Burnout Paradise Xbox LIVE requires hard drive?!?!

this thread is dumb. the arcade / core model is there for people who want to play games offline. if you want to go online, go get a hard drive. thats one of things with 360. there are options MS is not FORCING stuff on you if you dont need it. a cheaper console with less features appeals to a minority of people, people on a budget.

i bet you wont get many lems in this thread complaining they cant play LIVE burnout on their arcade / core model.

Memory cards are available for those on a budget who just want to play offline and be-able to save their games like PS2 was. WTF is the problem.

sts106mat

why would you need a harddrive to play a game online?.

So you dropped $280 on an Arcade, then you forked over $50 for XBL, then you wasted $100 to buy the crappy wireless thing instead of just running a cable, then you picked up an extra controller for $50 and bought Burnout Paradise for $60, then since the Arcade does not have a headset or HD cables you bought those seperately also for another $50 or so.......

Ok, man yeah, that's a very serious problem, the problem being this hypothetical person that just dropped $600 dollars on the 360 yet failed to get the HDD.

How do you guys even come up with your poorly thought out complaints?

I wish you guys would quit phoning it in.

I'm sorry. I guess its not right to say that an arcade owner would miss out on Halo 3. Everyone knows you buy that for the single player. Or CoD4, who plays that online? And everyone knows that the offline Burnout is the real reason people would spend $60 on the game. I don't know what I'm thinking.

Nor should I even ask about system updates and how an arcade owner deals with those.....

BTW, find in my posts where I made a point that arcade owners couldn't play Burnout. I said they can't play ALL of Burnout and the most important part.

Whats it going to take for you lemmings to realize that MS isn't giving you "teh options" but, instead, are giving you a cheap model where they hope you concentrate on that price tag instead of what lays ahead? You don't think there will be offline sections of games that will need the HDD in this gen?

The_Crucible

For less then the price of a game, core owners can instantly become premium owners by adding a 20 gig HDD !!! :?

Don't you need a HDD to play Crackdown online? This isn't really news, is it?

because of system updates etc. its not needed, but it seems burnout might need it. whoppeee.

and as for the burnout thing ibacai. you can play all of burnouts single player game. if you read earlier in the thread (My first post). we had said that most people with a core system / arcade wont play online anyway, so for them they are playing burnout for the single player not the multi.

PS you cant play warhawk on ps3 without a broadband connection! so whos faults that? sonys or yours for not getting a broadband connection. same thing

sts106mat

notice where it says "xbox live" on the box

because of system updates etc. its not needed, but it seems burnout might need it. whoppeee.

and as for the burnout thing ibacai. you can play all of burnouts single player game. if you read earlier in the thread (My first post). we had said that most people with a core system / arcade wont play online anyway, so for them they are playing burnout for the single player not the multi.

PS you cant play warhawk on ps3 without a broadband connection! so whos faults that? sonys or yours for not getting a broadband connection. same thing

sts106mat

nonsense. you said people with a core don't play online

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360coresystem/

So you dropped $280 on an Arcade, then you forked over $50 for XBL, then you wasted $100 to buy the crappy wireless thing instead of just running a cable, then you picked up an extra controller for $50 and bought Burnout Paradise for $60, then since the Arcade does not have a headset or HD cables you bought those seperately also for another $50 or so.......

Ok, man yeah, that's a very serious problem, the problem being this hypothetical person that just dropped $600 dollars on the 360 yet failed to get the HDD.

How do you guys even come up with your poorly thought out complaints?

I wish you guys would quit phoning it in.

Riverwolf007

PEOPLE WITH A CORE CAN PLAY ONLINE FOR THE NOOBS THAT KNOW NOTHING:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360coresystem/

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]I'm sorry. I guess its not right to say that an arcade owner would miss out on Halo 3. Everyone knows you buy that for the single player. Or CoD4, who plays that online? And everyone knows that the offline Burnout is the real reason people would spend $60 on the game. I don't know what I'm thinking.

Nor should I even ask about system updates and how an arcade owner deals with those.....

BTW, find in my posts where I made a point that arcade owners couldn't play Burnout. I said they can't play ALL of Burnout and the most important part.

Whats it going to take for you lemmings to realize that MS isn't giving you "teh options" but, instead, are giving you a cheap model where they hope you concentrate on that price tag instead of what lays ahead? You don't think there will be offline sections of games that will need the HDD in this gen?

heretrix

Oh, right. It makes alot of sense to buy an arcade model and to buy an HDD to play online. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of the low price to start with, doesn't it? That's the point we're making. They are setting people up for milkage. Hoping they only focus on now instead of what they may want in 6 months.

An, again I ask, how does a non-HDD 360 get system updates? Are you ever going to answer this?

An, again I ask, how does a non-HDD 360 get system updates? Are you ever going to answer this?

The_Crucible

PEOPLE WITH A CORE CAN PLAY ONLINE FOR THE NOOBS THAT KNOW NOTHING:

Always-Honest

Xbox LIVE: Xbox LIVE is where games and entertainment come alive, the only unified place where you can play with anyone, anytime, anywhere. And the best just got better. Connect Xbox 360 to your broadband connection, attach a storage device (hard drive or memory unit) and get instant access to Xbox LIVE Silver. Express your digital identity through your gamertag and gamer card, talk with others using voice chat, and access Xbox LIVE Marketplace.

MS

who really cares? if you can afford broadband and live gold, you probably already have the hard drive.

sts106mat

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

PEOPLE WITH A CORE CAN PLAY ONLINE FOR THE NOOBS THAT KNOW NOTHING:

The_Crucible

Xbox LIVE: Xbox LIVE is where games and entertainment come alive, the only unified place where you can play with anyone, anytime, anywhere. And the best just got better. Connect Xbox 360 to your broadband connection, attach a storage device (hard drive or memory unit) and get instant access to Xbox LIVE Silver. Express your digital identity through your gamertag and gamer card, talk with others using voice chat, and access Xbox LIVE Marketplace.

MS

memory unit.. memory card

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]I'm sorry. I guess its not right to say that an arcade owner would miss out on Halo 3. Everyone knows you buy that for the single player. Or CoD4, who plays that online? And everyone knows that the offline Burnout is the real reason people would spend $60 on the game. I don't know what I'm thinking.

Nor should I even ask about system updates and how an arcade owner deals with those.....

BTW, find in my posts where I made a point that arcade owners couldn't play Burnout. I said they can't play ALL of Burnout and the most important part.

Whats it going to take for you lemmings to realize that MS isn't giving you "teh options" but, instead, are giving you a cheap model where they hope you concentrate on that price tag instead of what lays ahead? You don't think there will be offline sections of games that will need the HDD in this gen?

The_Crucible

Oh, right. It makes alot of sense to buy an arcade model and to buy an HDD to play online. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of the low price to start with, doesn't it? That's the point we're making. They are setting people up for milkage. Hoping they only focus on now instead of what they may want in 6 months.

An, again I ask, how does a non-HDD 360 get system updates? Are you ever going to answer this?

As for people buying An Arcade unit and being setup for milkage. The only person setting them up is themselves. Get a Premium, end of story. You aren't being forced to buy the Arcade unit, it's a choice. Quite possibly a bad one for some people, but that's their fault. If you try and cheap out in the present with an Arcade, it's only going to cost you in the future. That isn't Microsoft's fault.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

So you dropped $280 on an Arcade, then you forked over $50 for XBL, then you wasted $100 to buy the crappy wireless thing instead of just running a cable, then you picked up an extra controller for $50 and bought Burnout Paradise for $60, then since the Arcade does not have a headset or HD cables you bought those seperately also for another $50 or so.......

Ok, man yeah, that's a very serious problem, the problem being this hypothetical person that just dropped $600 dollars on the 360 yet failed to get the HDD.

How do you guys even come up with your poorly thought out complaints?

I wish you guys would quit phoning it in.

heretrix

Wow, that's pretty fun, no wonder doing that is so popular here.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

And PLEASE name a 360 model that will not allow you to play any 360 game...This I gotta see.

The_Crucible

:lol: You're kidding, right? ANY 360 without a HDD cannot play all 360 games. If you think so, tell me how they download the live arcade games and play them.

Sounds neat. Download a couple games and you have to erase to get more. Great deal. NO, that person wouldn't miss out on a thing........ You download two games maxing at 250 and your 512 card is full.

Most arcade games have a max memory limit of 50MB as required by Microsoft. Still kinda bites.

You need the HDD just to play on XBL.-Manntis-

no you don't.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"]

who really cares? if you can afford broadband and live gold, you probably already have the hard drive.

Taz-Bone

Most arcade games have a max memory limit of 50MB as required by Microsoft. Still kinda bites.

wiwahib

No, most arcade games are 50mb because of the prior limits. they now reaised it to 250mb. And why did they do that? Beacuse they want to use it all. And what happens whenn that starts happening?

memory unit.. memory card

Always-Honest

Not making a point here, I really don't know. How much space does online need? if you have a 512md card, some of it will be filled with game saves, dl games,and updates. How much space does Live need to run on the same card?

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

So you dropped $280 on an Arcade, then you forked over $50 for XBL, then you wasted $100 to buy the crappy wireless thing instead of just running a cable, then you picked up an extra controller for $50 and bought Burnout Paradise for $60, then since the Arcade does not have a headset or HD cables you bought those seperately also for another $50 or so.......

Ok, man yeah, that's a very serious problem, the problem being this hypothetical person that just dropped $600 dollars on the 360 yet failed to get the HDD.

How do you guys even come up with your poorly thought out complaints?

I wish you guys would quit phoning it in.

Riverwolf007

Wow, that's pretty fun, no wonder doing that is so popular here.

[QUOTE="-Manntis-"]You need the HDD just to play on XBL.Always-Honest

no you don't.

Where else will you save profiles and all the updates

any core owners that can confirm or deny this?

Always-Honest

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="-Manntis-"]You need the HDD just to play on XBL.-Manntis-

no you don't.

Where else will you save profiles and all the updates

On a 512mb card, neat huh?

[QUOTE="wiwahib"]

Most arcade games have a max memory limit of 50MB as required by Microsoft. Still kinda bites.

The_Crucible

No, most arcade games are 50mb because of the prior limits. they now reaised it to 250mb. And why did they do that? Beacuse they want to use it all. And what happens whenn that starts happening?

memory unit.. memory card

Always-Honest

Not making a point here, I really don't know. How much space does online need? if you have a 512md card, some of it will be filled with game saves, dl games,and updates. How much space does Live need to run on the same card?

listen, i think every xbox 360 should be a premium at least. they all should come standard with a HDD. but the fact is there are also cores and they play games online... i have no idea how much space it takes. but you can go online with a CORE... and PLAY online with a CORE.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

any core owners that can confirm or deny this?

wormaroonie

great. they never should have made cores... they regret it now.. now they can't make games that use the harddrive for single player because of that stupid core.

Don't you need a HDD to play Crackdown online? This isn't really news, is it?

Jandurin

[QUOTE="-Manntis-"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="-Manntis-"]You need the HDD just to play on XBL.The_Crucible

no you don't.

Where else will you save profiles and all the updates

On a 512mb card, neat huh?

Have fun not being able to download anything and having one save file. Not neat huh?

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="-Manntis-"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="-Manntis-"]You need the HDD just to play on XBL.-Manntis-

no you don't.

Where else will you save profiles and all the updates

On a 512mb card, neat huh?

Have fun not being able to download anything and having one save file. Not neat huh?

it's a stupid idea. true. but that doesn't mean core players can't play online.

Wow it is a slow news day lol.

it's a stupid idea. true. but that doesn't mean core players can't play online.

Always-Honest

I'll give you that if you can say then that missing rumble and BC on some PS3's is no big deal.

Wow it is a slow news day lol.

Bread_or_Decide

Indeed it is slow.

We need Fox News to say some more crap about games.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="-Manntis-"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="-Manntis-"]You need the HDD just to play on XBL.-Manntis-

no you don't.

Where else will you save profiles and all the updates

On a 512mb card, neat huh?

Have fun not being able to download anything and having one save file. Not neat huh?

Anyone going to answer the question about system updates on a HDD-less 360?The_Crucible

That's a good question that I'm trying to find the answer too. The arcade OS has to run off of something in the system, and is the system update "flashed" like a bios where you can receive updates, or done some other way? Is there anyone with an Arcade that knows or someone that has a link?

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

it's a stupid idea. true. but that doesn't mean core players can't play online.

The_Crucible

I'll give you that if you can say then that missing rumble and BC on some PS3's is no big deal.

The BC on the PS3 *is* a big deal.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]Anyone going to answer the question about system updates on a HDD-less 360?wiwahib

That's a good question that I'm trying to find the answer too. The arcade OS has to run off of something in the system, and is the system update "flashed" like a bios where you can receive updates, or done some other way? Is there anyone with an Arcade that knows or someone that has a link?

The other question that goes with that is "How much space is needed to play online?" With only 512mb to work with, seems like a lot to try and fit game saves, dl games, updates, and live needs without having to remove stuff often. That is, if they all use the card. As you're saying, the updates may be stored internally.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

it's a stupid idea. true. but that doesn't mean core players can't play online.

Jandurin

I'll give you that if you can say then that missing rumble and BC on some PS3's is no big deal.

The BC on the PS3 *is* a big deal.

Wow. Sorry for ya. Tell Europe the 40Gb without BC isn't going to sell because people have to have BC.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

it's a stupid idea. true. but that doesn't mean core players can't play online.

The_Crucible

I'll give you that if you can say then that missing rumble and BC on some PS3's is no big deal.

The BC on the PS3 *is* a big deal.

Wow. Sorry for ya. Tell Europe the 40Gb without BC isn't going to sell because people have to have BC.

The lack of B.C. on the new PS3's - not so much.

Wow. Sorry for ya. Tell Europe the 40Gb without BC isn't going to sell because people have to have BC.The_Crucible

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

it's a stupid idea. true. but that doesn't mean core players can't play online.

Jandurin

I'll give you that if you can say then that missing rumble and BC on some PS3's is no big deal.

The BC on the PS3 *is* a big deal.

i agree.

with X360 you can upgrade from the lower model to the higher one without loss of features.

with ps3 however, you can't.

[QUOTE="wiwahib"]

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]Anyone going to answer the question about system updates on a HDD-less 360?The_Crucible

That's a good question that I'm trying to find the answer too. The arcade OS has to run off of something in the system, and is the system update "flashed" like a bios where you can receive updates, or done some other way? Is there anyone with an Arcade that knows or someone that has a link?

The other question that goes with that is "How much space is needed to play online?" With only 512mb to work with, seems like a lot to try and fit game saves, dl games, updates, and live needs without having to remove stuff often. That is, if they all use the card. As you're saying, the updates may be stored internally.

Okay, here is what I found

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/10/30/dash-update-details-officially-revealed/

It's a fansite, but all the other sites I looked at said all connected 360's would receive the update. This one specifically stated even those with no hard drive.

Beginning the morning of Tuesday October 31, owners of the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system from MicrosoftTM will be able to download a free system update that will provide more than 85 new features and enhancements, including support for native 1080p games and movies, faster Xbox Live Arcade game list display times and even more choices when it comes to video playback options.

This free update will be distributed via the Xbox Live® online gaming and entertainment network to all members (Xbox Live Silver and Xbox Live Gold) with no disc or hard drive required. Gamers without an Xbox Live account can easily sign up for free by connecting their console to a broadband Internet connection. Once online, downloading the update is fast and simple, and provides instant access to features such as:

You can also get updates via disc from xbox.com

Meh. The damn HDD should've been standard from the get go and MS really shot themselves in the foot by not including it. Although, I can't really find a way to feel sorry for those who bought a core or arcade without a Hard Drive (or as some folks like to call it, the big memory card that clips onto the top of the system). In this day and age, hard drives are almost required. MS saw this when they made the first Xbox and I'm shocked they didn't make it standard this time around as well.

Okay, here is what I found

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/10/30/dash-update-details-officially-revealed/

It's a fansite, but all the other sites I looked at said all connected 360's would receive the update. This one specifically stated even those with no hard drive.

Beginning the morning of Tuesday October 31, owners of the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system from MicrosoftTM will be able to download a free system update that will provide more than 85 new features and enhancements, including support for native 1080p games and movies, faster Xbox Live Arcade game list display times and even more choices when it comes to video playback options.

This free update will be distributed via the Xbox Live® online gaming and entertainment network to all members (Xbox Live Silver and Xbox Live Gold) with no disc or hard drive required. Gamers without an Xbox Live account can easily sign up for free by connecting their console to a broadband Internet connection. Once online, downloading the update is fast and simple, and provides instant access to features such as:

You can also get updates via disc from xbox.com

wiwahib

Thanks for doing the legwork. Appreciate it.