Can Sony compete next gen?

[QUOTE="sonny2dap"]quick reply to Tormentos because Im not quoting. 1) sorry your right an exclusive franchise that pretty much established a brand isn't important.

2)COD and GTA two of the most significant franchises in existence are irrelevant?.....and a perceived attachment to any brand is also irrelevant?

3) precisely my point Mario like the other franchises listed sells huge numbers and in the context of a console launch shift alot of hardware as well.

4) Pointless attack on xbox live fee's that steps around the point I was making.

5)Again pointless attack on xbox live. now feel free to reply but try and actually make sense.

You initially said "they do not have a mass draw franchise on the level of GTA, COD, Halo,Mario." I think what he meant by GTA/CoD being irrelevant is that if PS3 doesn't "have" them, nobody else "has" them either. They are just as much PS3 games as they are 360 games.

stupid question, Sony is about longevity and pleasing gamers WORLD WIDE, not just in the states. There are people in 3rd world countries that don't even know what an Xbox 360 is, but they sure as hell know what a PS3 is because they grew up on Sony consoles and even Nintendo consoles.

Microsoft had one good breakthrough gen, but even in MS's best gaming gen the RROD is a stain on the Xbox brand name that will never go away but lems like to sweep it under the rug lol.

rasengan2552

sony owned the first and second generation, jeez, calm down people, sony had to let someone get this shine

Chris_Williams

Are you actually implying that Sony let themselves get overtaken?

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stupid question, Sony is about longevity and pleasing gamers WORLD WIDE, not just in the states. There are people in 3rd world countries that don't even know what an Xbox 360 is, but they sure as hell know what a PS3 is because they grew up on Sony consoles and even Nintendo consoles.

Microsoft had one good breakthrough gen, but even in MS's best gaming gen the RROD is a stain on the Xbox brand name that will never go away but lems like to sweep it under the rug lol.

SecretPolice

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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

stupid question, Sony is about longevity and pleasing gamers WORLD WIDE, not just in the states. There are people in 3rd world countries that don't even know what an Xbox 360 is, but they sure as hell know what a PS3 is because they grew up on Sony consoles and even Nintendo consoles.

Microsoft had one good breakthrough gen, but even in MS's best gaming gen the RROD is a stain on the Xbox brand name that will never go away but lems like to sweep it under the rug lol.

rasengan2552

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]lol And yet everyone last gen had to buy at least 2 and perhaps 3 PS2's because it would stop reading disks. :o I think that may mean there were really only about 40 mil. PS2 gamers in all. :twisted: :P

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"]don't worry dude ,they cannot monopolise the games industry as it is us the gamers who ultimately controls what succeeds an fails in this industry, we set trend, we set the standard, we are bigger thn MS,MS don't stand a chance against us, no company doesdelta3074

Can Sony compete? Hello, Sony is in THE best position right now.

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[QUOTE="shadowkiller11"]Sony already has the crown in quality and Wii has the crown in sales, simple.javafriek

Quality is subjective, Sales is simplistic. I think the consoles which had the biggest impact in gaming is the Wii for motion control and Xbox 360 for online gaming and the eco-system it brought with it. Sadly there is nothing Sony brought to the table this gen, blu-ray perhaps but it hasn't really changed the face of gaming.

Id count quality as in how well the system works and the games for it...last november my Ps3 finally stopped reading disk and despite the fact that I think it was a messed up Black Ops disk fault, it was a launch system...during the lifespan of my launch Ps3 I went through 4 BRAND NEW(dont get used) 360s..My close friend went through 7(used)...as for games thats more opinion of which you like better but this year Id have to say the PS3 won in that area for sure...I will buy a Launch PS4 no problem but the next Xbox will get at least a 3-6 month wait

I can see Sony taking this generation in stride and learning from it. They lost a lot of market share, but they are far from losing the war (multiple generation war). If anyone is going to make a mistake it's MS. The more you have, the easier it is to fail. That's why this generation is such a loss for Sony. Even though they aren't far behind MS, they lost a lot to MS.

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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] hardy har har :lol: I had ONE from launch till 2006.rasengan2552

Seriously though, just forgetaboutit cause I'm done.

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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] hardy har har :lol: I had ONE from launch till 2006.rasengan2552

Firstly Nintendo Won this generation not Microsoft. More Wii's were sold than PS3's and xbox360. Also more DS was sold than everything else. Clear winner wouldn't you say?

2nd why would Sony give up in it's next generation? The new xbox is about to be made. The new Wii about to be released. And yet Sony is being the last one to make a new generation gaming console why? Probably because they still have plans for the ps3. In fact if they can pull it of latter it's possible the ps4 will have an advantage over the other systems. That's assuming they don't rush it again after seeing how nintendo and MS got ahead.

I dont think Sony can compete in the handheld war against Nintendo next gen.Vita looks like it will struggle against 3DS from the beginning unlike the PSP which was competetive in the beginning against the DS,the highest selling gaming device ever.Japan is the most important region for them and Nintendos strong, big names and combined with incredible third party support(Sonys last and major hope) e.g. with Monster Hunter it looks impossible for Sony to gain anything.

In the console race it will be a very close race and whoever wins it between Sony,Microsoft,Nintendo,he wont have a lead of more than 20 million at the top.Microsoft and Nintendo look stronger than they looked before this gen started but Sony can still get far.

In SW we care too much about sales.Gamecube e.g. sold 20 million units and was a 2-3 million below Xbox but it made much more profit for Nintendo unlike the Xbox,which was all about losses for Microsoft..In SW it was third but in real life the N Cube was minimum secound places as it made so much profit for Nintendo.Companies dont go and just look at the numbers of consoles sold and declare winner,they look at the profit margin.Nintendo could have sold 200 million Gamecubes if they charged only 10 bucks for each unit ,so they would be at the top in SW(and in bragging rights), but in real life Nintendo would go simply bankrupt and die.

So my point with the Gamecube example is,that Sony may not win the top position next gen in the console wars but it is very likely they will sell millions of units and will be profitable enough to continue for future generations

MS would start partnering with all mayor gaming companies and providing proprietary tools that only work on their system to create the games. They will sign exclusive deals about creating games with only those tools. .kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] MS would start partnering with all mayor gaming companies and providing proprietary tools that only work on their system to create the games. They will sign exclusive deals about creating games with only those tools. .delta3074

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"]SONY are putting online pass on all there exclusives, not exactly monopolising but not a good thing either imo.Allthishate

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] MS would start partnering with all mayor gaming companies and providing proprietary tools that only work on their system to create the games. They will sign exclusive deals about creating games with only those tools. .kuraimen

MS will always be a threat, MS has always been a threat, for one reason and one reason alone,

MONEY, they have enough of it to market and market hard, enough money to convince the population that poo is edible, I mean look at kinect.

Holy eco-system batman!!! Gotta love them buzz words eh.

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stupid question, Sony is about longevity and pleasing gamers WORLD WIDE, not just in the states. There are people in 3rd world countries that don't even know what an Xbox 360 is, but they sure as hell know what a PS3 is because they grew up on Sony consoles and even Nintendo consoles.

Microsoft had one good breakthrough gen, but even in MS's best gaming gen the RROD is a stain on the Xbox brand name that will never go away but lems like to sweep it under the rug lol.

SecretPolice

MS will always be a threat, MS has always been a threat, for one reason and one reason alone,

MONEY, they have enough of it to market and market hard, enough money to convince the population that poo is edible, I mean look at kinect.

Zaibach

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MS will always be a threat, MS has always been a threat, for one reason and one reason alone,

MONEY, they have enough of it to market and market hard, enough money to convince the population that poo is edible, I mean look at kinect.

Allthishate

I'm not dictating what is an inferior product and what isnt, but on the balance of probabilities, the means and finances to push almost any product.

I used kinect as example because MS was able to pool 500 million dollars behind pushing the product, that is a gargantuan amount

JUst SaYing

[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

MS will always be a threat, MS has always been a threat, for one reason and one reason alone,

MONEY, they have enough of it to market and market hard, enough money to convince the population that poo is edible, I mean look at kinect.

Zaibach

I'm not dictating what is an inferior product and what isnt, but on the balance of probabilities, the means and finances to push almost any product.

I used kinect as example because MS was able to pool 500 million dollars behind pushing the product, that is a gargantuan amount

JUst SaYing

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[QUOTE="Allthishate"] that sounds like sony trying to convince people 600 dollars was the best thing on earth . Same could be said wiht both companies. plz dont try to frame MS trying to trick people in being and inferior product . my sister loves dance central and ya its on kinect i guess she buys @$5 products. Allthishate

I'm not dictating what is an inferior product and what isnt, but on the balance of probabilities, the means and finances to push almost any product.

I used kinect as example because MS was able to pool 500 million dollars behind pushing the product, that is a gargantuan amount

JUst SaYing

And that is why MS is potent competitor, I think your letting SW cloud what my original OP meant, I wasnt bashing MS, I was just saying in pushing thier brand product they have a financial advantage over sony

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[QUOTE="shadowkiller11"]Sony already has the crown in quality and Wii has the crown in sales, simple.javafriek

Quality is subjective, Sales is simplistic. I think the consoles which had the biggest impact in gaming is the Wii for motion control and Xbox 360 for online gaming and the eco-system it brought with it. Sadly there is nothing Sony brought to the table this gen, blu-ray perhaps but it hasn't really changed the face of gaming.

^^^I doubt it is much of a selling point now due to standalones being half the price, but that wasn't always the case. PS3 was an excellent value as a blu-ray player just a couple of years ago where only cheapo players actually undercut the PS3 in price (yet the PS3 was considered one of the better players despite having a price competitive to standalones). A good chunk of early PS3 adopters were videophiles just looking for the best movie player possible, and certainly the PS3 helped Sony/Panasonic win out over Toshiba and HD-DVD. Blu-ray was a big reason I bought my PS3, it would have been too expensive back then for me to buy both a gaming console AND a standalone blu-ray player. Now obviously a few years later I've had a couple of standalone players. But still, even if we're watching movies in a standalone player Sony is probably happy because it also benefits from people utilizing the blu-ray format itself - regardless of brand.

I think the question is will M$ be able to compete next gen?

Sure M$ started off pretty strong,but now they are finishing with very little to no exclusive games and the price of live doesnt help much either as i suspect they will raise it again.And not to mention that the first 4/5 years were devestating for the 360 as well as they were good because of the red ring issue.I mean it took them like 4/5 years to get it right which is pretty bad.

Sony's only bad move was the price tag and the lack of good exclusives at launch but sony is doing great now as it always has and i just dont see sony failing like M$.Well ok,cant forget the hack attempts but that doesnt change the fact that sony still delivers great exclusive games.

Thats my opinion.

I, for one, plan on supporting Sony next gen. Since nothing has been revealed about the new Xbox or PlayStation, it's difficult to say now. The Vita does look good though and i'll definetley buy one.

As this generation winds down I don't see Sony overtaking MS and regain its crown. Sony made some mistakes which cost them this generation i.e over priced hardware, no online strategy, dev kits etc etc. I'm begining to wonder if they will be able to compete next gen as the trend moves towards more socially connected and eco-system focused. Microsoft is clearly drawing the battle lines and laying the foundations already with this falls dashboard update. Once Windows 8 comes out Xbox live will be on PCs, Tablets, Phones and Consoles. Sony has a wealth of content but seems fragmented. Will they be able to bring all of this together in a unified eco-system which will be easy to use? Perhaps Sony should use Android OS for the PS4 and plug into its eco-system. We may see new players next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Google join the fray, not to mention cloud based setups like Onlive. In my opinion I think MS is in the best position right now and have a strategy in place.

K-76

Sony will definately compete next gen and they will be even better at it. They have the most talented1st party devs under their belt and have a strong fanbase aswell, plus Sony always has some new hardware tech that always becomes the standard later, PS1 CD format, PS2 DVD, PS3 Blu Ray, and I'm sure the PS4 will have something up it's sleeve. One thing though is that PS4 will proabably have party chat considering that the PS Vita has it, so it's getting xbox live features so that will be interesting to see. I just hope they don't over price their system and they get thier **** together with their network security. This hack stuff is getting annoying and Sony does share some of the blame for it now, ya it's mainly the hacker fault, but they still have a responsiblity to secure it.

Overall though Sonyhas beenprettygood this gen, alot of people (mostly lemmings) call the PS3 afailure which isn't true at all. Sure thePS3 had it's mistakesand road blocks, but Sony seems to havegotten over them and the PS3is selling like crazy. Plus they have some of the bestexclusives this gen out of anyoneelse IMO. I just hope they don't change the controller design next gen, I love the PS3 controller and sure it could have a few improvements, but I want the same design.Also I hope they keep PSN free next gen, but the main thing is the games andSony has that down perfectly. Something that MS can currently learn from.

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As this generation winds down I don't see Sony overtaking MS and regain its crown. Sony made some mistakes which cost them this generation i.e over priced hardware, no online strategy, dev kits etc etc. I'm begining to wonder if they will be able to compete next gen as the trend moves towards more socially connected and eco-system focused. Microsoft is clearly drawing the battle lines and laying the foundations already with this falls dashboard update. Once Windows 8 comes out Xbox live will be on PCs, Tablets, Phones and Consoles. Sony has a wealth of content but seems fragmented. Will they be able to bring all of this together in a unified eco-system which will be easy to use? Perhaps Sony should use Android OS for the PS4 and plug into its eco-system. We may see new players next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Google join the fray, not to mention cloud based setups like Onlive. In my opinion I think MS is in the best position right now and have a strategy in place.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] sony forcing mandatory online play isint that trying to monopolies the 2nd hand game industry(essentialy killing of a huge corporation game stop) ????. o no that's totally different im wrong cuz sony cant do no wrong . Allthishate

As this generation winds down I don't see Sony overtaking MS and regain its crown. Sony made some mistakes which cost them this generation i.e over priced hardware, no online strategy, dev kits etc etc. I'm begining to wonder if they will be able to compete next gen as the trend moves towards more socially connected and eco-system focused. Microsoft is clearly drawing the battle lines and laying the foundations already with this falls dashboard update. Once Windows 8 comes out Xbox live will be on PCs, Tablets, Phones and Consoles. Sony has a wealth of content but seems fragmented. Will they be able to bring all of this together in a unified eco-system which will be easy to use? Perhaps Sony should use Android OS for the PS4 and plug into its eco-system. We may see new players next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Google join the fray, not to mention cloud based setups like Onlive. In my opinion I think MS is in the best position right now and have a strategy in place.

K-76

I'm certain they can compete.

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As this generation winds down I don't see Sony overtaking MS and regain its crown. Sony made some mistakes which cost them this generation i.e over priced hardware, no online strategy, dev kits etc etc. I'm begining to wonder if they will be able to compete next gen as the trend moves towards more socially connected and eco-system focused. Microsoft is clearly drawing the battle lines and laying the foundations already with this falls dashboard update. Once Windows 8 comes out Xbox live will be on PCs, Tablets, Phones and Consoles. Sony has a wealth of content but seems fragmented. Will they be able to bring all of this together in a unified eco-system which will be easy to use? Perhaps Sony should use Android OS for the PS4 and plug into its eco-system. We may see new players next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Google join the fray, not to mention cloud based setups like Onlive. In my opinion I think MS is in the best position right now and have a strategy in place.

AzatiS

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"][QUOTE="K-76"]

As this generation winds down I don't see Sony overtaking MS and regain its crown. Sony made some mistakes which cost them this generation i.e over priced hardware, no online strategy, dev kits etc etc. I'm begining to wonder if they will be able to compete next gen as the trend moves towards more socially connected and eco-system focused. Microsoft is clearly drawing the battle lines and laying the foundations already with this falls dashboard update. Once Windows 8 comes out Xbox live will be on PCs, Tablets, Phones and Consoles. Sony has a wealth of content but seems fragmented. Will they be able to bring all of this together in a unified eco-system which will be easy to use? Perhaps Sony should use Android OS for the PS4 and plug into its eco-system. We may see new players next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Google join the fray, not to mention cloud based setups like Onlive. In my opinion I think MS is in the best position right now and have a strategy in place.

Allthishate

[QUOTE="K-76"]

As this generation winds down I don't see Sony overtaking MS and regain its crown. Sony made some mistakes which cost them this generation i.e over priced hardware, no online strategy, dev kits etc etc. I'm begining to wonder if they will be able to compete next gen as the trend moves towards more socially connected and eco-system focused. Microsoft is clearly drawing the battle lines and laying the foundations already with this falls dashboard update. Once Windows 8 comes out Xbox live will be on PCs, Tablets, Phones and Consoles. Sony has a wealth of content but seems fragmented. Will they be able to bring all of this together in a unified eco-system which will be easy to use? Perhaps Sony should use Android OS for the PS4 and plug into its eco-system. We may see new players next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Google join the fray, not to mention cloud based setups like Onlive. In my opinion I think MS is in the best position right now and have a strategy in place.

AzatiS

As this generation winds down I don't see Sony overtaking MS and regain its crown. Sony made some mistakes which cost them this generation i.e over priced hardware, no online strategy, dev kits etc etc. I'm begining to wonder if they will be able to compete next gen as the trend moves towards more socially connected and eco-system focused. Microsoft is clearly drawing the battle lines and laying the foundations already with this falls dashboard update. Once Windows 8 comes out Xbox live will be on PCs, Tablets, Phones and Consoles. Sony has a wealth of content but seems fragmented. Will they be able to bring all of this together in a unified eco-system which will be easy to use? Perhaps Sony should use Android OS for the PS4 and plug into its eco-system. We may see new players next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Google join the fray, not to mention cloud based setups like Onlive. In my opinion I think MS is in the best position right now and have a strategy in place.

K-76

[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] hmmm I'm not sure what you're talking about there. Mandatory online play? But anyways, Sony hasn't ever have the 95% of the market on electronics or consoles so they haven't managed to dictate things like M$ does. I find M$ much more shady and unethical than most companies out there.ianuilliam