[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]Can ANYONE tell me why VGCHARTS is a BAD source for information? I also need PROOF!subrosian
Look at the site - VGchartz is one guy, in his basement, publishing his *estimates* as fact, who has *zero* access to insider information, and no means of proving his guesses. VGchartz cannot be shown to be *good information* - it can't be shown to be reliable, in fact, just google, and you will find hundreds of instances where it was off by several hundred thousand units on games sales -again, because it's made up.
Using VGchartz is essentially the same as believing that the white house is made of sphagetti, because some guy on the internet said so - and then demanding that people prove it isn't. Use a little common sense.
I found something from their own website:
With a growing team of analysts, over ten years of experience and with over twenty years of historical data at our disposal, VG Chartz should be seen as a very powerful prediction tool for industry and casual user alike in looking ahead to the future market and making educated and informed predictions.
You could have just shown me this instead of your opinion and I would of immediatly agreed with you. See what a little research can muster?
Why are you being condescending? I mean really, you don't know me. I'm more than happy to spend a few hours showing you a stastical analysis of VGchartz if it would make any difference, cite the sources of their data, link you to a few dozen instances where they've been wildly off, and break down for you the cycle of deception they use. But, the vast majority of people here don't have the mathematics background to properly grasp it, I'd wind up spending hours having to explain how they were incorrect in their "rebuttals", and inevitably we'd have someone say "look how close they were! they try to be right, don't hate blah blah blah blah I'm gullible".
People do it all the time - I've found this fight a few hundred times, I've listed data, a few hundred times, I've made the same post time and time again, and I'm sick of it. So, I came to a simple conclusion - people are going to be idiots, and we can't stop them, and we're going about it wrong. We're going about it wrong "owning" them by showing them how *horribly* inaccurate their beliefs are - so let's do it the daytime TV way:
VGchartz is nothing more than a Miss Cleo, they take a few legitimate things to lend credit to a lot of stuff they're just making up. Yes, just like people who claim to "talk to the dead" they're good at what they do, and they make sure to make it look like they're right (in vghcartz case, by never subjecting themselves to any kind of acid test - they destroy their old data, and don't provide access to their claims, nor do they sit down and show you all the times they were wildly off by pitting their predictions against actual data).
Unfortunately VGchartz gets away with it, and frankly it will continue to get away with it - because there are people out there who want to believe. They want to believe this unmitigated stream of crap, they like the idea of having access to numbers that frankly they don't understand. They like it - because they want some justification for believing they things they believe, and saying the things they say. "I want right! The sales prove I'm smart!"
Sad, absolutely pathetic, but what can we do? How do we make gullible people stop behaving stupidly?
No need to get all upset. And I wasn't condescending, I was just pointing out that instead of using an opinion, it would have been of more value to just find some proof that VG charts was a bad source for information regarding sales. I don't think that paragraph was proof that VG charts is a bad source, but it was from their own site, and all sales sites use predictions for current data. It's pretty hard to get an exact figure.
Next question (and don't take this the wrong way), can you find me a site that is reliable for games and/or console sale figures?
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