Can PS4 become the greatest console of all time?

@MonsieurX said:

@lglz1337 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@lglz1337 said:

@Legend002 said:

It's looking that way. Look at the list of accomplishments so far. What more do you want?

• ton of exclusives (new IPs and old)
• very diverse library (Xbox is a shooterbox, Wii U is... idk what it is)
• best third party support (from all over the world JP/NA/EU)
• best console hardware
• over 50% marketshare
• Shenmue 3, FFVIIR, TLG

/thread

Let's see.

Ton of exclusives? Besides Infamous(not new IP) and Bloodborne("new") that scored well... KZ,Knack(new IP),Driveclub(new IP),The Order(new IP) all flopped

Diverse library? Multiplats, the same same on X1 and PC,mostly.

Same as last point

Eh,weak laptop cpu sauce

Multiplat,multiplat, lol TLG

is this a hermit that still has no goty exclusive since 2004 ?

keep hyping multiplats herm, have you seen the pc conference ? NOBODY CARES

As usual

Nobody was talking about goty exclusives nor PC games

Got rekt and now he's gone

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Possibly in time, not now

Well, Sony did many things right, this time: hardware design (powerful and easy to develop for), redesigned controller, massive dev support, etc.

In my opinion, it has a chance to be up to the best (side by side with Megadrive, Snes, Playstation 1 and 360), but we will only be able to judge it's library by the end of the gen.

Not a chance, 360 will hold that crown for the next couple of decades.

This gen, Only X1 has a real shot at the title. :P

Sure, if you only started gaming this gen. Even then, that argument is questionable at best.

@FoxbatAlpha: Hey im just saying.

nope. third party exclusives used to rule in previous gens. i dont think sony studios can measure up with the amount of exclusives in previous gen.

Probably not. And, FF7 and Shenmue 3 are multiplats.

I dont think so, as sad as it seems, i think PS4 will have a weaker library then ps3 and how thats possible, i have no clue. Something weird happened in the industry. Maybe gme take longer, or developers working on PC and Mobile, i dont know, time will tell i guess.

Cows are living in a fantasy world.

What's kinda weird is how their fans say Sony 'won' based mostly on nostalgia and hype for games that probably won't be out for another two years. None of their big 3 announcements (ff7, shenmue3 or horizon) will realistically come out before 2017. Then they hype up multiplats like exclusives.

What's even funnier is how Sony went out and bought COD exclusivity, yet all the Sony fans always rail on Xbox as the 'dude bro' console. My guess is it was done to appeal to all the 360 converts, but it's still kind of hypocrisy at its finest.

Look at their track record:

UC4 still isn't out. DeepDown still isn't out. NMS still isn't out. Dragons Dogma Online still not out. KUF2 still not out. But I'm supposed to believe three new games (two not even in development yet) will be out by next year? Not a chance.

I'm not a jrpg fan so neither FF7 or Shenmue 3 appeal to me at all. FF7 to me is a pretty overhyped game (yes blasphemy to the Sony crowd I know) my old roommate was a FF fan I used to watch him play it, but it's not a game I would really ever play. I guess it's ok if you like turn based games. But imho ppl mostly hype praises on it because it was the first FF they played. Everyone's first great love can never do anything wrong. Anyway, that's just my opinion and I can actually see that if FF is your thing then that announcement was big. Shenmue 3 is also running off nostalgia. If Sony really believed in it why would they kickstart it? Seems kinda suspect.

The sad thing is Sony actually has some games that I'm actually interested in but they gave almost zero info on them. (Rime, Vast, Wild, Abzu to name a few) hopefully they have something on them at Gamescom.

But anyway, the point is you really have to be wearing fanboy goggles to be calling the PS4 the greatest console ever at this point. They have had one decent exclusive (Bloodborne) in almost 2 years, and even their own ppl admitted their lineup is sparse for the rest of this year. I'm just wondering what they are putting in the KoolAid to have so many ppl strung along like they do?

They are PR wizards I guess.

No, that title belongs to the PS2. That console had it all, exclusives AND 3rd party titles.

No, and it's not even close. many regard the PS2 as the best console of all time(for good reason, it's one of my top consoles) But 1st off it had nothing to dow ith power or features. the PS2 was the weakest system that gen. the xbox and game cube were more powerful. what made it the greatest of that gen was the huge library of games. When you think of how great the PS2 was you think GTA3, FF, MGS, DMC, RE, TR, those series as exclusives were the reasons to own a PS2. But all of those were 3rd party and all have gone stale and/or multiplatform. We'll never see as many exclusives as we did before. back then it was much cheaper to buy 3rd party exclusives. If you look at PS4 and what only it can offer you, it's not even close to what the PS2 offered. Plus back then, PC gaming was a lot less popular. Now almost every big console game goes to PC as well.

PS4 is barely at the end of its 2nd year running.

And its already outselling the PS2 by a wide margin. Its the one console thats got the highest chances ever, of getting even close to the PS2, in an era where its got a competition which the PS2 generation which didn't had (smartphones).

@tonitorsi: Uhm, I'm talking solely about games. Couldn't give a **** less about sales. A console is defined by its games not its fucking sales. PS2 had games, games, games. PS2 had games in high quality, quantity and variation. PS4 is lackluster in all of these areas as are the other consoles.

Sales..lol, absolute bloody nonsense. PS4 could have 100 million sales for all I care, but that means absolute bugger all when there are only two games I feel are worth buying the console for.

@darkangel115: Couldn't agree more.

well just so you know..for me..xbox only has one game I would buy the ONE for...and thats a remastered game at that..lol...MCC is the only thing of interest on xbox..thats it for me..Im no dang fanboy of any one system..I love all games..BUT so far NIN has disappointed on all levels..MS is not doing anything new or innovative to me..and SONY is not doing any worse..Accept Sony has a couple other games that I want. AND I sit in hopes for remastered Twisted Metal 2 and SSX Tricky..I know SSX is multiplat,but I love playing them on PS more than the other systems..

SO if we go by games...SONY wins for me.. IF we go by sales I guess SONY wins "from what I understand"...AND if we go by whats being hyped as the console to have this gen so far...its SONY...

It could have been if it was able to keep games like Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, Final Fantasy 15, Final Fantasy VII remake etc exclusive

There is very little parity between XBone and ps4. Can't say playstation has done anything to earn any real accolades this far in its life.

Did y'all know ps4 doesn't even know what a CD is? Guess that rules out backwards compatibility.

That's why its pay to play online...

@charizard1605: There may never be a system as good as the PS2 was. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say the PS2 was the last truly great system, period. The only other system to come close is the PSP. Some people may argue with me for whatever reason, but I say this because it ended up having such a diverse library of games as well as three exclusive Final Fantasy games, one of them extremely important story wise to the franchise. It had Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max, Wipeout, Dynasty Warriors, Monster Hunter, and a host of other great games, excluding FPS games for the most part because of the lack of a second analog stick, but that may have been part of what forced the little system to rely on better, and more creative games.

Anyway, after PS2, lets get real here. Rampant day one dlc, buggy games on release, long install times, having to rely on online to increase game play time instead of just making a longer game, fewer jrpgs, more shooters, qte - all trouble that started with the arrival of the PS3 and 360, and it's gotten worse with the Xbone and PS4. The result is Sony now claiming the PS4 is the new home of CoD (what, no other Killzone games in the works?), hardly any other real RPGs coming out besides Persona and FF XV as well as the FF VII remake whenever it comes out, competing for exclusive content for games like Destiny, day one DLC for games like Evolve, movie games with dat cinematic feel...

And on and on and on I could go. I just feel like gaming just is not what it used to be. Most of the systems on up through the PS2 just had a lot of great games, with the exception of Sega CD, 32X, etc...but even then, those systems had great games.

I guess the arrival of the internet and consoles' ability to connect as well as tech getting more powerful has really just changed my favorite hobby. Whether that is a good or a bad thing in the long run, we'll see. I'm getting really tired and I'm loosing my train of thought. Posting and off to bed.

This.

The PS2's library will not be exceeded for a long time, if ever. Sure the PS4 is good, but best console ever? Not by a long shot.

Well, i think the worth of a home console is defined by the quality of its games, mainly its exclusives. Exclusives are the reason to buy one system over the other, at least for me.

It might as well could have been the greatest console of all times if games like Shenmue 3, Persona 5, FFVII Remake, Final Fantasy 15 and Metal Gear Solid V would have been exclusive on it. That's not to say i'm not happy that games are released on multiple platforms (especially PC), i'm ecstatic, but fact remains that they're not exclusive to the PS4.

Nope. It doesn't come anywhere near the SNES, Mega Drive, PS1 or PS2.

You could have answered all of that with a "Fucking" or with a "****" in every sentence you just typed for whatever reason and the outcome of this conversation will still be the same. So try chill pills before attempting to structure sentences together every now then -------> pro-tip.

So, sales or not including sales, the synopsis of what I'm trying to get through you, is still the same.

PS4 is barely at the end of its 2nd year running. How the shit do you expect it to exceed everyone and their holy momma with so little time? Try to be more realistic.

Its already got a bigger Third Party tittle list than either the Wii U or Xbox One. It has MORE exclusive titles than Xbox One, and has more upcoming 1st party exclusives, 2nd party exclusives and console exclusive titles than either Xbox One or Wii U AND its selling more than either by colossal margins. Almost 2-to-1

So, the verdict is that.... the PS4 is well on its way to accumulate a success to near PS2-levels on both games (& sales) front(s) since it has blown up way past either Xbox 360, PS3 and probably Wii in terms of video game titles at the same time frame.

This November ends the 2nd year of the PS4's career and enters its 3rd year on the run. We'll have a more centralised idea of where the PS4 is heading games and sales wise compared to other console generations.

@MonsieurX said:

@MonsieurX said:

@lglz1337 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@lglz1337 said:

@Legend002 said:

It's looking that way. Look at the list of accomplishments so far. What more do you want?

• ton of exclusives (new IPs and old)
• very diverse library (Xbox is a shooterbox, Wii U is... idk what it is)
• best third party support (from all over the world JP/NA/EU)
• best console hardware
• over 50% marketshare
• Shenmue 3, FFVIIR, TLG

/thread

Let's see.

Ton of exclusives? Besides Infamous(not new IP) and Bloodborne("new") that scored well... KZ,Knack(new IP),Driveclub(new IP),The Order(new IP) all flopped

Diverse library? Multiplats, the same same on X1 and PC,mostly.

Same as last point

Eh,weak laptop cpu sauce

Multiplat,multiplat, lol TLG

is this a hermit that still has no goty exclusive since 2004 ?

keep hyping multiplats herm, have you seen the pc conference ? NOBODY CARES

As usual

Nobody was talking about goty exclusives nor PC games

Got rekt and now he's gone

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Paging @lglz1337

With two incredibly lackluster years under it's belt... NO!

@ToScA-:"So far extremely underwhelming compared to PS2. But then again most consoles are."

PS2 was the last good console.

It's becoming one of the worst, if we're to be brutally honest.

This also.