Bungie's Ex Christian Allen: Killzone 2 could easily be done on the 360

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#151 def_mode
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[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Then why hasn't it been done yet?yowhoayoyo
seriously no bs, no trolling the average killzone2 wall texture is no better than halo combat evolved 2001.

sigh, get a ps3 and see it for urself.
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#152 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Then why hasn't it been done yet?NAPK1NS
A lot of reasons come to my mind.
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#153 yowhoayoyo
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halo ost will own killzone2's graphics even using halo 2 engine a engine not even built for xbox360 hardware. reason i think they kept the halo 2 engine for halo 3 instead of making new engine for halo 3 because the engine seemed alittle much for original xbox. but the engine seems it's not good enough for 360 either lol.
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#154 def_mode
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[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Then why hasn't it been done yet?IronBass
A lot of reasons come to my mind.

because bungie is not about graphics! yea yea theres always an excuse for everything
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#155 yowhoayoyo
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[QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"][QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Then why hasn't it been done yet?def_mode
seriously no bs, no trolling the average killzone2 wall texture is no better than halo combat evolved 2001.

sigh, get a ps3 and see it for urself.

i seen framebuffer grabs average 2001 textures all over the place, with only a few impressive ground textures here and there.
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#156 def_mode
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[QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"][QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"] seriously no bs, no trolling the average killzone2 wall texture is no better than halo combat evolved 2001.

sigh, get a ps3 and see it for urself.

i seen framebuffer grabs average 2001 textures all over the place, with only a few impressive ground textures here and there.

ill start ignoring your fanboy comments.
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#157 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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yea yea theres always an excuse for everythingdef_mode
I'm not sure if, after what they have done, Bungie needs an "excuse" for anything.
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#158 yowhoayoyo
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[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"][QUOTE="def_mode"] sigh, get a ps3 and see it for urself.

i seen framebuffer grabs average 2001 textures all over the place, with only a few impressive ground textures here and there.

ill start ignoring your fanboy comments.

www.gameanyone.com every level beat on video i seen tons and tons of average flat last gen textures. i seen every multiplayer map 10 minutes of gameplay a piece. the game looks pretty cool atsmopherically, but it's not that great graphically. the company cant compete with bungie's texture artist no way no matter how you spin it.
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#159 yowhoayoyo
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Straight up people you know what impressed me about halo combat evolved when i bought it the day it was released ? It wasnt the gameplay , that actually sucked compared to quake 2 a game i had been playing before that, but halo combat evolve's graphics mainly texture work was amazing the graphics was the best part of the game. bungie never really took time to detail their human models, but killzone2 overall having better textures than halo 3? hell no.
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#160 walkingdream
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[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"]bungie knows graphics dude,trust me if halo 3 would of had their engine built only for xbox360 if they made a halo 3 engine definitely would of destroyed killzone2. Because right now killzone2 doesnt even really beat halo 3 using halo 2 engine, it wins at models about it.

sigh, KZ2 is way better than Halo3 in terms of graphics.

Definitely.... but i just want to point out that Halo 3's environments are much much bigger than kz2 Just thought i would add that
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#161 beekayjay
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You know the actual interview with Allen was more mature, neutral and balanced than the yahoos who are rallying behind it as some kind of anti PS3 statement. It was actually a very good interview; very professionally spoken and not at all biased towards one platform or another, at east not as much as this thread would suggest. Wise up.
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#162 walkingdream
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[QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"]halo ost will own killzone2's graphics even using halo 2 engine a engine not even built for xbox360 hardware. reason i think they kept the halo 2 engine for halo 3 instead of making new engine for halo 3 because the engine seemed alittle much for original xbox. but the engine seems it's not good enough for 360 either lol.

Please dont say that....odst will not kill kz2 in any shape of form...it's an expansion of Halo 3! i think the peter jackson project will be pretty good graphicly if it' ever released...
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#163 yowhoayoyo
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[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"]halo ost will own killzone2's graphics even using halo 2 engine a engine not even built for xbox360 hardware. reason i think they kept the halo 2 engine for halo 3 instead of making new engine for halo 3 because the engine seemed alittle much for original xbox. but the engine seems it's not good enough for 360 either lol.

Please dont say that....odst will not kill kz2 in any shape of form...it's an expansion of Halo 3! i think the peter jackson project will be pretty good graphicly if it' ever released...

halo 3's world/level texture work is overall better than killzone2's. halo 3 ost will only be better lol, if they improved models lol peace killzone2 in all aspects.
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#164 FlyingArmbar
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[QUOTE="thetruespin"]wow... a developer that is closely affiliated with Microsoft says Killzone 2 is possible on Micosoft's console.... just amazing. Seriously guys, it doesn't get much more biassed than this. And if the 360 is so powerful, what the hell happened to Halo 3?? sub HD and awful animation...

Awful animation? Looks fine to me. Nice smooth reloads, and pretty good character movements. Who cares if he worked for Bungie, he makes games for the PS3 now. Even if he didn't, he has more credibility in this matter than the PS3 fanboys on this forum who go "the 360's too old, it can't make better looking games". He actually knows what he's talking about rather than spouting bs like the hardcore fanboys in SW. Why don't you wait 4 or 5 months for the Xbox 360 to get a big game instead of comparing a game that was released recently to Halo 3 which is about a year and a half old. Gears 2 is about 5 months old and it's not that far behind KZ2, in fact quite comparison screens I've seen have gears 2 looking better. If Gears 2 is about on par with KZ2 by many peoples standards. It's not hard to believe that the 360 will get a game that matches, or quite likely surpasses KZ2 somewhere down the line.
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#165 beekayjay
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I have to disagree on one point: there was a thread on here not too long ago linking a lens of truth youtube video comparison between Gears 2 and KZ2, and the latter came out the clear winner by a significant margin. Gears employed a lot of the same effects but it just seemed more polished on KZ2, particularly the lighting and particle effects. ' However I agree with the core of your statement: as good as KZ2 is, it does not prove that the 360 is not capable of doing something just as good. The 360 has a killer GPU and ram to store larger texture sizes. It has also proven that it can handle deferred lighting pipelines just as easily. The only shortcoming maybe in its handling of particle effects, AI and realtime physics, since the PS3 can rely on its SPUs to share the workload for these types of processes while the 360 can only distribute the workload across the CPU and GPU. But I believe the 360 can and will come up with a title to challenge KZ2. Its just a matter of time.
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#166 yowhoayoyo
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See i told you bungie is pretty good at textures look at the wall texture on the left looks pretty damn good. http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/images/0/50/?full_size=1 lol now show me better wall texture in killzone2.
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#167 halo_wars86
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Link

Says the 360 is a great system to develop for and that Killzone 2 could easily be done on 360 given guerilla's cooperation.

Interesting read actually.

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it think both mgs4 and killzone 2 can work on the 360. 360 and ps3 are practicallly equal in power i truely barely see any graphical difference in my both consoles but the bluray is what set ps3 and 360 apart. mgs4 50gb killzone 2 35 gb they can work on 360 but with 5 dual dvd. i truelly think it is a BIG let down to have a killzone in 4 dvds or a mgs4 in 5 dvd that will seriously kill the game big time.

i trully believe the ps3 is the more powerful system and am looking forward to playing ngs2 and gow3 on it more than any games coming soon but still i love my game collection on the 360 and love my xbl arcade game collection and the way they are listed on my dashboard along with my achievments. the green dashboards with the avatars there is something about the 360 that keeps me going back to it for more and more tho paying for online is really pissing me off cause it is free on my ps3.

but i truely believe to get the full this gen game experience u need both the 360 and ps3 and i am specialy proud that in many years i NEVER got the error prob in 360 nor did i get the rrod.

soon the 360 will release the motion sensor controller and will get games similar to the wii. also both 360 and ps3 will start having 3d games in 2010.

either way killzone 2 was released by sony it will not go to the 360. same goes for halo it can easily be running on a ps3 but it will never happen.

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#168 wooooode
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I am not going to doubt it could be but if they want to talk why does Halo 3 not look even close to as good as KZ2.
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#169 killerfist
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[QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"][QUOTE="def_mode"]

if thats the case then why not make a game on par with killzone2?

def_mode
they just havent.

then why talk if they "havent"?

To point out that it's possible IF? Maybe they focused on other things? Dunno, I'm just spitballing here.
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#170 NAPK1NS
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[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Then why hasn't it been done yet?yowhoayoyo
seriously no bs, no trolling the average killzone2 wall texture is no better than halo combat evolved 2001.

I'm just surprised you came up with a wall texture average. Sounds complicated. Seriously, no BS, I have played both games and your average is wrong.
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#171 yowhoayoyo
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I am not going to doubt it could be but if they want to talk why does Halo 3 not look even close to as good as KZ2.wooooode
halo 3's texture work is better. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/images/0/126/?full_size=1 killzone2 single player^^^ http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/images/0/50/?full_size=1 halo 3 multiplayer ^^^ lol the halo 3 shot has better rock texture.
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#172 yowhoayoyo
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it's pretty much a fact halo 3's world/level textures are overall better more consistent, i agree models win on killzone2. but overall level/world texture consistentcy ? hell no
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#173 NAPK1NS
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[QUOTE="wooooode"]I am not going to doubt it could be but if they want to talk why does Halo 3 not look even close to as good as KZ2.yowhoayoyo
halo 3's texture work is better. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/images/0/126/?full_size=1 killzone2 single player^^^ http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/images/0/50/?full_size=1 halo 3 multiplayer ^^^ lol the halo 3 shot has better rock texture.

You heard it here first, folks. Halo 3 has better rock textures then Killzone. Sound the alarm.
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#175 yowhoayoyo
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[QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"][QUOTE="wooooode"]I am not going to doubt it could be but if they want to talk why does Halo 3 not look even close to as good as KZ2.NAPK1NS
halo 3's texture work is better. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/images/0/126/?full_size=1 killzone2 single player^^^ http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/images/0/50/?full_size=1 halo 3 multiplayer ^^^ lol the halo 3 shot has better rock texture.

You heard it here first, folks. Halo 3 has better rock textures then Killzone. Sound the alarm.

oops here's better comparison. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/images/0/150/?full_size=1 killzone2 pilar^^ texture shot from single player http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/images/0/50/?full_size=1 halo 3 pilar shot from multiplayer^^ lol halo 3 textures win.
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#176 yowhoayoyo
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dont mess with masteraimassistchief. company isnt very good at making gameplay espescially weapons that good for multiplayer, but they have good texture artist aka bungie.
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#177 deactivated-5f6dd6241fdcc
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If Guerilla would have developed it for the 360, they could most likely make it look and run better!

Same goes for MGS4 and Uncharted.

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#178 PAL360
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To the fanboys saying that 360 doesnt have nothing close to Killzone2 i recomend to play Gears2 or the 360 version of some multiplats.

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#179 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]From one side: well, he most certainly knows the 360 hardware a lot better than any Sony dev. On the other side: he has relationship with MS, so he could be (and probably is) biased. The "easily" part seems like an exageration.lundy86_4

Exactly this ^^^

I don't doubt it could, given the time and resources.

The question is: Will MS actually do it?
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#180 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"][QUOTE="NAPK1NS"][QUOTE="yowhoayoyo"] halo 3's texture work is better. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/images/0/126/?full_size=1 killzone2 single player^^^ http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/images/0/50/?full_size=1 halo 3 multiplayer ^^^ lol the halo 3 shot has better rock texture.

You heard it here first, folks. Halo 3 has better rock textures then Killzone. Sound the alarm.

oops here's better comparison. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/images/0/150/?full_size=1 killzone2 pilar^^ texture shot from single player http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/images/0/50/?full_size=1 halo 3 pilar shot from multiplayer^^ lol halo 3 textures win.

1.) KZ2 does not look like that. That pic is from E32007. 2.) Halo 3 has more hi-res textures. 3.) KZ2 has better animations 4.) KZ2 has better character models. 5.) KZ2 has better lighting. 6.) KZ2 has better gun models.
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#181 def_mode
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dont take this yahowahw seriously (however u spell his name)

he doesnt have KZ2 and therefore depends on pictures/screenshots or gametrailers videos.

buy the game and see it for urself

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#182 ronvalencia
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This is like the CEO of Ford saying Toyota's success can be copied at Ford. All talk.

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Actually, Ford Fusion blows away Toyota Camry Hybrid in USA's EPA MPG. Ford has access to Toyota's hybrid patents. PS; Not factoring Prius G2 or G3.
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#183 cheapness1
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It's all good for ppl to say how game X could be done on console Y but unless they actually get games on par or better than game X it's just blowing hot air!

As a side note even killzone 1 couldn't be done on xbox 360 because it's a ps2 exclusive lol :P

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#184 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="cheapness1"]

It's all good for ppl to say how game X could be done on console Y but unless they actually get games on par or better than game X it's just blowing hot air!

As a side note even killzone 1 couldn't be done on xbox 360 because it's a ps2 exclusive lol :P

Killzone2's primary rendering methods are already being done on the PC and Xbox 360.
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#185 McdonaIdsGuy
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No hard to believe.. since the cry engine 3 poops all over KZ2 and its engine,Cry engine 3 has superior lighting(more complex deferred rendering lighting,with dynamic god rays all over the place,everything cast lights and shadows,and doesn't generate fake shadows from fake light sources),superior physics,superior destructible environment,huge scale (not corridor levels),PARALLAX MAPPING one technique that use a lot of processor cycles. and to end my post CryEngine 3 is more ahead on the 360 than it is on the ps3. http://www.digitalfoundry.org/blog/?p=619
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#186 mamkem6
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I don't care if it can be or can not be done on X360

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#187 Chaos_HL21
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Then why hasn't it been done yet?NAPK1NS

So because it had not been done yet means it can never be done. Makes sense, after allhumans had not been in space in the 1940s, So that must mean mankind will never go out into space:roll:

Just because it had not been done does not mean it is not possible. In terms of power the PS3 and 360 are fairly similar, don't believe the PR progaranda saying one system is better than the other.

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#188 Bazfrag
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I think maybe we should all get out more.
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#189 darthogre
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so it can "easily" be done......riiiiiight. If it's so easy to do why haven't they made a game like that on the X360 yet? They need the expertise of Guerilla to unlock the secrets of the X360? that is the funniest thing I've heard in a while.
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#190 darthogre
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[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Then why hasn't it been done yet?Chaos_HL21

So because it had not been done yet means it can never be done. Makes sense, after allhumans had not been in space in the 1940s, So that must mean mankind will never go out into space:roll:

Just because it had not been done does not mean it is not possible. In terms of power the PS3 and 360 are fairly similar, don't believe the PR progaranda saying one system is better than the other.

wait, he said it could easily be done.....kind of like making pancakes.
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#191 Chaos_HL21
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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Then why hasn't it been done yet?darthogre

So because it had not been done yet means it can never be done. Makes sense, after allhumans had not been in space in the 1940s, So that must mean mankind will never go out into space:roll:

Just because it had not been done does not mean it is not possible. In terms of power the PS3 and 360 are fairly similar, don't believe the PR progaranda saying one system is better than the other.

wait, he said it could easily be done.....kind of like making pancakes.

Well first the guy I quoted was saying that if a game with the graphics of Killzone 2 could be done then why had it not been done before.

second TC added in easily, reading the interview and not just TC post would help, Here is what Christian Allen said

"Oh yeah, Killzone 2 could totally be done on 360 if Guerilla wanted to. The tech is there, if the team and the publishers were motivated, they could do it, just like Halo could come to PS3 if MS didn't own it. It really comes down to console exclusivity. The tech differences between the PS3 and the 360 aren't all that much; it's really about the delivery of content."

It is not a question of tech, the tech is on the 360, and there is not that much of a difference.

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#192 Bread_or_Decide
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Well considering how amazing COD4 and CODWOW look on the PS3 and 360 its not too far a stretch to say KZ2 can be done on the 360. Heck I still think COD4 can match most new games graphics wise. Now with that said...the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Lets see a KZ2-esque game on the 360 and then the endless comparisons can begin.
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#193 Wolfang07
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Lmao cows damage control more then wii owners! They will refute developers that KZ2 cant be done on 360 rofl.
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#194 Ninten007
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If that is so true, then why haven't we seen a game like KZ 2 on 360?

Remember the time MS said we will have exclusives that surpass KZ 2? Guess what it is time to play the waiting game.

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#195 Chaos_HL21
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If that is so true, then why haven't we seen a game like KZ 2 on 360?

Remember the time MS said we will have exclusives that surpass KZ 2? Guess what it is time to play the waiting game.

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Well before KZ2 the PS3 did not have KZ2 level graphics. Also in 1892 people said that heavier than air flying machines were impossible. Just because the 360 does not have a game that has the grpahics of Killzone 2 does not mean that a game like KZ2 could run on the 360. The 360 and PS3 have similar tech, one of not vastly more powerful than the other.

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#196 CubanBlunt
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Now VGCharts is creditable because its postive for the 360, but when positve for the PS3 the site is not creditable:roll:

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#197 darthogre
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Lmao cows damage control more then wii owners! They will refute developers that KZ2 cant be done on 360 rofl.Wolfang07
Actually no, I do believe it's probably possible. My question is why hasn't it been done on the 360 yet? If it's as easy as you Lems think it is to make KZ2 type graphics on the X360 and the fact it's a year older than the PS3, where is the game compareable in graphics? Many people have said time and time again, 1st party games are where you are going to see the difference between X360 and PS3. You can't judge them on multiplats. Can X360 create a game similar to KZ2, possibly........but the question has to be asked, if they could why has it taken them so long to make it? Of course it's going to be hard to make a 1st party game for X360 when MS has fired all their internal developement stuidos lol.
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#198 Chaos_HL21
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Now VGCharts is creditable because its postive for the 360, but when positve for the PS3 the site is not creditable:roll:

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Well it is from an interview with Christain Allen on HiphopGamer. HipHop Gamer may be a bad souce, but in this case there is an video of the guy being interviewed.

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#199 Bread_or_Decide
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So I guess its up to HALO: OST to up the ante.
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#200 Solid-CELL
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i doubt it could be done. Its like they say, Easier said then done.