Can we talk about the ending of TLOU? (spoilers)

Exactly. His humanity died with Sarah. Ellie doesn't bring that back, she's just something else for him to fight for.

The ending was very satisfying for me... and thought provoking.

Yeah, I can understand drawing that conclusion. In fact, that's actually a cool way of looking at it. After I beat the game a second time, I got to thinking about how the whole world would have been better off if he never existed or perhaps died in the original outbreak.

If they do a second TLoU (Which, in a way, I hope they wait til the end of Gen 8 to do), I hope they do more to paint him as a villainous or conflicted person. It adds a depth to the game you just don't see in the typical "Misunderstood Billy McBadass Antihero" stories you get shoved down your throat these days.

Honestly, I really hope Ellie and Joel have nothing to do with the new game. That was such a perfect story, I dont want to know what happens to them. lol

Not for the first 15 min of the game, he's actually a pretty decent father then after those first 15 min you can see why he changed and you can't tell me you would still be a cheery eyed fellow if you witness the same crap Joel did. Also he does change to an extent when he becomes Ellies "guardian/father figure" yea he's still a douche but it's the freaking apocalypse....why would you be a cheery eyed fellow during that?

The ending naturally fit the story. Other people in this thread described it perfectly, so it would only be repeating what has been said thus far. Some people describe Joel as a mass murderer or an evil character, but I guess I just never saw him as such; especially considering that such talks are kind of removed from the context of the story itself.

I was saying that to my buddy on the way home.

It was the most practical ending that they could have had with what they wrote before it. Anything else would have come off as ridiculous or straight stupid.

On a purely gameplay level? Hell no, that's an awesome segment(not the running from them with ellie stuff, why are we spoiler tagging if the entire thread is meant to be a spoiler? come on now). I enjoyed that shoot out with the military at the end. Hoping from cover to cover, breaking line of sight, sneaking around, only to get timely headshots with shooting mechanics that don't allow you to get away with spray and praying. I want a shooter straight up with Last of Us's mechanics(gunplay with some heavy recoil, and the ability to break the enemy line of sight, turn the standard encounter into more of a cat and mouse game).

Now, you have to look at what Joel has to deal with. Humanity has gone to shit and he has stated that he's been both the hunter and the hunted so he knows whats up. I think that he does change, yea he doesn't lose that ruthless attitude but I can see him change,

I wouldn't even put a score on the DLC (such a waste of a SP DLC), I already know what happens from what Ellie was talking about in TLOU, then there's the whole comic that also tells what happened to Ellie and her friend. I don't need a third source telling me/showing me what happened cause after the other 2 sources, I don't fraking care, yea it was cool to play as Ellie again but they could've done something different then the shyt I already know what the outcome is gonna be,

Oh I agree that the gameplay of TLOU was awesome, I just felt they were running out of idea's when they did that last segment.

Simply calling Joel a bad person is dumb. He's a product of his environment.

At the start of the game he's introduced to us as a single father raising his daughter on his own, he then loses her and watches the world go to absolute shit.

I don't think there's a single actually "good" character in the game, except Ellie. Everyone is looking out for themselves to survive, take Henry and Sam for example.

I agree completely. The ending should've been where they hear of a scientist that was known to be working on a way to do the surgery without having to kill the person. They then go out to try and find him and when they finally do he's dead from the disease. They then search for his work to see if they can find it. They eventually find it, but it states that it's never been tested and is experimental. They take it to that hospital that's at the ending and they perform the surgery not knowing if she will live or die. He is praying at Ellie's bed side for her to live after the surgery and after 3 days she wakes up and the world is saved and they live happily ever after. The ending that they chose is of a selfish antisocial man that chooses to take Ellie off somewhere and live together not knowing how long they'll live and to let humanity die off.

I thought it was excellent. It wasn't a traditional ending at all, it left me thinking about the ending far after I beat the game. Joel is not a good person, but he fought for the one thing left in the world that he loved.

Even if that meant dooming the entire world.

Bioshock Infinite has a crap ending also.

None of my friends liked TLoU's ending.

One of the most gripping endings ever. I would of done exactly what Joel did.

*facepalm*

you really are just useless. You criticize others for being immature, and then you act like a child.

I liked the ending and I think it sets up well for a sequel that takes place when Ellie is all grown up.

LMFAO that is an incredibly shitty ending.

The most fun I had with the gameplay was early on during my first run through when it was really hard to find supplies. It was f'ing killing me that I walked by a locked door with no shivs and spent like 20 minutes checking every single nook and cranny for a pair of God damn scissors. Eventually I had to move on and I hated myself. There was also that first fight with the Bloater in the school that took me about 10 tries to beat because after barely making it through the infected in the school I think I had one bomb, 3 shotgun shells and maybe 3 pistol rounds and thats it. Beating that asshole was so satisfying.

@mems_1224: gotta disagree. He becomes able to love again. I never believed he was in love with Tess.

huh? I never said he was in love with Tess.

@mems_1224: no way. Something to fight for? His display of a multitude of emotions completely contra ducts that being all. Opening up, sharing about Sarah, relating they would have gotten along indicates there was love their.

Was blown away by how things unfolded.

But the ending left me with more questions than answers.

How the Fireflies came to be, what happens during those long 20 years Joel flashes through before the start of the game, what happens now that we know the truth about about Ellie, etc>etc>etc.

Its a very huge world. With vast potential for expansion. This all reeks that a sequel is in order.

The ending was pretty good. Great compared to a lot of other games with awful endings.

I got the vibe he at least did a couple of "all nighters" with Tess or at least thought about it, I mean you could tell their was some sexual tension between them to fill a oil tanker.

True, but not necessarily.

Like technically yes it was just the hospital building stuff, with more enemies and now they have guns, but it was a proper evolution of what they did. If anything it makes sense in terms of pacing. The most aggressive group of enemies with their best set of equipment, at a point where you should have just about everything. So I thought it made sense. I would have liked something other than carry Ellie out in this cinematic run thing, but whatever it worked.

I don't know, if anything I'd argue that segment might turn people off for the following reasons

A: Your favorite part wasn't necessarily the shooting, and I personally think that while you can be sneaky that part does require you to be a bit more aggressive with the guns

B: It suffers from Resident Evil 4. Where the rest of the game was so good, that nothing could quite fit the bill as a proper finisher: Saddler for instance solid boss fight, but RE 4 deserved something better than solid for a final boss.

what I don't like about that last part is the tapes, where there is doubt that the cure would work, and one of them out right tells you it's a lie. To me that feels like a cop out to save Joel face(especially since he barely acknowledges it in game after he listens to it). That seemed like a pusscake move on Naughty Dog's part.

Whose alternate account is this?

so edgy

I'm not the one defending lazy arguments. You want to have an intelligent discussion about the GOAT The Last of Us?

Start by putting some thought into your words.

I wasn't defending his argument. Hell I didn't even make the same argument he did. I was criticizing your need to come into a thread where legitimate and civil discussion was occurring for once in SW and start slinging around childish fanboy insults.

@Ballroompirate: oh absolutely. But there would have been a stronger reaction to her end if it had been love, imo.

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I thought the operation was a little rushed, but that was the only part that I felt was particularly unbelieveable. I kind of wish they gave some medical notes, actual medical notes about how the fungi bypasses the immune system etc., on the researchers'/doctors' digital recorders.

the only people he's ever really cared about were either killed or threatened by other people. Sarah was killed in a failure of an attempt to cover the outbreak, fireflies would have killed Ellie for a CHANCE at a cure, David wanted to molest and then likely kill Ellie, Tess was gunned down by people, his brother's town was attacked by people, etc.

Yes, Joel may have been ruthless and he may have killed some innocent people acting just like how those people who ambushed them in Chicago acted, but it was all to survive and then it was to protect. He wouldn't have made it if he wasn't willing to do some bad things.

There wasn't really time for him to mourn or feel sorry for Tess, plus Tess made Joel promise her (a dying promise btw) he will see to Ellie getting to the Fireflies safely. Then you got to factor in Joel has lost his family (except his Brother) and all of his friends, so the man is pretty much a shell.

Plus we all grieve differently as human beings, some people cry with an insane outburst while some will mourn later in thought and a few beers and the list goes on and on with different ways people mourn death of loved ones.

@Ballroompirate: excellent points. Just in the conversing between Ellie and Joel after, there a slow but steady increase in him "opening up" that was written so well. One of my favorite parts of the writing.

Plus the conversation with Bill and Joel when Bill asks about Tess, Joel never tells Bill what happened to Tess.

I couldn't had got the operation for her anyway, I killed all the doctors in that room, unless a post apocalyptic world is vast with doctors. So even if Joel told Elle the truth, tough luck. I believe a cure wouldn't had helped much anyway, not many people are "bitten", more like they are ripped apart, which a cure couldn't help with, spores are negated with the use of masks, seemed like few zombies are left in the world anyway, humans are the biggest issue to be dealt with in TLOU's world. So with all that in mind the game I played through did'nt really grip me like it did 99% of others.

This is it right here. This is the entire point that that paid MS shill Tom McShea completely missed with his troll review.

A lot of loser types like Tom McShill justify societies shunning them with staunch sanctimonious convictions. They see themselves as hero's and are quite often self righteous as a way to rectify the fact that they are wack. They're not fun and nobody gives a **** about them because, of course, they are doing the hard work of the world, being that moral authority. The very fabric the very message of The Last of Us: That the world isn't black and white, that sometimes good people do bad things, sometimes bad people do good things, and that often times most people fall somewhere in between just trying to survive, that can never resonate with a self-righteous PoS loser like Tom Mcshea.

No, just no.

@Ballroompirate: absolutely.

That's a cool ending. Better than a selfish antisocial ending Joel chose. Yay, go off and die slowly while the world dies.

You probably like the ending of Bioshock Infinite where 4 of her drown him to death at the end too.

lol no, that ending you gave is f***ing horrible.

the ending was perfect, i hate the cliched happy endings we get in 99% of games. hell, i don't even care for stories in most games but this one had me hooked. it honestly made me depressed for about a week after playing it. it really blows my mind that naughty dog could create such a grim game.

You probably like Bioshock Infinite's ending also where 4 of her drown him to death, the character you play.

Loved how it ended. Very poignant.