CGI to Real game graphic lies.

Okay, so I just rented Darksiders, and the opening cutscene in my opinion looked Beautiful! I was so pumped about the in game graphics (because i have never seen screenshots) and i was getting right into the good mood. But once the game started, the graphics went down so much I almost put my controller down. If game developers are going to do that, couldn't they just meet at half way ground and make a game with considerably good graphics all around?

I felt so withdrawn after. :|

So my discussion is basically, Why won't developers try to have good graphics throughout the game, rather than exceptional opening teaser graphics, and poor graphics during the realy game?

Because its GAMEPLAY.

There is a demo out you know.

Because its GAMEPLAY.

There is a demo out you know.

lafiro93

Yes, and i picked it up because i knew it was a hack and slash game. I rented it for the purpose of gameplay. Im just stating the graphical difference between CGI and in game.

All graphics should be in-engine, in-realtime. But i'm afriad will live in a world of pre-rendered engine movie files and CGI that will always surpass the real-time. I don't mind graphics being average, as long as they are consistant.

Yeah i hate CGI cutscenes, and commericals for games. A big offender of this is L4D2. The game has pretty good graphics, i dont understand why they dont just use gameplay for commericals.

Also darksiders was pretty dissapointing going from the CGI to gameplay, but i still really enjoyed the game.

Yeah i hate CGI cutscenes, and commericals for games. A big offender of this is L4D2. The game has pretty good graphics, i dont understand why they dont just use gameplay for commericals.Sully28

I completely disagree. It looks barely any better than Half-Life 2. They could probably get it run it on the Playstation 2 if they really wanted. Resident Evil 4 looked more impressive.

Is this something new to gaming? :|

Its not as bad as it was in 32bit era. CGI intros and crap 3d graphics. Thats why i prefer when cutscenes use in game engine

I don't have a problem with blunt CGI. Some CGI intros/movies are pretty amazing.

I much rather have this kind of CGI than the subtle ones which is "suggested" as gameplay in order to overhype games.

Play uncharted 2, Killzone 2, or GOW 3problem = solved

Play uncharted 2, Killzone 2, or GOW 3problem = solved

UncleLukex

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"]

Play uncharted 2, Killzone 2, or GOW 3problem = solved

Snagal123

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

Killzone 2's into is the only portion that uses pre-renderd vids.

Uncharted 2 and GOW 3 use ALL real-time rendering for cutscenes...you don't own a PS3 or any of the games do you? There are several instnaces in both games where the action cut's straight from cutscene directly into gameplay.

but to go trying to spread fanboy misconceptions on something that you can easily be proven wrong on bya quick link from youtube, when eveyone who's played any of these games knows it's not true...it's quite sad.

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"]

Play uncharted 2, Killzone 2, or GOW 3problem = solved

Snagal123

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

I'll add a few more. AC2, MGS4, Crysis, RE5. :)

Only game company I REALLY enjoy watching their cgi sequences is Blizzard's... They are THAT good.Sollet

[QUOTE="Sollet"]Only game company I REALLY enjoy watching their cgi sequences is Blizzard's... They are THAT good.killa4lyfe

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"]

Play uncharted 2, Killzone 2, or GOW 3problem = solved

UncleLukex

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

Killzone 2's into is the only portion that uses pre-renderd vids.

Uncharted 2 and GOW 3 use ALL real-time rendering for cutscenes...you don't own a PS3 or any of the games do you? There are several instnaces in both games where the action cut's straight from cutscene directly into gameplay.

but to go trying to spread fanboy misconceptions on something that you can easily be proven wrong on bya quick link from youtube, when eveyone who's played any of these games knows it's not true...it's quite sad.

GoW3 uses pre-renders for some cutscenesLINK

"When I mentioned that GOW3 has no CG, I was referring to the fact that we do not have pre-renderd scenes that were created outside of the game engine, like GOW 1 and 2. In GOW3 all the cutscenes are created using our in-game engine, however some scenes were just to epic to run real time and thus are recorded videos. This is not the case for the majority of the cutscenes in the game which are mostly running real time"

So whos the one spreading the misconceptions now, this is from Sonys very own mouth, GoW3 uses some pre-rendered cutscenes. Your wrong.

While i can not find a link to back up what i said about UC2, iam pretty damn sure one or two of the cutscenes are pre-renders.

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"][QUOTE="Sollet"]Only game company I REALLY enjoy watching their cgi sequences is Blizzard's... They are THAT good.Sollet

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"]

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

Snagal123

Killzone 2's into is the only portion that uses pre-renderd vids.

Uncharted 2 and GOW 3 use ALL real-time rendering for cutscenes...you don't own a PS3 or any of the games do you? There are several instnaces in both games where the action cut's straight from cutscene directly into gameplay.

but to go trying to spread fanboy misconceptions on something that you can easily be proven wrong on bya quick link from youtube, when eveyone who's played any of these games knows it's not true...it's quite sad.

GoW3 uses pre-renders for some cutscenesLINK

"When I mentioned that GOW3 has no CG, I was referring to the fact that we do not have pre-renderd scenes that were created outside of the game engine, like GOW 1 and 2. In GOW3 all the cutscenes are created using our in-game engine, however some scenes were just to epic to run real time and thus are recorded videos. This is not the case for the majority of the cutscenes in the game which are mostly running real time"

So whos the one spreading the misconceptions now, this is from Sonys very own mouth, GoW3 uses some pre-rendered cutscenes. Your wrong.

While i can not find a link to back up what i said about UC2, iam pretty damn sure one or two of the cutscenes are pre-renders.

I love how you missed that line.

I love how you missed that line.

Sollet

Excuse me, i never claimed they all were pre-rendered, just that some were, only to be told that i was wrong, and they were all real-time, well they are not, so i was correct.

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

I love how you missed that line.

Snagal123

Excuse me, i never claimed they all were pre-rendered, just that some were, only to be told that i was wrong, and they were all real-time, well they are not, so i was correct.

Allow me to refresh yer memory:

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

Snagal123

Nice try though.

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"]

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

Snagal123

Killzone 2's into is the only portion that uses pre-renderd vids.

Uncharted 2 and GOW 3 use ALL real-time rendering for cutscenes...you don't own a PS3 or any of the games do you? There are several instnaces in both games where the action cut's straight from cutscene directly into gameplay.

but to go trying to spread fanboy misconceptions on something that you can easily be proven wrong on bya quick link from youtube, when eveyone who's played any of these games knows it's not true...it's quite sad.

GoW3 uses pre-renders for some cutscenesLINK

"When I mentioned that GOW3 has no CG, I was referring to the fact that we do not have pre-renderd scenes that were created outside of the game engine, like GOW 1 and 2. In GOW3 all the cutscenes are created using our in-game engine, however some scenes were just to epic to run real time and thus are recorded videos. This is not the case for the majority of the cutscenes in the game which are mostly running real time"

So whos the one spreading the misconceptions now, this is from Sonys very own mouth, GoW3 uses some pre-rendered cutscenes. Your wrong.

While i can not find a link to back up what i said about UC2, iam pretty damn sure one or two of the cutscenes are pre-renders.

:wink: thnx for the education not all real-time but MOST with GOW 3.

a far cry from your claim of "All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes" huh

and here's your edcutation from me (:shock: pay attention to what happens @ 25 seconds in the video after the cutscene)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkLXXtCM8Ks

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

Excuse me, i never claimed they all were pre-rendered, just that some were, only to be told that i was wrong, and they were all real-time, well they are not, so i was correct.

Sollet

Allow me to refresh yer memory:

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

Snagal123

Nice try though.

As in all 3 games use pre-rendered cutscenes, (yet i can't proof UC2 does), not all the cutscenes are pre-rendered. Clearly bad wording on my part.

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

Allow me to refresh yer memory:

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

All use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so it doesn't solve the problem if you want everything to be real-time.

Snagal123

Nice try though.

As in all 3 games use pre-rendered cutscenes, (yet i can't proof UC2 does), not all the cutscenes are pre-rendered. Clearly bad wording on my part.

PS3 Developers say all ther games are REAL TIME every time a game comes out they even say the 2005 KZ2 Trailer was ACTUALY GAMEPLAY LOL

Uncharted2 its the most deciving one ther 4 Drakes in the game 1 for Multiplater 1 for Story gameplay 1 for REAL TIME buff Cinematic and 1 from CGI

Play uncharted 2, Killzone 2, or GOW 3problem = solved

UncleLukex

That's one of the main reasons MGS4 won so many graphical awards.

(...)I felt so withdrawn after. :|(...)

Hobbsey07

Its not as bad as it was in 32bit era. CGI intros and crap 3d graphics. Thats why i prefer when cutscenes use in game engine

PAL360

FAIL post is FAIL. yes, we all knew KZ2's 2005 trailer was CGI, but the final product came close to it.

roddollente

I cringe whenever a Cow says this...

Knowing there are actually people who think like this reminds me not to take them seriously when they argue X>Y, they don't know what they are looking at sometimes.

Killzone 2 looks nowhere near the 2005 target render; and I'm not interested in debating that, it isn't.

[QUOTE="roddollente"]

FAIL post is FAIL. yes, we all knew KZ2's 2005 trailer was CGI, but the final product came close to it.

AnnoyedDragon

I cringe whenever a Cow says this...

Knowing there are actually people who think like this reminds me not to take them seriously when they argue X>Y, they don't know what they are looking at sometimes.

Killzone 2 looks nowhere near the 2005 target render; and I'm not interested in debating that, it isn't.

uhh..but it' still good-looking...and yes, it looks as good as that CG trailer. it is. funny can't say that about 360 titles. yea...L4D2 looks just like their Gamestop commercials. and yea,,Halo 3 looked like the CG teaser trailer. HAHAHAHAAH.

uhh..but it' still good-looking...and yes, it looks as good as that CG trailer.

roddollente

I fear for this generation at times.

They can take full physics driven, dynamic, volumetric smoke and replace it with 2D sprites; and people say they are the same...

[QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Because its GAMEPLAY.

There is a demo out you know.

Hobbsey07

Yes, and i picked it up because i knew it was a hack and slash game. I rented it for the purpose of gameplay. Im just stating the graphical difference between CGI and in game.

this has been known for a VERY VERY long time

CGI cutscenes will always look better than gameplay.....i really don't know why you're upset about this, it's not surprising at all

so tell me, where have you seen a game came close to its CG trailer?

roddollente

It would be your argument that Killzone 2 comes close to GCI quality, not my argument. This sort of question suggests that I am the one claiming something comes close to CGI; when it is you.

and uhh..the volumetric smoke scene is the beginning of the game, and that's less than a minute. are you telling me you're so keen to observe a 2d sprite in a game? huh, sad life you lead then.

roddollente

Again, it is your argument that the end product comes close to the CGI. When I point out an example of how it doesn't; you accuse me of having a sad life? Attacking my character rather than defending your own argument, that speaks badly of you; not me.

You are avoiding having to justify your own claim and trying to spin it to make me look bad :roll: if this is what I can expect from further discussion; we are done here.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

Nice try though.

marcos27pr

As in all 3 games use pre-rendered cutscenes, (yet i can't proof UC2 does), not all the cutscenes are pre-rendered. Clearly bad wording on my part.

PS3 Developers say all ther games are REAL TIME every time a game comes out they even say the 2005 KZ2 Trailer was ACTUALY GAMEPLAY LOL

Uncharted2 its the most deciving one ther 4 Drakes in the game 1 for Multiplater 1 for Story gameplay 1 for REAL TIME buff Cinematic and 1 from CGI

this is uncharted 2 in-game>>>>>>>>> x100 >>>>>>>>>>your post.

Okay, so I just rented Darksiders, and the opening cutscene in my opinion looked Beautiful! I was so pumped about the in game graphics (because i have never seen screenshots) and i was getting right into the good mood. But once the game started, the graphics went down so much I almost put my controller down. If game developers are going to do that, couldn't they just meet at half way ground and make a game with considerably good graphics all around?

I felt so withdrawn after. :|

So my discussion is basically, Why won't developers try to have good graphics throughout the game, rather than exceptional opening teaser graphics, and poor graphics during the realy game?

Hobbsey07

You actually expected Darksiders ingame graphics to coincide with the opening cutscene...:|