Casual Games Is The Future....AND THATS A GOOD THING FOR ALL OF US.

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#1 ms555
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Let me first say i actually dont play casual games. I dislike kinect very much, and im fond of the occassional unique wii title, but the consoles casual nature makes it hard for me to invest in the console. Im really more of the type of person that likes to storm Battlefield multiplayer in the morning, poor some blood on the floor in mortal kombat in the evening, and then at night I sneak into towns in Fallout 3 and kill people in there sleep. So, yeah. Im not a casual gamer haha

I think most of you guys already know this, but i want to promote the fact the game industry NEEDS to have casual games. They dont need it so that they can make you have more quality time with your grandma. Its neccesssary for the sake of the evolution of the game industry, and if gamers discourage companies from doing their job and attracting a larger fanbase, it hurts everyone.

Looking to the past and compare it to today, you will notice easily that gaming has changed and become more more popular. Back in the day, a video game didnt getting millions of dollars in advertising, tv commercials, big premeirs at time square, and the like. And with the expanision of the gaming industry, video games have attracted plenty of entrepenuers to realize that there is great money to be made in the industry. And thus it is with the indsutrys gradually increasing stability and consistenly growing population of potential customers that companies have become more inclined to spend millions upon millions to stimulate the industrys growth. There was a leap somewhere in game history where video game turned from being the thing geeks to do to become a huge entertainment business.

That was a leap in the industry, and casual games are the next one. I would think lots of gamers would be pleased with the fact that practically half the houses in America have a video game console in them. Gamers like the growth of this industry. Therefore, it wouldmake alot of sense to actually encourage game indsutries to continue making casual kinect games and sesame street wii games. Why not? Obviously nobody here is going to buy them, but companies need to do these things to have the industry expand and evolve. Its like recruiting an army, you cant just limitan army to men of extremely specific features. I think gamers would rather that the rest of the world adjust to the games we play, instead of us adjusting to them. But thinkng such things would be overestimating the ratio of hardcore gamers to casual gaming/ nongaming people in the world. To make that next evolutionary leap, gaming needs to becomne less of an industry confined to serving "geeks" and more of an industry for everyone. Like the movie industry, dvds are made for all kinds of people, not just horrow fans or kids or old folks. But when u buy a dvd, u buy the one suited for you, Thats what gaming needs, to be more open and knock down the walls of fanbase exclusitivity. The hammer to knock down that wall is casual games. You dont have to play them, just dont hate them. They are not meant for you. And yet, indirectly.....they are.

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#2 topsemag55
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Really popular casual games are on the PC, such as Bejeweled 3.
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#3 Puckhog04
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I don't mind casual games. It's the over saturation of casual games that gets very tiresome. Especially since the Wii. I prefer my more hardcore videogames but a casual game now and then is definitely welcome. If for anything other than just to calm you down after a competitive FPS.

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No casual market=no video game market=no "hard core" market. Never understood why people don't understand this and why they cry about too many casual games... just ignore them and play the games you like. Problem solved.

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#5 ms555
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I don't mind casual games. It's the over saturation of casual games that gets very tiresome. Especially since the Wii.

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well yeah im with yea there, it is frustrating when a company makes it their prime and practically only focus, u know? No doubt that doesnt help too many. But for example, ubisoft makes us Assassins Creed and then makes ur grandma Carnival Games and Raving Rabbids Party Games for your kids in their spare time. Everybody wins, ya know? lol
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No it's not a good thing, I hate how so many games are being dumbed-down and made easier just to appeal to the masses. Hardcore gamers are getting the shaft.

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#7 ms555
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No casual market=no video game market=no "hard core" market. Never understood why people don't understand this and why they cry about too many casual games... just ignore them and play the games you like. Problem solved.

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EXACTLY!
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No casual market=no video game market=no "hard core" market. Never understood why people don't understand this and why they cry about too many casual games... just ignore them and play the games you like. Problem solved.

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Casual games provide a welcome break from uber-games, and keeps them from becoming stale. I think a lot of people automatically think Farmville when they see casual, but a real casual game is one you can run without the internet - one that runs by itself.
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#9 Kan0nF0dder
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Casual games can be great fun too - I loved playing golf, bowling and frisbee on the wii, and table tennis with the Move was epic and so was Mario Party. You just need to combine them with friends and booze/drugs :P
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#10 Elitro
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While i somewhat agree, i disagree with your reasoning.

To me a better analogy would be, to make music more popular with girls it's better to have justin bieber than just having metallica/ozzy/wtv. NO, just... no.

I don't need my sister/grandma/wtv playing games just so people aknowledge gaming as entertainment... people see me as a nerd for gaming? who cares.... the fact is the industry is changing and you are making it sound like it's all good.... look at what happened to DA2, quality rpgs are getting rare these days while trash f2p/casual are growing like weed... people expect instant gratification instead of learning the ropes of the game...

Yeah gaming is becoming mainstream, but i don't need everyone to share my hobbie if it makes it worse for me.

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#11 XaosII
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I dont think anyone disagrees that more games, regardless of who they are for, is a bad thing.

What is a bad thing is when casual games are displacing hardcore games. Thats a problem. For us at least.

Consoles already did that to PC gaming. Well, Kinect and Wii are doing the equivalent to current style console gaming.

Its not a good thing.

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While i somewhat agree, i disagree with your reasoning.

To me a better analogy would be, to make music more popular with girls it's better to have justin bieber than just having metallica/ozzy/wtv. NO, just... no.

I don't need my sister/grandma/wtv playing games just so people aknowledge gaming as entertainment... people see me as a nerd for gaming? who cares.... the fact is the industry is changing and you are making it sound like it's all good.... look at what happened to DA2, quality rpgs are getting rare these days while trash f2p/casual are growing like weed... people expect instant gratification instead of learning the ropes of the game...

Yeah gaming is becoming mainstream, but i don't need everyone to share my hobbie if it makes it worse for me.

Elitro

This is exactly the issue. Gamers are just getting lazy. If they can't apply the standard COD formula or controls, they want no part of it. If an RPG has too many elements to factor in and keep track off...the game is obviously not worth playing. If a racer has tracks that are too intricate, then its not worth the time to learn them. If the hotkeys arent like the genre leading title...it must be crap. This is just pure laziness, and IMO, missing half the fun of being a gamer.

We've seen devs react to this already with Killzone 3 and Socom 4...both dumbed down in controls, soldier types, and gametypes. I hear BF3 is actually not a true BF2 sequel...removing staples like the commander and squad features and playing more like a Bad Company 2 upgrade (which itself was a casual version of Battlefield).

When causal games start replacing hard core games...its not good. When hard core games turn themselves into casual games, it is not good. The true gamers that hold this industry down will just move on to some other hobby when they dont feel like playing COD13.

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:x god this argument again? when are people going to learn casual gaming represents the majority of the industry the casual gamers outnumber core gamers by 20,00/1.

The industry has always flourished on casual gaming alone its as simple as that core games and gamers are just there like parasites along for the ride but the casual gaming makes this industry.

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And yet my most anticipated game of the year is Dark Souls the spritual successor to Demon's Souls, which waa nitch RPG created only for hardcore gaming fans--which wasn't even going to be released to the states and wasn't expect to sell.

Why dose that matter in this thread? Because regardless of all the casual gaming success, those games created for the casaul market don't breed the types of games that hardcore gamers desire.

Why is Dark souls the only game Im really anticipating? I don't think I hate games, I just don't think there are that many game that appeal to me as a core gamer these days. I won't just buy any game just because I'm a gamer.

The standards for the casual gamer and core gamer are completly diffrent. It's just liketwo people who are in the market to buy a car but one person is looking to buy a stick shift musclecar and the other person just want's a car to drive to work.They aren't going to be happy swapping out one for the other just because they are both cars.

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While i somewhat agree, i disagree with your reasoning.

To me a better analogy would be, to make music more popular with girls it's better to have justin bieber than just having metallica/ozzy/wtv. NO, just... no.

I don't need my sister/grandma/wtv playing games just so people aknowledge gaming as entertainment... people see me as a nerd for gaming? who cares.... the fact is the industry is changing and you are making it sound like it's all good.... look at what happened to DA2, quality rpgs are getting rare these days while trash f2p/casual are growing like weed... people expect instant gratification instead of learning the ropes of the game...

Yeah gaming is becoming mainstream, but i don't need everyone to share my hobbie if it makes it worse for me.

Elitro

I despise Justin Bieber and I would still rather listen to him then those 3 bands. I'm a guy. Now what? You are not getting the point at all.

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And yet my most anticipated game of the year is Dark Souls the spritual successor to Demon's Souls, which waa nitch RPG created only for hardcore gaming fans--which wasn't evengoing to be released outside of japan and wasn't expect to see near what it did.

Why dose that matter in this thread? Because regardlessof all the casual gaming success, those games created for the casaul marketdon't breed the types of gamesthat hardcore gamers desire.

The standards for the casual gamer and core gamer are completly diffrent. It's just liketwo people who are in the market to buy a car but one person is looking to buy a stick shift musclecar and the other person just want's a car to drive to work.They aren't going to be happy swapping out one for the other just because they are both cars.

casharmy

Nope. I'm sorry but I can like Wii sportsor Just Tapand Monster Hunter . I don't see why you think that you have to just be one thing.

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

And yet my most anticipated game of the year is Dark Souls the spritual successor to Demon's Souls, which waa nitch RPG created only for hardcore gaming fans--which wasn't evengoing to be released outside of japan and wasn't expect to see near what it did.

Why dose that matter in this thread? Because regardlessof all the casual gaming success, those games created for the casaul marketdon't breed the types of gamesthat hardcore gamers desire.

The standards for the casual gamer and core gamer are completly diffrent. It's just liketwo people who are in the market to buy a car but one person is looking to buy a stick shift musclecar and the other person just want's a car to drive to work.They aren't going to be happy swapping out one for the other just because they are both cars.

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Nope. I'm sorry but I can like Wii sportsor Just Tapand Monster Hunter . I don't see why you think that you have to just be one thing.

I can "play" alot of games. It's just that my desire to do so isn't as strong with some games as with others. I actually consider super mario bros a hardcore game, but I think MVC3 is casual. I think it's something about the way agame is designed and what the developers focus was.

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Can't read blue text. That is all.
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No casual market=no video game market=no "hard core" market. Never understood why people don't understand this and why they cry about too many casual games... just ignore them and play the games you like. Problem solved.

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i have nothing against casual gamers and casual games, i accept them as gamers, heck i was at a retirement home today and saw that they had a wii, it was nice to say, but what i do not want to accept is a company like microsoft shifting their focus primarily (not entirely) to the casual market, even though it was not the casual market which got microsoft millions of console sales
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#20 lhughey
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[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]

No casual market=no video game market=no "hard core" market. Never understood why people don't understand this and why they cry about too many casual games... just ignore them and play the games you like. Problem solved.

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i have nothing against casual gamers and casual games, i accept them as gamers, heck i was at a retirement home today and saw that they had a wii, it was nice to say, but what i do not want to accept is a company like microsoft shifting their focus primarily (not entirely) to the casual market, even though it was not the casual market which got microsoft millions of console sales

I hear this argument being used quite often. However, I don't know of one game that was cancelled because of Kinect. M$ doesn't tell 3rd party devs what to develop. They make what they think will sell.
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#21 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

And yet my most anticipated game of the year is Dark Souls the spritual successor to Demon's Souls, which waa nitch RPG created only for hardcore gaming fans--which wasn't evengoing to be released outside of japan and wasn't expect to see near what it did.

Why dose that matter in this thread? Because regardlessof all the casual gaming success, those games created for the casaul marketdon't breed the types of gamesthat hardcore gamers desire.

The standards for the casual gamer and core gamer are completly diffrent. It's just liketwo people who are in the market to buy a car but one person is looking to buy a stick shift musclecar and the other person just want's a car to drive to work.They aren't going to be happy swapping out one for the other just because they are both cars.

casharmy

Nope. I'm sorry but I can like Wii sportsor Just Tapand Monster Hunter . I don't see why you think that you have to just be one thing.

I can "play" alot of games. It's just that my desire to do so isn't as strong with some games as with others. I actually consider super mario bros a hardcore game, but I think MVC3 is casual. I think it's something about the way agame is designed and what the developers focus was.

That's fine. I was simply pointing out that anybody can like games from any "camp"

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[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"][QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]

No casual market=no video game market=no "hard core" market. Never understood why people don't understand this and why they cry about too many casual games... just ignore them and play the games you like. Problem solved.

lhughey
i have nothing against casual gamers and casual games, i accept them as gamers, heck i was at a retirement home today and saw that they had a wii, it was nice to say, but what i do not want to accept is a company like microsoft shifting their focus primarily (not entirely) to the casual market, even though it was not the casual market which got microsoft millions of console sales

I hear this argument being used quite often. However, I don't know of one game that was cancelled because of Kinect. M$ doesn't tell 3rd party devs what to develop. They make what they think will sell.

its not really as much about cancelled games as a shift in focus, microsoft in e3's past had a primary focus on their "hardcore" franchises, but in the last few e3's microsoft has chosen to focus on kinect heavily