Certain jerks are already ruining Halo 5

This problem is related to Capture the Flag mode and hope they'll do something about it. For what it's worth, I'm reporting every single case of players camping the whole match in an extremely tiny perimeter in their own base and farming easy kills that require no skill. They do it for one reason - they want to artificially buff up their Kill Death Ratio. They have no intention of going for your flag, ever. They only start going for your flag when it's 2 or less minutes till the end of the game. And it usually turns out they're horrible at it. But those jerks are sole reason my KDR dropped down below zero and I'm always top player in CTF, frequently getting all three points and never afraid to engage in combat while carrying a flag.

Even having a total noob on your team or see somebody quit is better than this torpor!

All jerks like these should be put in a server only for other jerks where stats ain't matter.

Sounds like bad game design, maybe just play a different mode until its fixed?

That's always been the nature of CTF, and to be fair, with the way halo works you need cats to play back and play defense.

You're being bothered by the fact that you in your attempts to grab that flag are giving up kills to defense, which is the nature of how CTF will work in a game like Halo. You simply don't move fast enough to always cover up that ground, and given how important having the flag at base is to scoring, yeah you need people to play defense. I'm not going to pretend people don't play defense specifically to pad their stats, but they aren't playing the game wrong in that regard either. That scenario of 2 go out and 2 stay, or even 3 go out, I'll stay is not exacty uncommon, and a perfectly valid set up.

Are you serious? It's called defense. Tribes 2 had a specific position for them and rocket league has ppl playing goalie.

I guess soccer should change their whole way of playing and just make teams all offense.

@jg4xchamp: I don't think you fully understand. I'm talking about a situation in which all the opposing players stay in their spawn/flag area and never leave. Not for a millisecond. Nobody. Not a single player. Never. I hope it registers.

It also happened to me on a specific map, Coliseum, where your options of surprising the opposing team are extremely scarce as you cannot approach their base from elevations and there aren't springboards nearby.

I hate being stuck in a situation like this because quitting games has repercussions.

In a well designed team game e.g. Red Orchestra 2 the player gets points primarily from objectives with almost no points from kills.

There has to be a wat around it.... Bumrush them with vehicles... Bunrush them with grenades?

I usually play ffa or tdm

@Salt_The_Fries: Okay that stuff is clearly an obvious attempt to pad the stat, it's the same when a team is clearly handing you your ass in CTF and odd ball, but they'll stop from winning the match so they can spend more time killing. If that's the type of scenario you are speaking of ....it's shit...but it's not exactly bad design either. If you can't punish them for that behavior by taking advantage of that type of nonsense, it is what it is.

But sure, in that scenario, maximum dickheads.

@mr_huggles_dog: You have no idea what you're talking about. It's not defense. And I will repeat it ad nauseum for a gazillion pages specifically to you and your tiny little brain until it registers.

How do you explain they always start moving out of their base when it's 90 seconds till the end of the match? What was the purpose of previous 10:30 minutes?

Please. Use your brain if you have one.

What if two teams had exactly the same idea at once? That is to sit in your base and never leave. Then what?

@harrygooch: The thing is in Halo 5 there aren't any vehicles in CTF...that'd certainly be a good countermeasure.

Btw I won all two matches of this kind that happened to me last night. But because of those jerks jerking off their KDR and ruining mine, I felt horrible.

@Salt_The_Fries: Tiny brain?

They are defending the flag. Even fucking paint ball has this. My dad and his friend would hide in the woods near the flag while younger ppl would run n gun and they would just get slaughtered.

Maybe you've never played a sport or something....but just about every form of competition has this.

@jg4xchamp: I'm glad you can see that...I'm just a good sport. I never use exploits even if I know they are there. I just play to have fun and not like a crybaby whose sanity would've been ruined if he actually once in his life attempted to have fun.

Btw rushing for flag kinda games are more of my thing. Prolonging it with pointless firefights isn't.

I guess Strongholds are more jerk-proof in this game. And Breakout too.

are they camped together? if not, move with a team so you posses superior fire concentration at every engagement to overpower ambushes, means assembling a full fireteam, hit me up if you need a man

Erm... how is that a problem? They are not going for your flag so they have no chance of winning. If they want to buff up their K/D/A but lower their W/L (the only important stat) then who cares? It would also be incredibly easy to play against campers like that if you have some coordination/common sense.

@funkmaster1233: I was playing with randoms and they didn't use voice communication. Btw I hate sniping and camping so even if I knew this would've helped, I refused to apply this tactic.

not really an SW topic

@ReadingRainbow4: Oh wow, that guy is disgusting... This is why I never play CoD games.

KDR is one of the worst things to have been adopted by FPS games. It should never be visible, because it doesn't mean much or anything and only encourages bad play in anything that has any objectives other than killing. Win/loss ratio's for matches that are not clan-matches shouldn't be there either.

Like if you play BF and your teams win a match and you stay, you'll likely win a couple more matches. Because your team has played successfully already and sticks together, and the losing team tends to break up and get random new people. That's called easy mode. If you shuffle teams (imo most BF servers should have a vote to shuffle or forced shuffle) or leave to find a new random team, your win/loss ratio is going to take a plunge but since it's a team effort, a slightly worse than even win/loss ratio probably means that the one player is actually pretty good because they don't stack. In team games in which stacking is encouraged a win/loss ratio is a counter intuitive statistic that serves no real purpose but to encourage bad play and frustrate people who don't stack.

Imo, better game design = getting rid of the statistics that encourage bad play. I hear Overwatch is an improvement because they use many stats that are not just KDR or WLR but also show that you were good at blocking damage, doing objectives, that sort of stuff.

@KungfuKitten: Yep. Fully agreed and at least it shouldn't be so prominently shown in Halo 5 when it comes to Capture the Flag.

False. If you have a shitty k/d you hurt your team. In a mode like TDM k/d is all that matters and even in objective modes you are not contributing if you die every 5 seconds because you are putting your team at a disadvantage.

TC sounds like he sucks at the game and came on here to cry about it. But its not shocking to see bad FPS players on xbone because like Sony said most shooter fans (the good competitive players) switched to PS4.

Uh no. You could be spotting people. You could be hitting people and others finish the kills. You could be the one to move in first or get the enemy to shoot at you instead of them. You could be the one covering something that everybody else is forgetting, but nobody appeared there, or someone who is taking the kills. Maybe you're going after the person who needs to die the most. If you use a long range weapon your KDR is probably going to be different than someone who prefers an SMG. KDR is pretty pointless in pretty much every FPS out there and when people think it means something it becomes harmful to the game's community.

Some people just don't have any skill.

I got bored of COD because people would just hide in the prone position waiting for you to run by to get an easy kill. Or Splatoon where players just hide in the ink all game.

Obviously it's strategy but if I do the same thing there would be no game.

Oh my goodness. What did you just say ?

*facepalm*

Agreed I always think the same thing.

A player with good stats but with a relatively below average win/loss ratio is actually a good player.

He was referring to BF... Rush and Conquest are mostly played on there.

The only reason why people play tdm in BF games is to grind some kills.

Welcome to online gaming. Jerks have always exploited bottlenecks and certain points on every online map, ever. It's what happens when no-lifers play the same maps 18 hours a day, seven days a week.

no shocker when u have a set location people camp.....i only play warzone,slayer,team slayer, and free4all

who cares blops 3 is out

..and /thread

Isn't the point to win the match? Isn't winning the match what makes your rank go up? It seems like you are bitching over nothing. Maybe you care about your KDR more than you are willing to admit? If you care about your KDR so much go play team slayer, or maybe camp the base like your opponents. In the end, KDR means nothing in Halo. It's all about wins and ranking.

@ReadingRainbow4: he seems such q nice happy chap :)

I hate campers, but if you know where they are camping, well, that makes them predictable targets, you can now go after them because they will be there, now it's your time to get even, only problem is being reported for "unsportsmanlike behavior" by them because they are sore loosers.

Welcome to online FPS gaming.

Yeah, it sucks when the whole team is playing defense. It's easy to overcome if you know everyone on your team and can develop a strategy. But when it's a bunch of randoms you're probably not talking to, you're looking at a 1 or 2 man charge against 4 that is likely to end in failure.

That's why I don't like playing objective games without at least one friend.

So if the other team is just camping in their base, why the hell would you bum rush it and just die. Make them have to come out and start picking them off one by one. Once you know where they are, just start throwing grenades on their position.

^^^This

In my days of playing a ton of Halo2/3 (and pre anyone caring about k/d ratios) I'd often stay back and guard the base while literally everyone else piled after the flag because no one else would do it. Go grab a decent weapon and then empty all the lemmings (no pun intended) who'd flood towards the base with no plan. If you weren't playing with people you knew you often had no choice.

1 or 2 people camping in the same place isn't really a big deal (haven't played shooters or specifically halo 5 in a while so can't comment on it) if you use a bit of teamwork.

Camping is as legit as your mom. I know it sucks but deal with it.

Sure...

That's the reason you suck at Halo.

Halo 5 doesn't require skill. MLG lol

who cares about KDR? it doesn't even effect your rank. not only that but KDR is separated by mode everyone knows in stronghold and CTF it's not important.

Also I don't see any issue with a team guarding it's flag in CTF. it's a legit strategy. Draw you guys out to attack with more people due to their high defense, then sweep in when your defenses are low and steal the flag. The best strategies i seen (depending on skill) is 2 attackers and 2 defense or all 4 attacking and roaming as a group

Camping is in every FPS. That's just something you have to deal with.

not a system war thread.

I thought this was going to be something about people modding the game or cheating in some way.

But lol at reporting something because you don't like the way they play. Defense is part of the game. And it sounds like their defense is better than your offense so you want to bitch about it.

This kind of reminds me I get a lot of hate mail and people taking shit saying "camping pussy" etc in FPS games. But just like in real life if I was in a gun battle, I wouldn't run out in the open to get shot and die. I would camp to get to kill. That's how I'm usually able to keep over a 2.0 KDR.

People think "oh I'm more brave than you because I rush". No rushing and dying just makes you more stupid.

Sounds like poor level design. In games like counter-strike if people camp there is usually a strategy around it.

But then again there is also a strategy in that game to learn other peoples tactics and use it against them, these run and gun games are boring, well maybe not run in this case.

In red orchestra you can't even see your kill count. i found myself not caring about how many kills i got and focused more on defending the objectives

Uh...you must not play FPS online a lot with other Capture the flag modes.

This has been a problem with the mode across a multitude of games. They farm and get kills and don't actually play Capture the Flag, they play Kill/Death ratio. I've been in rooms where everyone but me is basically just playing Team Death Match and I wonder why the hell these idiots chose CTF if my team and the other team just want to shoot each other. It's pretty goddamn stupid.

If I'm lucky, I get on a team that will actually want to play, but the entire other team just keeps playing TDM. Then others on my team get angry and quit because people aren't playing Capture (the entire team is just playing for kills), leaving you in the untenable position of playing Capture the Flag by your lonesome against a team. It's awful sometimes.

Even worse, if you QUIT, you are penalized.

This is also a problem with other modes that are NOT Deathmatch. Idiots that care more about artificial stats that having fun in the game they are in.

Of course, there is a natural defense position in CTF that you may be complaining about. Some people need to be goal tending otherwise it's too easy. On that front, you may just need to learn to adapt to defensive players. Either way, CTF isn't that great in Halo imo, UNLESS I'm playing in a room with friends.

I'm surprised that in 2015 you just noticed. I guess it took Halo 5 to get your attention, but I've been playing FPSs online for years, and I HATE playing Capture unless I know everyone is going to play it right.