft said their games would be native 4K, and they have not lied, they said nothing for anyone else. Look at Forza 7, it's not only native 4K, it's the best looking Forza game to date which means that quality was not only not sacrificed, it was increased.

You're just simply out of touch.

? Get out of here you clown. Starting price for PSVR was $399 and that's what I bought it at. It's $499 if you want the camera and move bundle which I didn't need since I already owned a camera and move before the PSVR launched. Next time do your research before making shit claims. I made the claims about Sony not releasing an updated console when the Pro was still a rumor. I was wrong and eventually bought it because it suited my PSVR needs and that's different from the bullshit claims you lems made about the X1X after MS announced it last year.

MS lied about the XboneX calling it a "True 4K console" and even going as far as to say this week that they don't consider the PS4 Pro competition because the Pro doesn't do Native 4K games (which is a lie) only for them to still upscale games and checkerboard just like the PS4 Pro.

So far we've seen more checkerboard AAA games on the X1X than 4K Native games like they promised. The only Native 4K AAA game running on the XBoneX so far has been Forza 7.

Face it NyaDC, the whole "True 4K without compromises" thing was a lie just like Power of the Cloud was also a lie.

It's $399 for the headset alone, too bad for you you not only can't use the headset without the camera, some game require the move controllers so regardless you are in $500 or above for functionality. Also I somehow doubt you had them before PSVR... It's a $500 platform no matter what you say, that's a fact.

Microsoft is going to be rendering their games in "True 4K" (native), so it's not a lie, not by any stretch of the imagination because they are only responsible for what their developers do. The capabilities for this system to deliver native 4K AAA gaming experiences are clearly there, that doesn't mean that third parties have to make use of the system in this same capacity that Microsoft is as has been highlighted ad nauseam.

If a developer wants to render at native 4K using more typical console settings+ that is up to them, if they want to push up the graphics to PC levels and checkerboard instead to get the best of both worlds, that is also up to them. It seems that most developers so far with this system are shooting for the latter and not the former, not because they can't, because it's a choice, they have a choice with this system, they don't with the PlayStation 4 Pro.

How do you not understand this?

The power of the cloud was a lie? Really?

No NyaDamageControl you were wrong and proven wrong. It's a $399 device and that's what I bought it for, stop trying to move goal posts. Most of the PSVR games work fine with the Dualshock controllers and you don't need Move. In fact, the only game I've ever used my Move controllers with was the Star Trek Bridge Crew game and it isn't even a requirement with it. As for the camera a lot of PS4 owners bought cameras at launch and they have been immensely popular due to streaming. The bundle is still optional and is in no way a requirement like you claim.

"4K console with no compromises" means exactly what it says. You lems can't change the meaning of the word "compromise" to suit your fanboy agendas. Since they are checkerboarding that is a compromise in itself. 30fps is also another compromise.

Face it Nya, MS lied to you guys with that hype reveal announcement and you guys ran with it for a year only for reality to come crashing down now that we've seen the console. The fact that X1X requires checkerboarding means it isn't a "True 4K console without compromises" like MS said originally. It's nothing but a mid-gen upgrade for the Bone just like the Pro is for the PS4.

Nah it's the weak ass CPU

Cows cried so many salty tears about "Parity" when AC came out. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's all about the " XBX is weak, with a crap cpu".

Doesn't matter. Destiny 2 will play, look, and have better online on the XBX vs the PS Pro. Cows really can't win.

*cancels preorder

Probably because it's a CPU limitation. Increasing the resolution will put more load on the GPU, but it'll still be at 30FPS so physics/AI and other CPU bound calculations will still only be updated at 30hz.

I'm going to separate these things a bit.

It's $500 at a minimum to fully use PSVR, $400 for the head unit, $40 for the camera, $80 for the move controllers which if bought separately equates to $520. It doesn't matter if you had this shit before hand you said it would be suicide for Sony and DOA if it was above $400, it's $500, to fully use the thing you need to buy at least $500 worth of stuff from Sony on top of the console, end of discussion, the absolute end, you cannot get around this, it's inarguable, it's one of the easiest verifiable facts one could ever present.

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I think the problem is not the messaging, it's that you guys intentionally take things out of context and don't actually bother to take in all information and process it as a whole.

As I said, you're looking at one thing without looking at another, you're intentionally being obtuse, you're intentionally acting as if Microsoft didn't say things and then also say other things in conjunction with that for context because you're a bleeding heart fanboy. Microsoft said their system was a True 4K console, they said that, they absolutely did. What is Microsoft doing with their games? Native 4K or "True 4K", that alone means they're living up to what they said. Now what did Microsoft also say additionally to this?

“Developers are free to choose how they use the power of Project Scorpio for games. We have no requirements limiting framerate or fidelity”.

You're ignorantly saying this console "requires" checkerboarding instead of looking at it as a development choice because for you it's a convenient and low ball way to fling shit, foolish and ignorant though nonetheless. The PlayStation 4 Pro has no chance of rendering a game such as Assassin's Creed Origins at native 4K with typical console settings, it's simply not possible, for that system checkerboarding would be a requirement, they have no other development choice. For Xbox One X its GPU surplus is no doubt adequate enough to handle the game at console settings in native 4K, one simply needs to look at a 390X in Syndicate to see this. Instead of taking the native 4K route, the developer has options, they can choose how they want to approach their development for the game.

Instead of pushing for native 4K at a lower graphical state, they can instead choose to push the graphical settings up to that of what would be expected on a gaming PC and to mitigate this for the performance hit; they introduce checkerboard rendering. That's a choice, it's an optional decision given the capabilities of the console and a developers ability to make alternate decisions on how to approach the development of their game for the platform. It's not that they can't do native 4K, they're not making a compromise for what we've been accustomed to with console graphical fidelity, they could do that in 4K, they're simply pushing well beyond that to arrive at a different place and as such per their decision to push the envelope they have to use alternative rendering methods.

You're lost in the woods kiddo, from now on when you decide to post ignorance like the above you're getting automated posts, I'm no longer devoting more time than I need to for something that only needs to be said once.

You guys still at it?

Lots of bromance going on.

This just proves how outdated the CPU in the X1X and Pro are. No amount of turboing an CPU that is weaker than an AMD FX chip is going to fix that. Until next gen systems are announced with a Ryzen variant with comparable 4k 60FPS is a pipe dream on consoles.

Gotta love the PR bullsh*t developers come up with...

Yup kinda got it running means it's running but not in an ideal shape. This is the same thing Bungie is doing. They'll work on it for real after they release on other platforms.

If you remember when the first game was made, parity between consoles was a huge focus of Bungie, not only that, but they wanted the XB1/PS4 versions to be as identical as possible to their X360/PS3 versions, they didn't want players on either platform feeling like either version was inferior to any other. I don't think this will be any different, with exception to giving PC players 60FPS, because you just know they'd scream bloody murder if that got capped at 30FPS.

@lamprey263: It's unlocked on pc. Not set to 60fps lol.

Meh. I'm fine with this myself.

That's one way to **** up the game's name, lol.