Call of Duty is Dying: Sales down 50% year-over-year, MW3 to sell lower than BO

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#51 xxxLUGZxxx
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How long did they expect their yearly DLC to sell well?

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#52 DeX2010
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Its because of Battlefield 3 cutting into MW3s market, as well as people tiring of the repetitive forumla. Black Ops is much better than MW3. I was playing BO throughout the year, while MW3 - I rented it and got bored with the crappy maps and gunplay.
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#53 TheBlizz87
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MW3 online sucked and I think some people are finally starting to get burnt out by the same game being released every year. I had MW 3 for about 2 months and only played it for a couple of weeks before I got tired of it and it started to collect dust. So I sold it for 40 bucks and took my lady friend out to dinner at applebee's. Best decsion EVER!.

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#54 BadNewsBen
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One reason for this. Battlefield 3. Anyone saying it isn't the #1 reason for a sales decline is kidding themselves. Now, I hope I'm wrong and the COD franchise redefines itself, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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#55 -ArchAngeL-777-
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1) NPD is just North America. MW3 has passed Black Ops in world wide sales. 2) If it does taper off its because people like Black Ops better than MW3, not because COD is dying. MW3 plays a lot different. I for one cannot stand MW2 or MW3. If the rumored Black Ops 2 is coming out this year, dont expect to see a drop off...especially if its a similar formula and play style to Black Ops.
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#56 -ArchAngeL-777-
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One reason for this. Battlefield 3. Anyone saying it isn't the #1 reason for a sales decline is kidding themselves. Now, I hope I'm wrong and the COD franchise redefines itself, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.BadNewsBen
Then how is it that MW3 broke the first week sales record when BF3 was released before it? People just flat dont like MW3 online as much as Black Ops. A lot of folks went back to playing Black Ops. BF3 doesnt have enough content to tank a COD game. BF3 has only 12 or so maps including Back to Karkand. Half of those are COD wannabe maps that arent even legit Battlefield experiences. That shooter got old faster than any other I have played.
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#57 burgeg
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COD is probably gradually going to sell less and less year after year from now on, but it won't "die". The series will always sell well, but it will probably not match Black Ops ever again. If GTA V does end up coming out this year, expect that to have a massive impact on BO2 sales this year. More so than any impact any other game had last year on MW3. But like I say just because the peak of its popuality is gone, that doesn't mean COD games won't still continue to sell very well.

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#58 Messiahbolical-
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If there's one thing this proves is dying, it's Infinity Ward. They're a shell of their former selves. They were once great game developers. Some of the best and "cutting edge" in the business. But the brains behind the company are gone for good, and the company just hasn't been the same since they left. The Modern Warfare franchise started off on fire... as the "premiere" COD franchise. But the franchise has gone stagnant since this new IW took over. For instance, MW2(although frustrating to play) was noticeably different from COD4. The graphics, killstreak system, perk system, attachment system etc etc... so many things were changed around. However MW3 is practically the same game as MW2 with some slight tweaks. (But with worse maps, lag, and perk system)

Also, Infinity Ward made a lot of huge mistakes with MW3 that should've been easily avoided. They brought back deathstreaks again when nobody wanted them, brought back Last Stand AGAIN, added in a Support Package which made getting UAVs overpowered and forces you into using the Assassin perk due to the UAV spam, they added in a Lag Compensation system that does nothing but make the game feel laggy and broken for most people, and to top it off the maps and spawn system are just so bad.... They're still better than Treyarch at gun balance and hit detection(barely) as well as graphics, but that's about it. They try way too hard to cater to noobs thinking it will help the game sell by helping out casual players, but nobody really wants any of these things. They don't listen to their fanbase at all and they're horrible at patching their games these days. Every time they try to fix 1 thing they end up breaking 2 more things as well. They released a patch to nerf Dual Wield Pachine Pistols by lowering their fire rate recently, and ironically they "accidentally" RAISED the fire rate by as much as 30-40% for some of them instead of lowering it. THAT is sad...

It's just obvious they're getting worse and worse. The company is not the company it once was, releasing Game Of The Year candidates with every single release. That era is now over. It just seems like Treyarch is taking over as the "premiere" COD developers. Black Ops was a HUGE step up from World At War... and Treyarch seems to improve and realize their potential more and more with each game they release. They clearly work harder at making sure their games are packed with as much content and customization as possible, from the guns and emblems right down to the sound options in the game. They actually listen to their fans a lot and fix stuff a lot of stuff if people don't like it. They're now better at making maps, single player campaigns, stat-tracking, innovative game types(like wager matches), XP system(cod points), killstreak balance, matchmaking, audio, etc etc etc... they're just the better developers these days when it comes to what actually matters. And the COD fanbase is agreeing for the most part.

I've never seen so many people already giving up on a game so short into it's life-span as MW3. It seems like so many people hate MW3 and are going back to Black Ops or waiting for "Black Ops 2" already. Usually people don't start talking about the next COD game until at least like July-August because they're still playing the current game and happy with it... it's barely Feburary and people talk about it all the time. That's a pretty good sign that MW3 sucks. And so does the new IW.

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#59 ohgeez
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there may be hope for this world yet...
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And TBH MW3 sucking really could start a chain reaction of people not buying the next COD though. If people hate MW3 that much, they might not even give the next one a chance. So the developers want to start building steam again and gaining more customers instead of LOSING them, Treyarch needs to come out on fire and really step their game up and release an epic game this year to keep people from losing interest in the series altogether. Black Ops was a good start and a fun game, but they need to take from what they did with Black Ops and double that effort and make the "perfect"(I use that term loosely) COD game. People wont put up with the bullcrap much longer. They want a masterpiece, and Treyarch needs to release a masterpiece THIS year. People wont keep waiting for that "perfect" COD game year after year, only to be disappointed time and time again. It needs to be now. This next COD game will most likely be the last COD game of the gen, and probably the last with the current graphics engine/game mechanics(they'll most likely from scratch next gen and make their graphics more up-to-date with the newer hardware), so now's the perfect time to give their maximum effort and put all of their developing into focusing on the gameplay. It probably wont happen, but that's what they need to do to continue to hold onto their customers.

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#61 jer_1
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Excellent news I guess, people need to stop buying this game for no other reason than it just being a sequel.
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#62 Masculus
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I am pleased.

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#63 o0squishy0o
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Not sure why everyone is "happy" about this. If COD does "die out" it will be replaced with a similiar game... i.e. a game you will all hate and say that a lesser title is better because its different to what everyone thinks is good.

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#64 BadNewsBen
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[QUOTE="BadNewsBen"]One reason for this. Battlefield 3. Anyone saying it isn't the #1 reason for a sales decline is kidding themselves. Now, I hope I'm wrong and the COD franchise redefines itself, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.-ArchAngeL-777-
Then how is it that MW3 broke the first week sales record when BF3 was released before it? People just flat dont like MW3 online as much as Black Ops. A lot of folks went back to playing Black Ops. BF3 doesnt have enough content to tank a COD game. BF3 has only 12 or so maps including Back to Karkand. Half of those are COD wannabe maps that arent even legit Battlefield experiences. That shooter got old faster than any other I have played.

I never said it took COD down. What I said was, it took a bite out of its sales. Hell, until I got COD for Christmas, I had no intentions of buying it because I already had BF3. I wasn't going to buy both.
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#66 DeadMan1290
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Not surprised. I mean, there are much better games that Activision can focus on rather than CoD every single year. They've turned this franchise into a Need For Speed or FIFA game. I enjoyed Black Ops and the first 2 MWs, I haven't tried MW3 yet, because I feel there are MUCH better games in the current market that I can pay 60$ for. And it seems like people are seeing that. Finally.

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#67 Pug-Nasty
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CoD is a piece of crap, but it's not like BF is any better. In the end, all these modern military games are garbage, and it doesn't look like that will change anytime soon.

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#68 BadNewsBen
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[QUOTE="BadNewsBen"][QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"] Then how is it that MW3 broke the first week sales record when BF3 was released before it? People just flat dont like MW3 online as much as Black Ops. A lot of folks went back to playing Black Ops. BF3 doesnt have enough content to tank a COD game. BF3 has only 12 or so maps including Back to Karkand. Half of those are COD wannabe maps that arent even legit Battlefield experiences. That shooter got old faster than any other I have played.sts106mat
I never said it took COD down. What I said was, it took a bite out of its sales. Hell, until I got COD for Christmas, I had no intentions of buying it because I already had BF3. I wasn't going to buy both.

there are more people on Xbox live playing skyrim than battlefield 3 source :http://majornelson.com/

What does that have to do with what I am saying? Battlefield 3 took a bite out of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3's sales. That is what I'm saying. There are people who bought BF3 to get their competitive multiplayer fix instead of COD. The games are similar enough that you wouldn't need to buy both.

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#69 Master_ShakeXXX
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About time. People are finaly starting to realise how mediocre MW3 is.

They must be moving over to the infinitely superior Battlefield 3.

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#71 Merex760
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It's only a matter of time before CoD ends up like Guitar Hero. It's what Activision does. I'm just wondering what will be next after Activision has sucked CoD dry.

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#72 Mr_Cumberdale
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well that might have something to do with MW3 sucking. black ops is infinitely better...

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Yup. I see a ton of people still playing BO to this day. Much more polished than MW3.
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#73 el3m2tigre
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This could only be considered a good thing.

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#74 FashionFreak
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So instead of making $1 billion, they make $0.9 billion?

HUGE difference! :P

It's still a load of cash

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#75 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

well that might have something to do with MW3 sucking. black ops is infinitely better...

Mr_Cumberdale

Yup. I see a ton of people still playing BO to this day. Much more polished than MW3.

I'll agree with this as well. Black Ops was a damn fun game and I played it for quite a few months. MW3 is crap by comparison and I'm never buying another Infinity Ward CoD again.

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#76 BadNewsBen
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[QUOTE="BadNewsBen"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] there are more people on Xbox live playing skyrim than battlefield 3 source :http://majornelson.com/sts106mat

What does that have to do with what I am saying? Battlefield 3 took a bite out of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3's sales. That is what I'm saying. There are people who bought BF3 to get their competitive multiplayer fix instead of COD. The games are similar enough that you wouldn't need to buy both.

I agree it took a slice, skyrim took a lot of potential customers also though, its third most played game on Xbox live right now. there is still 300,000 online in mw3 Xbox live peak UK hours too, so its not dying, yet

Ah okay, I see what you mean now. I'm sure Skryim didn't help either, you're right.
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#77 MLBknights58
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People seem to be forgetting that even a huge drop in Call of Duty sales is still more than triple of any other exclusive franchise or even another multiplat franchiseprobably.

This thing ain't going anywhere folks. Instead of making 5 billion they make 4 or 3.5.

Lol.

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#78 Messiahbolical-
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[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

well that might have something to do with MW3 sucking. black ops is infinitely better...

Master_ShakeXXX

Yup. I see a ton of people still playing BO to this day. Much more polished than MW3.

I'll agree with this as well. Black Ops was a damn fun game and I played it for quite a few months. MW3 is crap by comparison and I'm never buying another Infinity Ward CoD again.

This is exactly what I was talking about in my post. COD isn't necessarily dying, but IW is definitely. People(aside from the little 12 year old squeaker "l33t quickscopers" that IW caters to) are losing trust in IW to develop a good game, while Treyarch on the other hand seems to get better and better as developers with each release. It's like a complete turnaround ever since Infinity Ward changed.

Treyarch games will continue to sell really high unless Treyarch games start getting worse instead of better, but IW games will fall in sales with each release unless they do something soon to step up their game.

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#79 VoodooHak
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I think the point of it all is that Modern Warfare has hit a plateau. And it needs to mix things up a bit if they don't want to see a decline.

Let Treyarch at the series again. They did some pretty cool things with Black Ops. I'd like to see what else they can come up with.

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#80 TrapJak
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MW3 was horrible, so it's not really a shock that the sales are low.

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#81 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Hopefully this will push them to change the series. Unless they want it to end up like GH

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#82 FrozenLiquid
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Excellent ... Excellent. My plan is working.

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#83 tjricardo089
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Good, hope the trend continues. Heil68

God speed son, God speed.

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#84 BPoole96
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I talked 2 friends out of buying it. Everyone should do the same

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#85 Doolz2024
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Word has spread of just how bad a game MW3 is, obviously.
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#87 kozzy1234
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About time, MW2 and MW3 are horrid games.

COD 1 and 2 I loved, COD4 was not to bad at all, but wow the series really has fallen off imo.

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#88 Am_Confucius
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most of the people who got black ops got it for zombies.

No zomobies means no sales

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#89 david_lck
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I'm not all that surprised really, Black Ops was a much better game.
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#90 Wasdie  Moderator
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About time, MW2 and MW3 are horrid games.

COD 1 and 2 I loved, COD4 was not to bad at all, but wow the series really has fallen off imo.

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They aren't horrid, they are just stale. Their impact on the industry has been negative as of late.

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#91 Demonfail
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Generally sells start to decrease(as well as quality) when you have a title with the same name coming out every year. Activision really needs to give CoD a break for a year or two then come back with a title which us as gamers can enjoy playing.

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#92 Truth_Hurts_U
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I hope it does die. Skyrim's been smashing it's generic head open on steam since it was released. Only time MW3 beat it was when it was on sale for a day.
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#93 Lonelynight
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I wonder what game would be the next Cod.
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#94 eboyishere
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business 101 basically, oversaturated the market Thats why Black Ops and MW3 are at most 40 bucks instead of the overpriced 60
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#95 eboyishere
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I wonder what game would be the next Cod.Lonelynight

the next big one? probably respawn entertainment's game or bungie's.

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#96 super600  Moderator
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I knew that MW3 would have problems outselling BO.

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#97 metal_zombie
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all activision has to do save COD is replaced guns with swords and sniper riffles with bow & arrows I would totally buy that :P
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#98 AvnKnight
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Sorry but no its far from dying, thats barely a drop off in sales, not to mention the game madeover aBillion dollars already so I think CoD is doing alright. You just have to realize that sinceMW3 sold way more in its first week then Black Op's.That means everybody already bought the game, nobody trust the treyarch made CoD gameswhich is why more ppl boughtBlack Op'smonths later when they heard it might be decent.

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#99 XanderZane
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Ok, but can you tell me if BF3 sales increase year-over-year. I think you found your missing 50%. lol!!

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#100 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="free_milk"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I would hardly call that dying.

I would say the sales are finally slowing down because A) people are getting sick of the same thing over and over and B) there is much stiffer competition with BF3.

Wasdie

battlefield 3 sucks i hardly see any competition just dedicated fanboys.

It doesn't suck, you're just a blind fanboy who can't see a quality shooter. Sorry that you need killstreaks, perks, and ridiculously overpowered weaponry in maps the size of the average living room to have fun.

nah bf3 is pretty bad not saying mw3 is any better lol MW1 is much better than bf3 tho, assuming you play S&D and not lolish tdm.