Bungie is laughable...

Bungie is well known to the PC gaming community. That have an awesome reputation. But after they got bought by MS, I really don't know. Maybe they should have stay independent.gamenux

Oh, sorry if this is a double post, but right now, Bungie's reputation with the PC community is slipping... fast. The dated releases of Halo's on the PC aren't sitting too well with PC-goers.

Does co-op really matter all that much?Unforgiven2870

Now, that is what I call extreme damage control. What a thing to say if you own an Xbox 360 :lol:

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]Does co-op really matter all that much?Sacred-Snow

Lets just say that if Bungie could make it work, we would witness the virtual cries of fanboys across system wars, screaming 'Halo 3 online co-op, Halo 3 is better then ever' but until then, it doesn't matter...

They aren't nearly as good of developers as people hold them to be but that's just stupid to mention.

I find this little tid bit of news really quite funny. Bungie is supposed to be this UBER developer and yet they cannot get Online Co-Op to work on Halo 3. Yet, EPIC seems to have no issue whatsoever as they did it with Gears and will have 4 player online Co-Op for UT 3!!!

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-52829.aspx

kungfuchaos

Its because with Halo 3's roam free environment (can go miles with no limitations or invisible walls), a player can be in a warthog and the other stuck in battle 2-3 miles away. Thats the issue right now.

You kids need to grow up. Too immature here. "Bungie is teh suckzz becausee they are havvingz problemszz!!"

Epic's online coop in Gears is pitiful for one reason: When YOU'RE the host, if the GUEST quits, you're kicked out of the game.

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]Does co-op really matter all that much?psyko7144

Yes, it is a staple of the Halo experience. IMO, they really have dropped the ball on this one. Even EA is getting there stuff together and not just rehashing. Thats what Halo 3 is, a situation of a developer just cashing in.

Like i said, this forum is just too immature. You know this because you worked for Bungie, right? Stop make hate assumptions, you look stupid

If you've actually listened to bungie... you would know why they can't do it.

The levels on Halo are huge. Bungie has said that there could be on person running around aimlessly while there is a warthog full of other people miles away. This would cause huge connection problems. Try playing Crackdown. Everytime me and a friend are on 2 different islands our connection starts lagging.

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]Does co-op really matter all that much?dream431ca

Now, that is what I call extreme damage control. What a thing to say if you own an Xbox 360 :lol:

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[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]Does co-op really matter all that much?Unforgiven2870

Now, that is what I call extreme damage control. What a thing to say if you own an Xbox 360 :lol:

Now thats what happens when you dont own a 360! ^^ :lol:

Person: Halo is going to be sub-par/bad/suck because of *insert valid reason here*.

Lemm: Who cares? It's gonna sell.

Me: Guess you accept the Wii's domination, then?

I find this little tid bit of news really quite funny. Bungie is supposed to be this UBER developer and yet they cannot get Online Co-Op to work on Halo 3. Yet, EPIC seems to have no issue whatsoever as they did it with Gears and will have 4 player online Co-Op for UT 3!!!

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-52829.aspx

kungfuchaos

OMG - the moronic fanboys are running rampant tonight - Have you EVER played either game (Gears, Halo 1, or Halo 2)??? You can easily pull off co-op in Gears - the maps are smaller, Epic riddles the maps with "blockers" (boxes, locked doors, etc.) where you CAN'T proceed until you complete an objective, there are NO vehicles (don't call out the one vehicle segment - you weren't able to enter/exit as you wish), etc. Much easier.

That being said, YES, Bungie should be able to get co-op to work. I can see how having giant maps, vehicles, etc. can really hinder a game that has battles taking place as you enter certain areas, story elements happening, etc.

You may say that Crackdown was able to do co-op with no problem, but that game didn't have cutscenes and story elements to it. Just a giant sandbox with tons of enemies.

Still, Bungie should be able to do this - they just may need to borrow some tricks from Epic in order to pull it off (block off areas of maps, etc.).

meh I will still have lots of fun playing it.

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[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]Does co-op really matter all that much?Unforgiven2870

Now, that is what I call extreme damage control. What a thing to say if you own an Xbox 360 :lol:

Because the 360 is known for it's co-op. It's just hard to imagine someone who owns a 360 would say a thing like that. Of course Co-op matters! It's one of the greatest things to ever come to gaming..and by the way I do own a 360..and I really want co-op in Halo 3.

I find this little tid bit of news really quite funny. Bungie is supposed to be this UBER developer and yet they cannot get Online Co-Op to work on Halo 3. Yet, EPIC seems to have no issue whatsoever as they did it with Gears and will have 4 player online Co-Op for UT 3!!!

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-52829.aspx

kungfuchaos

Gears has small linear levels consisting mainly of corridors and small enclosed areas:| Halo 3 is the complete opposite. Thread phail.

This is ridiculous. Online Co-op is a must have these days. What's even more sad, is that Xbots are in denial about Halo 3 probably not having it.

What do you think made Gears of War and R6: Vegas so much fun? Online Co-op.

What makes most games fun? Online Co-op, and with the "innovation" of Xbox Live, every FPS should have it.

Resistance received alot of criticism for not having online co-op; and I totally agree, Resistance would have been SO much better with online co-op.

This is VERY bad news--and is undoubtedly disappointing.

This is ridiculous. Online Co-op is a must have these days. What's even more sad, is that Xbots are in denial about Halo 3 probably not having it.

What do you think made Gears of War and R6: Vegas so much fun? Online Co-op.

What makes most games fun? Online Co-op, and with the "innovation" of Xbox Live, every FPS should have it.

Resistance received alot of criticism for not having online co-op; and I totally agree, Resistance would have been SO much better with online co-op.

This is VERY bad news--and is undoubtedly disappointing.

TrueReligion_

Absolutley. Co-op is a great addition to a FPS game. It gives you a reason to play it again. Resistance would have been fantastic with co-op. Halo 3 will stil be fun online, but without co-op....it's really not Halo anymore.

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]Does co-op really matter all that much?dream431ca

Now, that is what I call extreme damage control. What a thing to say if you own an Xbox 360 :lol:

Because the 360 is known for it's co-op. It's just hard to imagine someone who owns a 360 would say a thing like that. Of course Co-op matters! It's one of the greatest things to ever come to gaming..and by the way I do own a 360..and I really want co-op in Halo 3.

This is ridiculous. Online Co-op is a must have these days. What's even more sad, is that Xbots are in denial about Halo 3 probably not having it.

What do you think made Gears of War and R6: Vegas so much fun? Online Co-op.

What makes most games fun? Online Co-op, and with the "innovation" of Xbox Live, every FPS should have it.

Resistance received alot of criticism for not having online co-op; and I totally agree, Resistance would have been SO much better with online co-op.

This is VERY bad news--and is undoubtedly disappointing.

TrueReligion_

True that! The reason I picked up Gears of War and Vegas were because they had Co-op.

It's expected these days. I don't care how big your game is, they better pull it off. Halo 3 is awesome and I'll still buy it, but it better atleast have system link co-op!

The importance of co-op is huge. I'm not even going to take another look at Kane & Lynch, ever since I found out it was only co-op split screen. Sorry, but no sale. It's too bad because I was looking forward to a little K&L.:(

"We know that people want it and we're trying to make it happen. I think the biggest problem for us for online co-op is that we have a situation where you can be in a Warthog with five troops, almost a mile away from the other player. That's a significant challenge. And there's lots of design things you could do to prevent that from happening, but they would make it not feel like Halo anymore. If we can make it happen in a way that works well, we will - and if it works badly, we won't."

No, they're not dumb.

hmm sounds like they are having problems because of the scale of the stages guess its like doing GTA online with bothe players being able to go and do what the want seperate from each other.Gen007

I could do that all day in Crackdown! We would be miles apart causing all kinds of chaos. Virtually no lag, but Bungie can't do it?

The biggest reason has to be distance and cut scene timing, but get it done.

[QUOTE="Gen007"]hmm sounds like they are having problems because of the scale of the stages guess its like doing GTA online with bothe players being able to go and do what the want seperate from each other.Spartanx23

I could do that all day in Crackdown! We would be miles apart causing all kinds of chaos. Virtually no lag, but Bungie can't do it?

The biggest reason has to be distance and cut scene timing, but get it done.

You dont know how big Halo 3 levels are. Not to mention, there could be alot more going on in Halo 3 than in Crackdown, so comparing them at this stage is lame.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]Does co-op really matter all that much?Unforgiven2870

Now, that is what I call extreme damage control. What a thing to say if you own an Xbox 360 :lol:

Because the 360 is known for it's co-op. It's just hard to imagine someone who owns a 360 would say a thing like that. Of course Co-op matters! It's one of the greatest things to ever come to gaming..and by the way I do own a 360..and I really want co-op in Halo 3.

Aw man that sucks. To each his own :) I found Co-op to be pretty fun, but I also like team vs team gameplay. What do you play now for online play?

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]Does co-op really matter all that much?Kahuna_1

Resistance lost points because it lacked online co-op...I guess it matters more with todays FPS standards.

I was going to say the same thing. Resistence got laid into because it didn't have it. This should be mandatory in today's FPS games.

Well, to all of you asking why this is a big deal, the resons are two-fold:

Halo: CE and Halo 2's Co-op modes doubled your enjoyment of the game. They were superbly done, and the game was so much more fun playing with a friend at your side. Obviously, we all would have loved to have Halo 2 co-op online, but that didn't happen. Now that Bungie has more experience working with online consoles, and the 360's online infrastructure is much stronger, this does not seem like it should be too hard to implement. I think many people were expecting this, and that's a great disappointment, because while the multi-player component is awesome, Halo's singleplayer is also exceptional. Being able to play that online would be amazing.

Also, seeing as Halo 3 doesn't evole the formula much from Halo 2, I think people are expecting Halo 3 to have something big to differentiate it. Something brand new they can sink their teeth into; from what we've seen, I don't think Bungie has delivered on that yet. To be honest, Halo 3 looks like a super-charged version of Halo 2 to me, landing somewhere between an expansion pack and a brand new game [I haven't been following it that closely, but that's the vibe I get]. However, online co-op would be an amazing feature that would truly set Halo 3 apart from Halo 2.

We've seen it done before to great effect with other games, and I think we all know that Halo 3 would be truly amazing with online co-op. It may happen, it may not, we'll have to wait and see.

However, if the content doesn't make it into the retail package, I can garauntee they'll put it on the marketplace and milk it. Which will piss off a great deal of people, so I sincerely hope online co-op makes it into the retail game. Because I hate microtranactions with the burning passion of one-thousand firey suns.

Not final, can be added, etc.

Online co-op would be nice. I don't get why everyone is all "Pft I don't like teh online coop" ....

Rumble pit ftw.. thats all i care aboutazell07

Rumble Pit is crap.

Not final, can be added, etc.

Online co-op would be nice. I don't get why everyone is all "Pft I don't like teh online coop" ....

_en1gma_

Its a very samll form of damage control, I just think people are making not having online co-op in Halo a bigger deal than it really is. I wonder how many people that bash would even buy the game if it was included?

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Not final, can be added, etc.

Online co-op would be nice. I don't get why everyone is all "Pft I don't like teh online coop" ....

Minion123

Its a very samll form of damage control, I just think people are making not having online co-op in Halo a bigger deal than it really is. I wonder how many people that bash would even buy the game if it was included?

Yep.

btw, nice PC. :)

Not final, can be added, etc.

Online co-op would be nice. I don't get why everyone is all "Pft I don't like teh online coop" ....

_en1gma_

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Not final, can be added, etc.

Online co-op would be nice. I don't get why everyone is all "Pft I don't like teh online coop" ....

jg4xchamp

I hope Halo 3 has online co-op.

If people were Halo fans they should love to have and want online co-op...

I see what you are saying, but no one should shrug off the option and act like they don't care if it doesn't make it in the final game. I want teh online co-op!

Don't you mean Bungie is highly successful and highly praised by other devs, fans and the media?

Also, there is no confimation that it won't be in the game, hold your horses...

Spartan070

bungie isnt taht successful aside from their sales of the halo franchise. halo 1 was a pretty awesome game, good achievement for them but it wouldnt have been so well received if it wasnt one of the xbox's earliest titles (launch title? idr) halo 2 was absolute crap, they didnt try taht hard cuz they knew it would sell and i have the same feeling for halo 3, ill rent first and if its like halo 2 then i definitely wont get it other than halo what has bungie done that is great?

Does co-op really matter all that much?Unforgiven2870