Capital wasteland vs Mojave wasteland ?

no sewers > Sewers.

thats should be enough of an argument to appreciate the west.

plus I live out here so it's kind of a given. both are great games though.

Capital Wasteland easily. In my opinion the Mojave Wasteland didn't feel post apocalyptic. In the Capital Wasteland you really feel like the world has no hope. It's a desolate and extremely dangerous wasteland yielding many rewards for those brave enough to venture out deep into it. The gloomy, dark setting felt much more atmospheric to me as well.

brickdoctor

I felt that the Mojave region is far more dangerous, given that there are large numbers of areas that low level characters simply can't survive in, while Fallout 3 seemed to have more level scaling/peaceful areas.

Oh, and New Vegas' setting feels much more realistic (and definitely more like a Fallout game), with farming and mining towns all over the place, interspersed with frontier villages and built-up cities. As opposed to Fallout 3, where most of the people seemed to just live in the rubble, or out by themselves with no obvious food sources. I also prefer the colour and variety of New Vegas' environments, as opposed to Fallout 3's varying shades of brown and green.

I think Capital wastland has had more memorable locations so far (I'm still playing NV). I'm glad there is no dumb boring subway stuff.

Oh and I've come across one big bug in NV yesterday and now I can't beat the quest "Beyond the Beef". Before that I hadn't run into very many bugs.

I would say NV over 3. NV just feels more "lived-in" and also has more content in closer proximity. All capital wasteland has to trump is well known landmarks.

Oh and the most important improvement (environment wise) made in NV... removal of the stupid subway system! :|

I prefer Fallout 3 and the Capital in every way over new Vegas and the Mojave.

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

You know your including all that space around the main gaming area in Fallout NV which you can't explore, yeah open up your pit boy and look at all the area on the map you can't go to, it's not even part of the game world, just filler to make the map look bigger than it is In Fallout 3 every where on the map is accessibleSupabul

Capital Wasteland easily. In my opinion the Mojave Wasteland didn't feel post apocalyptic. In the Capital Wasteland you really feel like the world has no hope. It's a desolate and extremely dangerous wasteland yielding many rewards for those brave enough to venture out deep into it. The gloomy, dark setting felt much more atmospheric to me as well.

brickdoctor

I enjoyed the Capital Wasteland more too, it was much more interesting and entertaining to explore, as were the towns, the majority of New Vegas towns are either small, or just consist of a bunch of unnamed NPCs. And, yes, I'm aware New Vegas has more quests and locations, it still doesn't make those quests and locations nearly as interesting as Fallout 3's though.

StealthMonkey4

I'd like to see these "memorable locations" in Fallout 3 because I can't remember them for the life of me. :| In New Vegas you get: Novac (with Dinky the Dinosaur) Gomorrah Sunset Sarsaparilla Headquarters REPCONN Headquarters The Tops Vault 11 Lucky 38 Ultra-Luxe The King's School of Impersonation Jacobstown Black Mountain Red Rock Canyon HOOVER FREAKIN DAM Nipton Goodsprings Mojave Outpost And that's just from the locations I've discovered so far. Juggernaut140

New Vegas by a fair bit. There's no boring subway tunnels and there's more actual locations.

That said, the city itself was sorta underwhelming and there's still far too many invisible walls.

Edit: Also, New Vegas' vaults were all fairly boring and tame bar the jungle one.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]I'd like to see these "memorable locations" in Fallout 3 because I can't remember them for the life of me. :| In New Vegas you get: Novac (with Dinky the Dinosaur) Gomorrah Sunset Sarsaparilla Headquarters REPCONN Headquarters The Tops Vault 11 Lucky 38 Ultra-Luxe The King's School of Impersonation Jacobstown Black Mountain Red Rock Canyon HOOVER FREAKIN DAM Nipton Goodsprings Mojave Outpost And that's just from the locations I've discovered so far. heretrix

I like the capital wasteland better. THe mojave has too many annoying mountains that make me walk a mile down the ridge of it just to get to the top of it and try to go along only to be forced off by an invisible wall (Go the the South of the map and try to get to the location SE of the Searchlight Airport and South of the Flooded Vacation Houses, I've probably spent an hour trying to figure out how to get to it).

Also, the Mojave seems to have a lot of unless locations. There will be a whole office complex fileld with Ants or other annoying critters and I get to the end and all there is is a Sunset Sarsaparilla Bottle Cap

I'd like to see these "memorable locations" in Fallout 3 because I can't remember them for the life of me. :| In New Vegas you get: Novac (with Dinky the Dinosaur) Gomorrah Sunset Sarsaparilla Headquarters REPCONN Headquarters The Tops Vault 11 Lucky 38 Ultra-Luxe The King's School of Impersonation Jacobstown Black Mountain Red Rock Canyon HOOVER FREAKIN DAM Nipton Goodsprings Mojave Outpost And that's just from the locations I've discovered so far. Juggernaut140

Mojave wastleland is such a disappointment. New Vegas strip is dull and boring, the brotherhood of steel aren't as established as in fallout 3, , and overall the whole place is lacking any of that Vegas soul. Captial Wasteland is great because well for starters its bigger with more things to explore, it has subway and sewer systems, factories, slave trading, tennpenny tower, megaton, streets and a huge city, military bases, arlington cementary, pentagon, the mall is epic with super mutants and trenches, museums, Lincoln memorial the capital building, shesh I can name so many more things. and the vaults in fallout 3 are WAAAYY better. They are more interesting to explore. and do not forget fallout 3 is alot less buggier than fallout new vegas. im not saying new vegas is a bad game, just saying its not as good as fallout 3.

[QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

Capital Wasteland easily. In my opinion the Mojave Wasteland didn't feel post apocalyptic. In the Capital Wasteland you really feel like the world has no hope. It's a desolate and extremely dangerous wasteland yielding many rewards for those brave enough to venture out deep into it. The gloomy, dark setting felt much more atmospheric to me as well.

Juggernaut140

I enjoyed the Capital Wasteland more too, it was much more interesting and entertaining to explore, as were the towns, the majority of New Vegas towns are either small, or just consist of a bunch of unnamed NPCs. And, yes, I'm aware New Vegas has more quests and locations, it still doesn't make those quests and locations nearly as interesting as Fallout 3's though.

StealthMonkey4

Fallout 3 may not technically have more cities, but the ones it does have are far more interesting, and the quests are also more fun in Fallout 3, regardless of their lack of multiple endings. Also, there's not two, there's Megaton, Underworld, Rivet City, Tenpenny, Republic of Dave, Evergreen, Arefu, Paradise Falls, Bigtown, etc., and every one of those is far more interesting than anything I've encountered in the Mojave yet, they're not just filled with generic NPCs like all of New Vegas's towns.

Mojave wastleland is such a disappointment. New Vegas strip is dull and boring, the brotherhood of steel aren't as established as in fallout 3, , and overall the whole place is lacking any of that Vegas soul. Captial Wasteland is great because well for starters its bigger with more things to explore, it has subway and sewer systems, factories, slave trading, tennpenny tower, megaton, streets and a huge city, military bases, arlington cementary, pentagon, the mall is epic with super mutants and trenches, museums, Lincoln memorial the capital building, shesh I can name so many more things. and the vaults in fallout 3 are WAAAYY better. They are more interesting to explore. and do not forget fallout 3 is alot less buggier than fallout new vegas. im not saying new vegas is a bad game, just saying its not as good as fallout 3.

ReaperV7

I like the FO3 setting more since I recognized most of the landmarks. Outside of that I think they're equal.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="brickdoctor"] But that's not the point. This is hundreds of years after the bombs fell and civilization is supposed to be rebuilding itself. :| [QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

I enjoyed the Capital Wasteland more too, it was much more interesting and entertaining to explore, as were the towns, the majority of New Vegas towns are either small, or just consist of a bunch of unnamed NPCs. And, yes, I'm aware New Vegas has more quests and locations, it still doesn't make those quests and locations nearly as interesting as Fallout 3's though.

StealthMonkey4

Fallout 3 may not technically have more cities, but the ones it does have are far more interesting, and the quests are also more fun in Fallout 3, regardless of their lack of multiple endings. Also, there's not two, there's Megaton, Underworld, Rivet City, Tenpenny, Republic of Dave, Evergreen, Arefu, Paradise Falls, Bigtown, etc., and every one of those is far more interesting than anything I've encountered in the Mojave yet, they're not just filled with generic NPCs like all of New Vegas's towns.

I'd like to see these "memorable locations" in Fallout 3 because I can't remember them for the life of me. :| In New Vegas you get: Novac (with Dinky the Dinosaur) Gomorrah Sunset Sarsaparilla Headquarters REPCONN Headquarters The Tops Vault 11 Lucky 38 Ultra-Luxe The King's School of Impersonation Jacobstown Black Mountain Red Rock Canyon HOOVER FREAKIN DAM Nipton Goodsprings Mojave Outpost And that's just from the locations I've discovered so far. Juggernaut140

Mojave wastleland is such a disappointment. New Vegas strip is dull and boring, the brotherhood of steel aren't as established as in fallout 3, , and overall the whole place is lacking any of that Vegas soul. Captial Wasteland is great because well for starters its bigger with more things to explore, it has subway and sewer systems, factories, slave trading, tennpenny tower, megaton, streets and a huge city, military bases, arlington cementary, pentagon, the mall is epic with super mutants and trenches, museums, Lincoln memorial the capital building, shesh I can name so many more things. and the vaults in fallout 3 are WAAAYY better. They are more interesting to explore. and do not forget fallout 3 is alot less buggier than fallout new vegas. im not saying new vegas is a bad game, just saying its not as good as fallout 3.

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"]

Mojave wastleland is such a disappointment. New Vegas strip is dull and boring, the brotherhood of steel aren't as established as in fallout 3, , and overall the whole place is lacking any of that Vegas soul. Captial Wasteland is great because well for starters its bigger with more things to explore, it has subway and sewer systems, factories, slave trading, tennpenny tower, megaton, streets and a huge city, military bases, arlington cementary, pentagon, the mall is epic with super mutants and trenches, museums, Lincoln memorial the capital building, shesh I can name so many more things. and the vaults in fallout 3 are WAAAYY better. They are more interesting to explore. and do not forget fallout 3 is alot less buggier than fallout new vegas. im not saying new vegas is a bad game, just saying its not as good as fallout 3.

Juggernaut140

New Vegas sucks.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="max-Emadness"] srry meant to say fallout rpgwarmaster670

Uuuuh, how? you do realise that it being his favourite rpg would put it up agains the old fallouts too right?

i mean, really, how would that make it worse?

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

Well that's even worse... Juggernaut140

Uuuuh, how? you do realise that it being his favourite rpg would put it up agains the old fallouts too right?

i mean, really, how would that make it worse?

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="ReaperV7"]

Mojave wastleland is such a disappointment. New Vegas strip is dull and boring, the brotherhood of steel aren't as established as in fallout 3, , and overall the whole place is lacking any of that Vegas soul. Captial Wasteland is great because well for starters its bigger with more things to explore, it has subway and sewer systems, factories, slave trading, tennpenny tower, megaton, streets and a huge city, military bases, arlington cementary, pentagon, the mall is epic with super mutants and trenches, museums, Lincoln memorial the capital building, shesh I can name so many more things. and the vaults in fallout 3 are WAAAYY better. They are more interesting to explore. and do not forget fallout 3 is alot less buggier than fallout new vegas. im not saying new vegas is a bad game, just saying its not as good as fallout 3.

StealthMonkey4

New Vegas sucks.

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] Well that's even worse... TacticalDesire

Uuuuh, how? you do realise that it being his favourite rpg would put it up agains the old fallouts too right?

i mean, really, how would that make it worse?

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

[QUOTE="Supabul"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Sorry, 400>200, that's all there is to say, unless you have a degree in math and can disprove that inequation.

BigDaddyPOLO

lets just say that I consider New Vegas worthy of actually being called a Fallout game.

BTW, Fallout 3 is not larger then New Vegas, the map is just scaled differently. Vegas is slightly larger (as confirmed by the developers), has far more locations, far more quests, and far more NPC's.

and lol at the guy who said that BOS was well fleshed out in FO3.

and for the record, I think the best thing that Obsidian did was use material from Van Buren for this game. It also feels to me like Obsidian really didnt want this game to be open world, there is a lot of natural funneling via enviroments, quests, and difficult enemies.

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

[QUOTE="Supabul"] You know your including all that space around the main gaming area in Fallout NV which you can't explore, yeah open up your pit boy and look at all the area on the map you can't go to, it's not even part of the game world, just filler to make the map look bigger than it is In Fallout 3 every where on the map is accessibleLOXO7

i love mojave's vibe.

the blue skies. cowboy robots. nightstalkers. coyotes.

its got alot more personality than capital wasteland for mine.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] "the brotherhood of steel aren't as established as in fallout 3" You're kidding me right? Seriously. There is just so much wrong with this statement "its bigger with more things to explore" Already been addressed. It's not true. "it has subway and sewer systems, factories, slave trading, tennpenny tower, megaton, streets and a huge city, military bases, arlington cementary, pentagon, the mall is epic with super mutants and trenches, museums, Lincoln memorial the capital building," Oh boy... The subways/sewers that you were forced into in Fallout 3 were HORRIBLE and that is universally agreed. There is still factories (and they even look like factories this time). One of the main factions is a bunch of slavers and you can join them so I don't know what you're talking about. Tennpenny Tower is nothing special. It's either let the ghouls in or don't let them in. There is still "streets" (what? :?), Nellis Airbase, Camp McCarran, Camp Golf, and Camp Forlorn Hope are military bases. Arlington Cemetery has a snack cake factory right in the middle plus there was nothing worth seeing there. There is still super mutants (and super mutant towns). Yeah, the Lincoln Memorial was cool, I'll give you that but it's a given that those monuments would be there and it's not like they served any purpose. So far I've discovered that Fallout 3 was just as buggy months after its release as New Vegas is right now. The gameplay changes in New Vegas definitely put it over FO3. Better (AND MORE, LOTS MORE!) voice actors, skills actually serve a purpose in conversation as do SPECIAL points, and the things they unlock in conversation actually have an effect on things. Damage thresholds were an awesome addition making switching ammunition types a necessary thing in combat. I could go on and on dude. Juggernaut140

New Vegas sucks.

You're at a loss of words to even come back to that, New Vegas does truly suck.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Amazing? Yeah, they know who to make an amazing broken game. NV shows that they seem to not be able to make a game that isn't horribly broken. I'm digging NV quite a bit but I can't ignore the fact that the game is even buggier than Fallout 3, which is a pretty astounding feat. Even after the patch there are still broken quests.

heretrix

They make great games ... That happen to beplagued by bugs. I don't really care about bugs. Alpha Protocol is one of my favorite games this gen. Vampire The masquerades, a buggy mess is one of my favorite games of all time, along with NWN2.

I didn't find any bugs in Fallout 3 ... But i'm sure theree are many.

As for Alpha Protocol..I glad you liked it. It thought it was terrible, probably their worst game. No definitely.

I know they didn't make it. I was using it as an example of a game with a ridiculous amount of bugs that was still excellent.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

They make great games ... That happen to beplagued by bugs. I don't really care about bugs. Alpha Protocol is one of my favorite games this gen. Vampire The masquerades, a buggy mess is one of my favorite games of all time, along with NWN2.

I didn't find any bugs in Fallout 3 ... But i'm sure theree are many.

-Snooze-

As for Alpha Protocol..I glad you liked it. It thought it was terrible, probably their worst game. No definitely.

I know they didn't make it. I was using it as an example of a game with a ridiculous amount of bugs that was still excellent.

I definitely prefer the Mohave.

Less metro subway tunnels, more varied terrain, and I like the atmosphere.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

New Vegas sucks.

StealthMonkey4

You're at a loss of words to even come back to that, New Vegas does truly suck.

[QUOTE="Supabul"]

Fallout 3

I couldn't find a Fallout NV map weird but its not as big has fallout 3, the minute I started and looked at the map I knew it was smaller

N30F3N1X

Sorry, 400>200, that's all there is to say, unless you have a degree in math and can disprove that inequation.