By SW logic, GTA IV is a 360 exclusive, and Bioshock is a PC exclusive

NGS is PS3 exclusive...

RE4 Wii counts as a Wii exclusive...

I hear it almost everyday in some debate with regard to the exclusives battle that is raging here in SW, and it's starting to annoy the hell out of me.

This is the common NGS argument:

"If a game has any exclusive content that is not available in the other versions, then it counts as an exclusive."

And this is the common RE4 Wii argument:

"The new controls and crosshair mean that this game counts as a Wii exclusive."

I am tired of hearing this rubbish, and I am going to destroy both of these arguments right now.

First of all, let's deal with the Ninja Gaiden Sigma argument.

Cows say that NGS is PS3 exclusive simply because it adds new content to the base game which originally came out for Xbox called Ninja Gaiden (followed by Ninja Gaiden Black). If what the cows say is true, then Grand Theft Auto IV is a 360 exclusive, and the PS3 is getting another game altogether that shoud, from here on in, be known as Grand Theft Auto "sorta" IV, as it is lacking the two exclusive episodes from the real Grand Theft Auto IV.

Do you see the lapse in logic? By saying that NGS is a PS3 exclusive game, you are saying that any game with bonus content counts as an exclusive to the system on which said content is available. This is ludacris!

Let's set something straight: A game is not an exclusive if the original base game is available on another platform. Period.

If you want to tout the exclusive content of a particular title, then you shoud do just that: Tout the exclusive content, but do not try and pass off the game as an exclusive game to your system.

I suggest that it be an SW rule that no game thatis available in some form on another platform, regardless of the bonus content, can be counted as an exclusive.Fair enough?

Now onto the RE4 Wii argument. This one is much less complicated and far easier to defeat.

You sheep say that RE4 Wii counts as an exclusive due to the different and "innovative" controls? Well, then that means that all games that are released on PC that are also available on consoles, should count as PC exclusive, because the PC has a different method of input.

Therefore, the upcoming title, Bioshock, should count as a PC exclusive because it has different controls than the other version.

Do you see what I'm getting at?

A game should not count as an exclusive unless it is a new game exclusive to that platform. THE METHOD OF INPUT IS IRRELEVANT!

There, I've had my little rant for the day, and I only yelled in caps one time. Thanks for reading; it's good to get that settled.

I agree.

You make great points.

Fanboys won't care.

Logic doesn't matter.

Good day, sir.

Let's set something straight: A game is not an exclusive if the original base game is available on another platform. Period.jetthrovegas

Thats the truth.

Thats all that needed to be said, really.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]Let's set something straight: A game is not an exclusive if the original base game is available on another platform. Period.XaosII

Thats the truth.

Thats all that needed to be said, really.

Well, I also felt I needed to address the "exclusive controller" issue... it was getting out of hand.

You win!

I disagree with you, Sigma is a PS3 exclusive because of the massive new content found such as:

a) new enemies

b) new playable characters

c) sixaxis control features

d) new weapons

e) new bosses

f) new levels

g) completely new graphics engine made specificall for PS3

Now how can this be a port? it wouldnt make sense it's a remake with massive new content.

I agree.

You make great points.

Fanboys won't care.

Logic doesn't matter.

Good day, sir.

SemiMaster

I concur.

The points are very good.

Fanboys are gonna attack

Logic is some posters worst enemy.

L8ta... :shock:

I disagree with you, Sigma is a PS3 exclusive because of the massive new content found such as:

a) new enemies

b) new playable characters

c) sixaxis control features

d) new weapons

e) new bosses

f) new levels

g) completely new graphics engine made specificall for PS3

Now how can this be a port? it wouldnt make sense it's a remake with massive new content.

WalterPaladines

It is the same base game. Period. If you want to tout the exclusive content, then fine, say "The PS3 has Ninja Gaiden with exclusive Sigma content" but do not try do pass of the title as a PS3 exclusive game.

Unless it is a new game that is not available on other platforms, it is not an exclusive.

There is a reason it is called Ninja Gaiden Sigma instead of Ninja Gaiden 2...

This is a dircect attack on Casey, he won't mod you but nicesoiguessialive

Well, I'm not trying to start anything, he has the right to his own opinion... he also has the right to be wrong.

This is a dircect attack on Casey, he won't mod you but nicesoiguessialive

his argument about sigma is nearly identical to mine. :|

I disagree with you, Sigma is a PS3 exclusive because of the massive new content found such as:

*list o' stuff*

Now how can this be a port? it wouldnt make sense it's a remake with massive new content.WalterPaladines

Which means the same game is being REMADE for another console. All that extra stuff you listed doesn't change the fact that it's at it's core the same Ninja Gaiden game that was on the Xbox.

Also, would someone care to explain how this thread is an attack on Casey? I see no contradicting.

I disagree with you, Sigma is a PS3 exclusive because of the massive new content found such as:

a) new enemies

b) new playable characters

c) sixaxis control features

d) new weapons

e) new bosses

f) new levels

g) completely new graphics engine made specificall for PS3

Now how can this be a port? it wouldnt make sense it's a remake with massive new content.

WalterPaladines

those extras may be enough to call it the best version, or to say it has exclusive content, but it shouldn't be considered an exclusive game altogether

[QUOTE="soiguessialive"]This is a dircect attack on Casey, he won't mod you but niceCaseyWegner

his argument about sigma is nearly identical to mine. :|

I was curious about that... I just assumed based on his post that you disagreed with me... which topic is your Sigma opinion laid out in?

that's not system wars logic. the ones trying to call sigma exclusive are just trying to change the rules.CaseyWegner

Ok, perhaps "Commonly used System Wars logic" is more accurate, since it is not, by all apparences, Official System Wars Logic.

None of them are exclusive and your comparison of NGS to GTAIV is idiotic at best. If all that NGS did was have bonus content it would work but that's not all it has over Black. Fission MailedIbacai

I'm sorry, did you miss something?

I don't agree that those are exclusives, cowsand sheep are delusionalbut this quote:

"then Grand Theft Auto IV is a 360 exclusive, and the PS3 is getting another game altogether that shoud, from here on in, be known as Grand Theft Auto "sorta" IV, as it is lacking the two exclusive episodes from the real Grand Theft Auto IV."

This technically wouldn't be the case because both Grand Theft Auto 4's will be excactly the same at launch(supposedly). Not until sometime next year (who knows when) will this be available as a downloadable game. The game itself will not be compareable to the games you mentioned because both are being sold with the extra content in the original buy. It's similar to the game Oblivion, PS3 doesn't have the newest content but I wouldn't consider the actual GAME itself as an exclusive.

That is the difference, it's launching as the same game and later on next year gets extra content by paying for it. The games you mentioned are getting the extra content and the game as one package deal. But if you want to dissmiss that it's fine, GTA4 could be counted as an exclusive next year then....not this year lol. Then Lems, Sheep, and Cows can all be delusional.

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]None of them are exclusive and your comparison of NGS to GTAIV is idiotic at best. If all that NGS did was have bonus content it would work but that's not all it has over Black. Fission Mailedjetthrovegas

I'm sorry, did you miss something?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's not system wars logic. the ones trying to call sigma exclusive are just trying to change the rules.jetthrovegas

Ok, perhaps "Commonly used System Wars logic" is more accurate, since it is not, by all apparences, Official System Wars Logic.

i think most people here don't consider it exclusive but there's a vocal minority saying otherwise.

I don't agree that those are exclusives, cowsand sheep are delusionalbut this quote:

"then Grand Theft Auto IV is a 360 exclusive, and the PS3 is getting another game altogether that shoud, from here on in, be known as Grand Theft Auto "sorta" IV, as it is lacking the two exclusive episodes from the real Grand Theft Auto IV."

This technically wouldn't be the case because both Grand Theft Auto 4's will be excactly the same at launch(supposedly). Not until sometime next year (who knows when) will this be available as a downloadable game. The game itself will not be compareable to the games you mentioned because both are being sold with the extra content in the original buy. It's similar to the game Oblivion, PS3 doesn't have the newest content but I wouldn't consider the actual GAME itself as an exclusive.

That is the difference, it's launching as the same game and later on next year gets extra content by paying for it. The games you mentioned are getting the extra content and the game as one package deal. But if you want to dissmiss that it's fine, GTA4 could be counted as an exclusive next year then....not this year lol. Then Lems, Sheep, and Cows can all be delusional.

darthogre

No, no, I was merely using the GTA IV argument to point out the flaws in the NGS/RE4 exclusive argument.

I do not, by any means, consider GTA IV to be exclusive to 360.

Or to use Yoda's phraing:

"Bonus content, an exclusive does not make."

I disagree with you, Sigma is a PS3 exclusive because of the massive new content found such as:

c) sixaxis control features

WalterPaladines

Wait, what? Are you talking about how you have to shake it like you are making a mixed drink to make your magic more powerful? I wouldn't count something like that in your reasons because I honestly think it makes the game worse with that feature lol.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's not system wars logic. the ones trying to call sigma exclusive are just trying to change the rules.CaseyWegner

Ok, perhaps "Commonly used System Wars logic" is more accurate, since it is not, by all apparences, Official System Wars Logic.

i think most people here don't consider it exclusive but there's a vocal minority saying otherwise.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]None of them are exclusive and your comparison of NGS to GTAIV is idiotic at best. If all that NGS did was have bonus content it would work but that's not all it has over Black. Fission MailedIbacai

I'm sorry, did you miss something?

Listen to me very carefully: I was not making an argument for GTA IV 360... the exclusive content does not make it exclusive. I was merely using a very stupid argument to show the cows exactly how moronic their NGS exclusive argument is.

The depth of the bonus content is irrelevant: a title that has been previously released in some form, does not count as an exclusive if the base game is available on another platform. End of story.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's not system wars logic. the ones trying to call sigma exclusive are just trying to change the rules.Heil68

Ok, perhaps "Commonly used System Wars logic" is more accurate, since it is not, by all apparences, Official System Wars Logic.

i think most people here don't consider it exclusive but there's a vocal minority saying otherwise.

5 new chapters... 1 new Act... 5 acts in the original, meaning the pc version will have new extra content equivalent to 1/5 of the original... it is not a different game, it is working off of the same base, and is, therefore, a multiplat 360 and PC game, with bonus content on the PC.

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]None of them are exclusive and your comparison of NGS to GTAIV is idiotic at best. If all that NGS did was have bonus content it would work but that's not all it has over Black. Fission Mailedjetthrovegas

I'm sorry, did you miss something?

Listen to me very carefully: I was not making an argument for GTA IV 360... the exclusive content does not make it exclusive. I was merely using a very stupid argument to show the cows exactly how moronic their NGS exclusive argument is.

The depth of the bonus content is irrelevant: a title that has been previously released in some form, does not count as an exclusive if the base game is available on another platform. End of story.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's not system wars logic. the ones trying to call sigma exclusive are just trying to change the rules.jetthrovegas

Ok, perhaps "Commonly used System Wars logic" is more accurate, since it is not, by all apparences, Official System Wars Logic.

i think most people here don't consider it exclusive but there's a vocal minority saying otherwise.

5 new chapters... 1 new Act... 5 acts in the original, meaning the pc version will have new extra content equivalent to 1/5 of the original... it is not a different game, it is working off of the same base, and is, therefore, a multiplat 360 and PC game, with bonus content on the PC.

Heil I like you, but he is right. Its bonus content. :oops:

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"][QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]None of them are exclusive and your comparison of NGS to GTAIV is idiotic at best. If all that NGS did was have bonus content it would work but that's not all it has over Black. Fission MailedIbacai

I'm sorry, did you miss something?

Listen to me very carefully: I was not making an argument for GTA IV 360... the exclusive content does not make it exclusive. I was merely using a very stupid argument to show the cows exactly how moronic their NGS exclusive argument is.

The depth of the bonus content is irrelevant: a title that has been previously released in some form, does not count as an exclusive if the base game is available on another platform. End of story.

Re-worked graphics or not, bonus content is bonus content. Period. GTA IV works fine as an example.

I agree, just a bunch of cows moooing over their insecuirities. Sigma = Black with a new facelift.Igwababa

Sigma is just an example... this applies to any game that is available on another platform...bonus content or no bonus content.

Then to those I would say GeOW is still exclusive then, because the pc version will have 5 new levels. Twice as many as the 360, thus making it a different game.Heil68

yeah. if we decide to change the rules for sigma, there's gonna be some major restructuring done for exclusive comparison lineups.

While you make a very good point I think your comparison is pretty terrible. GTA4 is launching on the 360 and the PS3 at the same time. However, unless I am wrong, only the PS3 has NGS. Neither the Wii nor the 360 has it. So to me that seems like an exclusive despite the association with the original Xbox. Especially since I am assuming they made graphical improvements to the PS3 version.

I would also make the same point for RE4 on the Wii as it is not on 360 or the PS3, although I admit that is aweaker point since the Wii version is just a port of the GC with no graphical changes at all and therefore is much more a port than a new game.

So your analogy is pretty terrible but I agree with your point. It is one thing for someone like myself to make the point above...it is something else entirely to act like a different controller or an added level is what makes a game exclusive.

While you make a very good point I think your comparison is pretty terrible. GTA4 is launching on the 360 and the PS3 at the same time. However, unless I am wrong, only the PS3 has NGS. Neither the Wii nor the 360 has it. So to me that seems like an exclusive despite the association with the original Xbox. Especially since I am assuming they made graphical improvements to the PS3 version.

I would also make the same point for RE4 on the Wii as it is not on 360 or the PS3, although I admit that is aweaker point since the Wii version is just a port of the GC with no graphical changes at all and therefore is much more a port than a new game.

So your analogy is pretty terrible but I agree with your point. It is one thing for someone like myself to make the point above...it is something else entirely to act like a different controller or an added level is what makes a game exclusive.

ZIMdoom

Nice try sir. If thats the case, Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance was a PC/Xbox Exclusive.

"Essentially, Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance lets Xbox owners experience one of the most talked about games ever made."

"As mentioned, the core of Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance is in fact just Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty."

:shock:

Alright quick question,that means Tekken 6 and the new tiime crisis both coming to the ps3 arent exclusives because they can be played on the arcade ?deathtrap90

So Virtua Fighter 5 is an exclusive 360 game because it has a completely new online mode and 2 new characters?Mercenary343

Dont forget Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance for the Xbox. That was exclusive also... :shock:

I disagree with you, Sigma is a PS3 exclusive because of the massive new content found such as:

a) new enemies

b) new playable characters

c) sixaxis control features

d) new weapons

e) new bosses

f) new levels

g) completely new graphics engine made specificall for PS3

Now how can this be a port? it wouldnt make sense it's a remake with massive new content.

WalterPaladines

then like he said gta4 is 360 exclusive

hmm ... good post , but the point that NGS was made using a new graphics engine also sound a bit convincing. Consider this : lets's say there was a remake of say FF7 on 360 ( I know it's improbabale, but just assume it for now), using ut3 engine with few extra missions, would that be called an exclusive or not even though it was present on PS1?. IMO it should be.naval

I say that if the main story would be same it would be remake.

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[QUOTE="naval"]hmm ... good post , but the point that NGS was made using a new graphics engine also sound a bit convincing. Consider this : lets's say there was a remake of say FF7 on 360 ( I know it's improbabale, but just assume it for now), using ut3 engine with few extra missions, would that be called an exclusive or not even though it was present on PS1?. IMO it should be.Antti88

I say that if the main story would be same it would be remake.

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or rehash, with a few extra goodies..