Castlevania: Lords of Shadow will be on 2 discs (X360)

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#1 Tony-Baxter
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The lack of a Blu-ray drive on the Xbox 360 is working to the console's disadvantage. That's the message Mercury Steam boss David Cox had for Microsoft when showcasing Castlevania: Lords of Shadow. The new Konami title will ship on two Xbox 360 discs when it's released, compared to a single Blu-ray for the PlayStation 3 version. Cox said that the "storage problem" is due to the game's length - 24 hours - and unique art assets for each level. "Microsoft actually sent their tech guys to the studio to see the game and look at [how we're] compressing it, but they said: 'Okay, it's good. You're doing all you can'," Cox told Xbox World 360 (via CVG). "I think it's something Microsoft are going to experience more and more - that they need to help developers overcome the storage problem." He outlined that both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 have their share of "issues... but you have to work around them." The solution Mercury Steam is using involves offering an installation option within the first disc on the Xbox 360 version, so that players can enjoy the entire game by simply loading the second disc.
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#2 TheShadowLord07
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link or it didnt happen

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#3 JonSnow777
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Ummmmm. Harmony of Despair won't be on any discs. It's an xbox live game. Also, it will certainly be better than Lords of Shadow, because we all know that 3d castlevania games suck.

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#4 Tony-Baxter
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Ummmmm. Harmony of Despair won't be on any discs. It's an xbox live game. Also, it will certainly be better than Lords of Shadow, because we all know that 3d castlevania games suck.

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#5 NubTub_of_Win
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Ouch. That sucks. Having 1 scratch resistant Blu Ray Disc owns so much more. The things PS3 owners get to take for granted...

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#6 JonSnow777
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I would like to clarify that you fixed the thread title and that I am not a loony.

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#8 Riverwolf007
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360 = oh noes 5 or 6 games are on multiple discs

vs.

ps3 = oh noes 5 or 6 multiplats are better on ps3

all i can tell you is set your priority and make your choice.

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#9 TheShadowLord07
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[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

link or it didnt happen

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Link.

I was actually thinking he meant harmony of despair. wouldnt make sense cause its on xbox live.

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#10 SaltyMeatballs
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24 hour game?
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#11 FireEmblem_Man
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Well, it looks like I'll be getting the PS3 version then, unless they offer more to the 360 version.

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#12 Espada12
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Wait.. how long is this game? O.O

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#13 washd123
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again i said this on GT. its just terrible dev work.

theres maybe 3-4 games that have a legit reason for needing more than a dvd.

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#14 Espada12
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Cox said that - despiteHideo Kojima's involvement in LOS- cut-scenes weren't to blame. "They're pretty short," he commented. "Our longest one is 14 minutes, which is the end sequence... The game's around 24 hours long and every level's different. We have so much variety and we re-use very little assets."

24 hours.. wow. This game is either going to be awesome or really boring!

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Cox said that - despiteHideo Kojima's involvement in LOS- cut-scenes weren't to blame. "They're pretty short," he commented. "Our longest one is 14 minutes, which is the end sequence... The game's around 24 hours long and every level's different. We have so much variety and we re-use very little assets."

24 hours.. wow. This game is either going to be awesome or really boring!

Espada12

its going to be the combination of the two. awesome to others wile boring to thers

prooably will get it heres a demo or gets good reviews

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#16 SolidTy
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Well, I guess I'll just get the PS3 version, doesn't affect me...doesn't sound like too serious an issue though.

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#17 Caseytappy
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The question is , will the Ps3 version have a Mandatory install ?

If so , there is hardly a difference then !

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again i said this on GT. its just terrible dev work.

theres maybe 3-4 games that have a legit reason for needing more than a dvd.

washd123
You're CLEARLY in the position to tell devs how to make their games :roll: Crysis 1, Dirt 2, most current gen PC games are > 8gigs... They have 1 install dvd because its compressed on the disc, but consoles don't have that luxury of installing FULL games.
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#19 washd123
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[QUOTE="washd123"]

again i said this on GT. its just terrible dev work.

theres maybe 3-4 games that have a legit reason for needing more than a dvd.

zero_snake99

You're CLEARLY in the position to tell devs how to make their games :roll: Crysis 1, Dirt 2, most current gen PC games are > 8gigs... They have 1 install dvd because its compressed on the disc, but consoles don't have that luxury of installing FULL games.

actually no.

crysis 1 is 6gb fully uncompressed including the editor.

warhead is less than 6gb

fallout 3 is less than 6gb

assasins creed 6gb

STALKER less than 6gb

world in conflict 6gb

thats uncompressed with all the file settings.

if those games can take up less than 8gb almost any game can. crysis has levels than are bigger than some games in their entirety. same with Fallout 3.

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#20 Snugenz
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Its hardly more than an inconvenience to have a game on 2 discs but forgetting that, why do people complain about it now?, its not like MS will recall every 360 and retrofit a BR drive. :roll:

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#21 Grawse
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Hopefully it's not the same as the Mass Effect 2 disc swapping fiasco.

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Ummmmm. Harmony of Despair won't be on any discs. It's an xbox live game. Also, it will certainly be better than Lords of Shadow, because we all know that 3d castlevania games suck.

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Past 3D games for the series have been unsuccessful, this much is true. But that doesn't necessarily condemn all future projects to failure. All it takes is a developer to learn from the past mistakes of itself or others, and to apply that towards improving the process.

And the trailers of this game show much promise of being the first Castlevania game to do 3D right, by simply making it a 3D adaption of the 2D gameplay. I don't mean it'll simply be 3D graphics in a 2D side scrolling formula, just that it expands what the old games did into a 3D space, with how it evolves the whip combat, the massive boss battles, and the exploration of huge environments that are like the 2D castles but brought to life in gorgeous fully dimensional architecture which can immerse the players in the setting in ways the 2D games never could, and of course the evolved platforming and puzzle solving in a 3D space.

Make no mistake, this is the old school castlevania gameplay with all the trademarks you expect, but done in a new visual pallette, and enhanced with the high production cinematics and voice talent. I still stand by what I said earlier, this game looks to overtake Super Castlevania and yes, even Symphony of the Night. Oh yeah, I did go there :P

And as for the disc issue, I never had problems switching discs on the PS1, I won't have any problems doing so here. I mean it's probably only going to happen once during a chapter transition, and then you're just playing the continuation of the story progression from there. Plus as pointed out, mandatory installs is simply a substitute for disc switching, so it's an advantage that's negated.

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#23 Espada12
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And as for the disc issue, I never had problems switching discs on the PS1, I won't have any problems doing so here. I mean it's probably only going to happen once during a chapter transition, and then you're just playing the continuation of the story progression from there. Plus as pointed out, mandatory installs is simply a substitute for disc switching, so it's an advantage that's negated.

AdobeArtist

To be honest I don't see how disc swapping is an issue at all, it's as though gamers got lazier with every generation... complaining about disc swapping makes me wonder alot lol..... though two discs do hurt devs I'd assume.

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I couldn't care less for the 2 discs thing, but i have to say that i'm impress with how long the game it's suppose to be, like someone said, it's going to be really fun or really boring.

Personally, i'm hyped for this game, i'm a huge Castlevania fan, and i've liked some of the 3D ones (Legacy of Darkness) and this one looks top notch.

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#25 Tactis
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Disk swapping isnt a problem, I am interested that they said its gonna be 24 hours, I find that hard to believe but if true that would be awesome.
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Crap happens.

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#27 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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Hopefully it's not the same as the Mass Effect 2 disc swapping fiasco.

Grawse

What fiasco?

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#28 Episode_Eve
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Well, I guess this is good news in a way because the game will be pretty long right? :P

I'm not sure which system to get it on yet. Swapping discs mid game isn't much of a disincentive for me.

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#29 Dahaka-UK
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Last I heard this was 15 hour game.

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#30 lhughey
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Hopefully it's not the same as the Mass Effect 2 disc swapping fiasco.

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I don't know what you are talking about.
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#31 DJ-Lafleur
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I don't see the big deal behind disc-swapping. Good forbid you take 5 secoonds from your life to switch out one disc for another. :?

I am somewhat interested in Castlevania: Lord of Shadows. I've never played a 3D Castlevania before, so I don't know what to expect from the game.

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#32 True_Chaos_UK
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Im glad its on two disks, itindicates the games length will be good.

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#33 The_RedLion
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As long as it's less than 4, I don't care.
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#34 Karnage108
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Didn't stop me from buying Mass Effect 2 on 360 rather than PC, or enjoying it for that matter.
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remember when gamers only cared about playing the game?

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#36 washd123
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remember when gamers only cared about playing the game?

gamer-adam1

no actually considering it hasnt been that way since 1983

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[QUOTE="Grawse"]

Hopefully it's not the same as the Mass Effect 2 disc swapping fiasco.

lhughey

I don't know what you are talking about.

first part is on disc 1, second part is on disc 2, third part is on disc 1

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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

remember when gamers only cared about playing the game?

washd123

no actually considering it hasnt been that way since 1983

people never cared about disc swapping till this gen, people never cared about graphics till the first xbox. did everyone really kept making threads about games being on 2 discs when the PS2 first came out

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wow lol now I have seen everything. I can understand an RPG being on 2-3 discs for the 360 but a Hack n' Slash game? :o MS would be really stupid to stick it out with DVD next gen. Anyway Im definitely getting this on PS3, the game looks awesome and though I haven't played any of the previous Castlevania games it's never to late to get into another franchise :D
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The solution Mercury Steam is using involves offering an installation option within the first disc on the Xbox 360 version, so that players can enjoy the entire game by simply loading the second disc.Tony-Baxter

Bolded and increased in size for emphasis. You don't have to do any bloody swapping if you really wanted.

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#41 washd123
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people never cared about disc swapping till this gen, people never cared about graphics till the first xbox. did everyone really kept making threads about games being on 2 discs when the PS2 first came out

gamer-adam1

you obviously havnt been around long if you believe that to be true

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[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"] The solution Mercury Steam is using involves offering an installation option within the first disc on the Xbox 360 version, so that players can enjoy the entire game by simply loading the second disc.ZeldaMaster32

Bolded and increased in size for emphasis. You don't have to do any bloody swapping if you really wanted.

wow now that was smart, heres hoping halo reach will do the same

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[QUOTE="ZeldaMaster32"]

[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"] The solution Mercury Steam is using involves offering an installation option within the first disc on the Xbox 360 version, so that players can enjoy the entire game by simply loading the second disc.gamer-adam1

Bolded and increased in size for emphasis. You don't have to do any bloody swapping if you really wanted.

wow now that was smart, heres hoping halo reach will do the same

Is Reach confirmed to be on more than 1 disc?

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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="ZeldaMaster32"]

Bolded and increased in size for emphasis. You don't have to do any bloody swapping if you really wanted.

AdobeArtist

wow now that was smart, heres hoping halo reach will do the same

Is Reach confirmed to be on more than 1 disc?

if ODST was on 2 discs than I dont see how reach can be on 1

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#45 dommeus
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I'll wait to see the scores. If the 360 has a better frame rate then I don't give a **** that it's on 2 discs.

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#46 TheEroica  Moderator
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Well, it looks like I'll be getting the PS3 version then, unless they offer more to the 360 version.

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yeah, most likely better graphics and a smoother framerate... but whatever, I mean moving 4 feet to change a disk once is probably a good reason to not get what will most likely be the better version.
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

wow now that was smart, heres hoping halo reach will do the same

gamer-adam1

Is Reach confirmed to be on more than 1 disc?

if ODST was on 2 discs than I dont see how reach can be on 1

I'm gonna have to assume you never played ODST then. The ODST game itself, both campaign and Firefight mode was on the 1st disc. The 2nd disc was just a compliation of all the Halo 3 multiplayer maps - the original releases on the H3 disc, all the previous DLC map packs, plus 3 new ones that came with that 2nd ODST disc. But the main game itself was on just one disc, the second was essentially a collectors disc.

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I can't believe there are some lemmings on Here saying that games don't need to be more then 6gb. Dragon age origins on the PC is 20gb and the 360 version suffered from poor textures because there wasn't enough room on the disc. PS3 version had no problem because discs are up to 50gb in size. I am in no way saying that disc swapping is bad, in fact I am gals they are doing it, it means that the 360s disc limitations aren't holding the game back. I would be pissed if they cut the game to 6.7gb though. Larger size game equals more art assets which equals more variety it's a good thing people. Crysis was on 6gb because it repeated a ton of art assets same with farcry2 (4gb). Large disc space games, it's about damn time devs stopped cattering to the 360 6.7gb limit and made bigger multiplats!
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#49 YuriSH
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Awesome, can't wait for this game to come out.
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#50 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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I like the idea of installing one disc and using the other. I hope more devs do the same in the future.