Can the Xbox 360 be defended...

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

Can you make an argument that the Xbox 360 is the best console considering the following points:

1. Possible 33% failure rate. That's a little high, maybe 10 to 20% Mine hasn't failed yet.

2. The only console that makes you pay for online play Make that GREAT online play and who can't afford $50 a year?

3. Short life cycle (opinion) (opinion) Maybe, but don't base it on the original Xbox. They should get 5 years out of the 360.

4. Disc space issues (PGR4, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, UT3) Are you too lazy to get up and change a disc?

5. Not a lot of great exclusive titles in 08 Halo Wars and Ninja Gaiden II come to mind right of the bat. Except for PS3 which has all its delayed '07 titles coming out next year, what does the Wii have?

6. Rumors of Bungie leaving They only made Halo so far and Microsoft will retain the rights. They will probably go multi-plat.

7. Disc Scratching issues (opinion) You should not drive and play. I have no issues.

8. Worst design (opinion) (opinion) The PS3 looks like a wing... Wii is a wee bit blockish. I like the design of all 3 actually.

knowing this, can you still argue against all of the competition? Yes

Cobalt75

Nice. Really Nice. And I totally agree.

Wrong again and still batting a 1000 !

Free repair for 3 years and have owned up and made the changes; bigger heat sink& 65 mm chip !

Now Nintendo needs to refund all Wii buyers with a true this gen console and were even ! :)

PS: The Tribe is beating the Yankees so no way to put me in a foul mood :)

SecretPolice

It only applies to the RROD. What about disc scratching? Loud noises? Freezing and crashing? Plus, a 3 year warranty isn't a solution, it's a band aid. If the consoles don't last after the 3 years are up, where does that leave you? That's right, looking for another console.

If anyone needs to refund anyone it's MS after the shoddy console they brought to the market. Next gen? What good is next gen and games if you have to wait a month for a new console to get back to you? Heck, what good is it if it breaks down outside the warranty?

And no one is trying to put you in a foul mood. If you do, then you take SW too seriously.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Wrong again and still batting a 1000 !

Free repair for 3 years and have owned up and made the changes; bigger heat sink& 65 mm chip !

Now Nintendo needs to refund all Wii buyers with a true this gen console and were even ! :)

PS: The Tribe is beating the Yankees so no way to put me in a foul mood :)

Zhengi

It only applies to the RROD. What about disc scratching? Loud noises? Freezing and crashing? Plus, a 3 year warranty isn't a solution, it's a band aid. If the consoles don't last after the 3 years are up, where does that leave you? That's right, looking for another console.

If anyone needs to refund anyone it's MS after the shoddy console they brought to the market. Next gen? What good is next gen and games if you have to wait a month for a new console to get back to you? Heck, what good is it if it breaks down outside the warranty?

And no one is trying to put you in a foul mood. If you do, then you take SW too seriously.

Whats the point in a Gamecube with a new controller if the games are no better than last-gen's or often worse? Oh thats right, brand it properly and it'll make lots of money so it doesn't matter. I can't ask Nintendo to replace it with some decent capabilities.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Wrong again and still batting a 1000 !

Free repair for 3 years and have owned up and made the changes; bigger heat sink& 65 mm chip !

Now Nintendo needs to refund all Wii buyers with a true this gen console and were even ! :)

PS: The Tribe is beating the Yankees so no way to put me in a foul mood :)

tomarlyn

It only applies to the RROD. What about disc scratching? Loud noises? Freezing and crashing? Plus, a 3 year warranty isn't a solution, it's a band aid. If the consoles don't last after the 3 years are up, where does that leave you? That's right, looking for another console.

If anyone needs to refund anyone it's MS after the shoddy console they brought to the market. Next gen? What good is next gen and games if you have to wait a month for a new console to get back to you? Heck, what good is it if it breaks down outside the warranty?

And no one is trying to put you in a foul mood. If you do, then you take SW too seriously.

Whats the point in a Gamecube with a new controller if the games are no better than last-gen's or often worse? Oh thats right, brand it properly and it'll make lots of money so it doesn't matter. I can't ask Nintendo to replace it with some decent capabilities.

Since it isn't a GC with a new controller, I don't know what else to say to that. *shrug*

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Wrong again and still batting a 1000 !

Free repair for 3 years and have owned up and made the changes; bigger heat sink& 65 mm chip !

Now Nintendo needs to refund all Wii buyers with a true this gen console and were even ! :)

PS: The Tribe is beating the Yankees so no way to put me in a foul mood :)

Zhengi

It only applies to the RROD. What about disc scratching? Loud noises? Freezing and crashing? Plus, a 3 year warranty isn't a solution, it's a band aid. If the consoles don't last after the 3 years are up, where does that leave you? That's right, looking for another console.

If anyone needs to refund anyone it's MS after the shoddy console they brought to the market. Next gen? What good is next gen and games if you have to wait a month for a new console to get back to you? Heck, what good is it if it breaks down outside the warranty?

And no one is trying to put you in a foul mood. If you do, then you take SW too seriously.

MS will replace any hardware problem for FREE !

Especially if someone like yourself who seems to whine about things !

Mine was fixed for FREE though it never got the 3 red lights and I got my new one back in 3 weeks Sept. 25th N/K !

You just need to get off the Name-Plate fanboy kick and the V.G. Ind will look so much better to you when compared to the fleecing "N" is doing to you & yours right now ! :?

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Wrong again and still batting a 1000 !

Free repair for 3 years and have owned up and made the changes; bigger heat sink& 65 mm chip !

Now Nintendo needs to refund all Wii buyers with a true this gen console and were even ! :)

PS: The Tribe is beating the Yankees so no way to put me in a foul mood :)

Zhengi

It only applies to the RROD. What about disc scratching? Loud noises? Freezing and crashing? Plus, a 3 year warranty isn't a solution, it's a band aid. If the consoles don't last after the 3 years are up, where does that leave you? That's right, looking for another console.

If anyone needs to refund anyone it's MS after the shoddy console they brought to the market. Next gen? What good is next gen and games if you have to wait a month for a new console to get back to you? Heck, what good is it if it breaks down outside the warranty?

And no one is trying to put you in a foul mood. If you do, then you take SW too seriously.

Whats the point in a Gamecube with a new controller if the games are no better than last-gen's or often worse? Oh thats right, brand it properly and it'll make lots of money so it doesn't matter. I can't ask Nintendo to replace it with some decent capabilities.

Since it isn't a GC with a new controller, I don't know what else to say to that. *shrug*

It might as well be.

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

007_jamesbond

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one there is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first year (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

Medjai

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one their is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

Thats great and all, but PS3's first year isn't over yet, especially in the U.K.
There getting MGS4,Killzone 2,GT5 in there first 8 months of launch. YOu wonder why the 360 is going to be embarrased this gen, going from 1st to last.

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

Medjai

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one there is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first year (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

I and others have said that in the past few months but the cows just try like heck to ignore the fact ! :?

[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

Adrian_Cloud

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one their is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

Thats great and all, but PS3's first year isn't over yet, especially in the U.K.
There getting MGS4,Killzone 2,GT5 in there first 8 months of launch. YOu wonder why the 360 is going to be embarrased this gen, going from 1st to last.

[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

SecretPolice

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one there is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first year (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

I and others have said that in the past few months but the cows just try like heck to ignore the fact ! :?

Playstation 3 was released NOv.11 here.
MArch 23 in Europe.
Thats still not a year.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

Medjai

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one their is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

Thats great and all, but PS3's first year isn't over yet, especially in the U.K.
There getting MGS4,Killzone 2,GT5 in there first 8 months of launch. YOu wonder why the 360 is going to be embarrased this gen, going from 1st to last.

Error on my part, i just checked Wiki.

Your thread was about last gen arguments being used to defend the PS3, this tread is about the majority of system wars supported a console that doesn't seem to doing very well.

I did read some of your thead, has the thread went on it seemed more and more that it wasn't just about last gen arguments but an argument against the PS3.

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

007_jamesbond

how is it not doing very well? only the pc beats it.

and as for graw, well it wasn't so why does it matter?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

Adrian_Cloud

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one there is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first year (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

I and others have said that in the past few months but the cows just try like heck to ignore the fact ! :?

Playstation 3 was released NOv.11 here.
MArch 23 in Europe.
Thats still not a year.

If it launched at the same time 360 did, it's still not matching what the 360 has already done?

Why did you get a PS3 instead of 360 again?

Oh yeah, it's 200.00 more and has Sony on the name plate - Okiey Dokie !

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

Adrian_Cloud

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one there is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first year (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

I and others have said that in the past few months but the cows just try like heck to ignore the fact ! :?

Playstation 3 was released NOv.11 here.
MArch 23 in Europe.
Thats still not a year.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

Zero-G_basic

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one there is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first year (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

I and others have said that in the past few months but the cows just try like heck to ignore the fact ! :?

Playstation 3 was released NOv.11 here.
MArch 23 in Europe.
Thats still not a year.

Even the Xbox 360 owners I know in real life say PDZ is crap. Only hardcore lemmings will try to use PDZ as a legit AAA. It's like Wario Ware but worse.

The RROD is a much bigger problem than Lems want to think. Seriously, if the system is so great, why did it take 2 years to sell 10 million units? And having to pay $50 a year for XBL is laughable when they aren't even giving people dedicated servers to play on.Timstuff

Fanboyism !

You just gotta have that Nintendo or Sony name plate our it just is no fun ? :)

Some day it just might be that I say: WTH is wrong with gamers ( fanboys ) does it have to have the MS name plate to be cool !

I sure hope not but i'm afraid it's the nature of the beast ! :(

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

GRAW would have been released for PS3 had it been out...

SecretPolice

dude just stop

PS3 might have a AAAE in its first year

360 did

so until PS3 get one there is no arguement here

Xbox1 came out a year after the PS2 that didn't stop it from having a AAAE in its first year (even at launch) and Xbox1's games looked better than PS2's immediately something we have yet to see from the "more powerful" PS3

I and others have said that in the past few months but the cows just try like heck to ignore the fact ! :?

Playstation 3 was released NOv.11 here.
MArch 23 in Europe.
Thats still not a year.

If it launched at the same time 360 did, it's still not matching what the 360 has already done?

Why did you get a PS3 instead of 360 again?

Oh yeah, it's 200.00 more and has Sony on the name plate - Okiey Dokie !

I actually have a 360 :|
last gen i didn't have an xbox, so i thought i'd see what i missed out on. Most games are backwards compat , when i got it and i heard they weren't i was pretty Psd.

So no, its not a joke.

[QUOTE="turgore"]

Yes it can . Great games/thread.

Cheaper than PS3 /thread / thread.

007_jamesbond

Thats all I ever hear from 360 fanboys. What are you guys going to say next year when the PS3 overtakes the 360 in that too?

Quote?:I actually have a 360
last gen i didn't have an xbox, so i thought i'd see what i missed out on. Most games are backwards compat , when i got it and i heard they weren't i was pretty Psd.

So no, its not a joke.

Plz splain that again?

You didnt have a xbox ( presume, no xbox games ) but you are mad b/c some are not B.C?

Tell me that is not you're big deal with the 360 plzzzzz? :?

Quote?:I actually have a 360
last gen i didn't have an xbox, so i thought i'd see what i missed out on. Most games are backwards compat , when i got it and i heard they weren't i was pretty Psd.

So no, its not a joke.

Plz splain that again?

You didnt have a xbox ( presume, no xbox games ) but you are mad b/c some are not B.C?

Tell me that is not you're big deal with the 360 plzzzzz? :?

SecretPolice

:| You missed my 2nd comment... MOST GAMES ARE BACKWARDS COMPAT. meaning that the majority games i have for the original xbox i can play. This was not the case when i first got 360, thats why i was pissed.

The only problem i have with it is the reliability, i'm really liking Otogi 2 right now.

Can you make an argument that the Xbox 360 is the best console considering the following points:

1. Possible 33% failure rate

2. The only console that makes you pay for online play

3. Short life cycle (opinion)

4. Disc space issues (PGR4, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, UT3)

5. Not a lot of great exclusive titles in 08

6. Rumors of Bungie leaving

7. Disc Scratching issues

8. Worst design (opinion)

knowing this, can you still argue against all of the competition?

007_jamesbond

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Quote?:I actually have a 360
last gen i didn't have an xbox, so i thought i'd see what i missed out on. Most games are backwards compat , when i got it and i heard they weren't i was pretty Psd.

So no, its not a joke.

Plz splain that again?

You didnt have a xbox ( presume, no xbox games ) but you are mad b/c some are not B.C?

Tell me that is not you're big deal with the 360 plzzzzz? :?

Adrian_Cloud

:| You missed my 2nd comment... MOST GAMES ARE BACKWARDS COMPAT. meaning that the majority games i have for the original xbox i can play. This was not the case when i first got 360, thats why i was pissed.

The only problem i have with it is the reliability, i'm really liking Otogi 2 right now.

Otogi & 2 were very unapreciated , happy to hear you are a fan of that series as it was so darn good but missed by many.

Happy gaming man - sorry about the mix up.

Can you make an argument that the Xbox 360 is the best console considering the following points:

1. Possible 33% failure rate

2. The only console that makes you pay for online play

3. Short life cycle (opinion)

4. Disc space issues (PGR4, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, UT3)

5. Not a lot of great exclusive titles in 08

6. Rumors of Bungie leaving

7. Disc Scratching issues

8. Worst design (opinion)

knowing this, can you still argue against all of the competition?

007_jamesbond

2. it's 14 cents a day and xbl works flawlessly after 5 years of experence. tons of demos free tv episodes and movies everyonec in awhile is pretty sweet.

3. Good, bring the next one out already I got the disposable income for it.

4.what disc space problems? 20 years of dvd marketing has brainwashed me into believing multi disc sets are a good thing.it's the same game just on more discs, and blu-ray is an albatross around sony's neck.

5.How many new ip'scame out of nowhereto be suprise hits and even one goty contender? more than a few. Other people can list specific exclusives and many can match(if you are not emotionally attached to MGS)the few exclusives that Sony has. Add better multiplats in 90% of the cases and your argument has no teeth.

6.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

7.Never seen it happen to me or any of the many people I know with the system. I'm sure it's a real problem but no epidemic like the rlod. Don't move the system while it's on and you are pretty much safe from that one.

8.Design? get real. The PS3 is as ugly as 5 miles of bad road, no hdmi cable is included which means the PS3 does 480i out of the box and the controller charge cable is 2 foot long, plusthe sixaxis is a joke in comparison to the 360 controller(not counting the awesome D-pad)It's a fingerprint magnet, It gets so hot that it heats up the second half of my living room, if the power is interupted or you lose your ISP in the middle of a firmware update it bricks the entire system and it won't work with my universal remote because it's freakin blutooth. For real man you should be embarrassed to even have put # 8 on there.

Seriously man, I own a PS3 and know whereof I speak. My PS3 is at best atm a secondary console that I use for a few games and to watch dvds on so I can get a bit more life out of my 360. I won't defend the 360 being a pile of crap but at least the software is worth the hassle and that's more than anyone can say about the PS3.

[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]is there a specific, faulty argument that's used multiple times a day that can be easily disproven that made you create this thread?CaseyWegner

The xbox 360 has better games is an argument I hear a lot

I think this is only becuase it was released earlier. According to game rankings, the Xbox 360 had 5 AAEs after 11 months, most of which were at launch. It took an entire year for the 360 to get its first AAA (gears of war) yet people are getting on the PS3 because it doesn't have that. If Ratchet and Clank gets AAA, then the PS3 will have its first AAA FASTER then the 360.

I also think that the PS3's spring 2008 lineup will tie it with the Xbox 360 and Final Fantasy (probably in fall) will put it forever ahead. With games like God of War III in 2009 the PS3 won't look back from there.

words can not describe how absolutely stunned i was when i read that. because this is a parody of my thread, i'm reasonably sure that it means you read my thread.

as for the rest of your post, graw came out long before gears.

So did Perfect Dark Zero.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]is there a specific, faulty argument that's used multiple times a day that can be easily disproven that made you create this thread?XanderZane

The xbox 360 has better games is an argument I hear a lot

I think this is only becuase it was released earlier. According to game rankings, the Xbox 360 had 5 AAEs after 11 months, most of which were at launch. It took an entire year for the 360 to get its first AAA (gears of war) yet people are getting on the PS3 because it doesn't have that. If Ratchet and Clank gets AAA, then the PS3 will have its first AAA FASTER then the 360.

I also think that the PS3's spring 2008 lineup will tie it with the Xbox 360 and Final Fantasy (probably in fall) will put it forever ahead. With games like God of War III in 2009 the PS3 won't look back from there.

words can not describe how absolutely stunned i was when i read that. because this is a parody of my thread, i'm reasonably sure that it means you read my thread.

as for the rest of your post, graw came out long before gears.

So did Perfect Dark Zero.

Too bad it was crap. Most people agree that playing Perfect Dark Zero will actually make you like the original Perfect Dark less, which is really sad. No wonder people hold Goldeneye in a higher regard than PD.

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]is there a specific, faulty argument that's used multiple times a day that can be easily disproven that made you create this thread?Timstuff

The xbox 360 has better games is an argument I hear a lot

I think this is only becuase it was released earlier.According to game rankings, the Xbox 360 had 5 AAEs after 11 months, most of which were at launch. It took an entire year for the 360 to get its first AAA (gears of war) yet people are getting on the PS3 because it doesn't have that. If Ratchet and Clank gets AAA, then the PS3 will have its first AAA FASTER then the 360.

I also think that the PS3's spring 2008 lineup will tie it with the Xbox 360 and Final Fantasy (probably in fall) will put it forever ahead. With games like God of War III in 2009 the PS3 won't look back from there.

words can not describe how absolutely stunned i was when i read that. because this is a parody of my thread, i'm reasonably sure that it means you read my thread.

as for the rest of your post, graw came out long before gears.

So did Perfect Dark Zero.

Too bad it was crap. Most people agree that playing Perfect Dark Zero will actually make you like the original Perfect Dark less, which is really sad. No wonder people hold Goldeneye in a higher regard than PD.

PDZ was a great game launched in 2005 !

Anyone can argue all they want that GS somehow over rated it but I can tell you this; Some of my friends could not be talked into playing Gears online over PDZ online- the fact is it's all opion and GS's doesn't differ that much from other reputable sites who reviewed the game back in 2005 !

Maybe you should fault you're company of choice, Sony for not launching RFOM in 2005 so at least you had a leg to stand on ! :?

I think those are real concerns and fanboys for that console will continue downplaying them.Zhengi

Agreed, even though I own a 360 in addition to a PS3. Someone else in this thread said that the 360 is a love it/hate it system, and this hits the nail on the head for me. As I love the exclusives that it has/will have, therefore, I had to have one. But, the console itself is a piece of junk, and that much is pretty much a proven fact, and even has Microsoft's admission that ALL 360's have a design flaw.

They just waited over a year to admit it that it was a faulty design and decided to put a band-aid on a gushing wound with the 3 year warranty instead of just....fixing the problem. And no, it is not proven that the new Falcon chips will resolve the issue either. Time will tell I suppose.

I personally am on my 2nd 360, and while the customer support was great, and I recieved a replacement unit in 2 weeks exactly, the hassle and worry of how many times am I going to have to go through this on a console that I doled out 400.00 for is just slightly irritating to say the least. So in regard to the reasons listed by the TC, no it cannot be defended logically at all by anyone within their right mind.....good games or not, lol.

33% that is BS its not that high.KillaHalo2o9

Can you make an argument that the Xbox 360 is the best console considering the following points:

1. Possible 33% failure rate

2. The only console that makes you pay for online play

3. Short life cycle (opinion)

4. Disc space issues (PGR4, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, UT3)

5. Not a lot of great exclusive titles in 08

6. Rumors of Bungie leaving

7. Disc Scratching issues

8. Worst design (opinion)

knowing this, can you still argue against all of the competition?

007_jamesbond

Nuh uh. The PS3 is as heavy as Rosie O' Donnel, and the Wii is too teensy. The 360 is slender and delicious. And faceplates are cool too.

But most of your other points are good too.

Can you make an argument that the Xbox 360 is the best console considering the following points:

1. Possible 33% failure rate

2. The only console that makes you pay for online play

3. Short life cycle (opinion)

4. Disc space issues (PGR4, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, UT3)

5. Not a lot of great exclusive titles in 08

6. Rumors of Bungie leaving

7. Disc Scratching issues

8. Worst design (opinion)

knowing this, can you still argue against all of the competition?

007_jamesbond

1. The only thing the Wii has going for it is sales. Other than that it is a mediocre gaming console at best.

2. The PS3 has yet to flaunt any title that is not scheduled for 2008 that actually makes the console worth buying.

3. The Wii has no online as of yet and the PS3 online capabilities are not standardized as much as Xbox Live which makes for an inferior online service (so far). I am sure if Sony becomes a real competitor in that aspect Microsoft will have to do something to stay ahead.

4. Wii has virtually no worth while titles for holiday 2007 and neither does the PS3 as stated earlier.

5. Yes the failure rate for the 360 is ridiculous (I have gone through three myself so I agree with you there).

6. Life cycle? How can you judge the life cycle so early?

7. Bungie? Rumors are rumors. Besides Bungie gets paid too much.

8. As for disc space, it don't think multiple DVDs (yet to see any) are really an issue unless you are really that lazy.