Channel your inner Pachter (next gen winner and loser)

I just got to thinking about how sales will be for each of the systems (PS4, WiiU, and nextbox) and which place they will come in (not that it matters that much to me) this time around.  I think things will be rather different.

If I had to guess I would say the order would be:

1. Sony
2. Microsoft
3. Nintendo

BUT to be fair MS could be in top spot or the bottom depending how they show off the console at E3 (or sooner).  If it has used game restrictions it will be last place for them.  If it is as powerful as the PS4 and has enough kinect focused stuff to cater to the casuals, it could take top spot.  one thing is for sure (in my opinion), and that is that Nintendo will lose to Sony.  I don't see the WiiU or any nintendo console in the futurue becoming a big hit unless they durastically rethink their angle on things.  The WiiU is not cheap enough for casuals to scoop up, and they certainly don't have the casuals locked down anymore either, with MS and Kinect on the prowl :P.  PS4 will enjoy the most core gamers though I think.

To be clear, this is not how I necessarily feel about each system.  I will almost certainly buy a WiiU and a PS4.  Nextbox probably not, but who knows!?

Percentage of total sales

Microsoft: 40%

Sony: 35%

Nintendo: 25%

that title made me laugh :lol:

well played

1.sony

2. microsoft

3. nintendo

OnLive shall come out as the only survivor next gen. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Apple, and Google shall die in flames.

MS/ Sony/ Nintendo

I have no idea since I know almost nothing about PS4 or Next Xbox, but from a complete guess I would say 

Microsoft

and then joint Sony/Nintendo

1) Sony

2) Nintendo

3) Discontinued

Winner. Gamers Losers. Fanboyscarlisledavid79

Fully agree.

Winner. Gamers Losers. Fanboyscarlisledavid79

Indeed... the only prediction that always holds true... but since this is the SW, I suppose I have to spew out some crap:

1. Sony
2. MS
3. Nintendo 

 well dependant upon price of ps4 atm , i really aint going to spoil the big one, but i gotta say wiiu is going to be just fine 

i think its going to be like this

1- sony-not by alot

2- nintendo -    they seam to fix  the problems - just look at ds and 3ds,  

3- microsoft- because nobody wants a cable box service and everyone is going to agree no used games/watermarked disc is just going to suck because you cant use it if y our xbox breaks say you built a collection of like 50 or more games,   your xbox bricks there goes your entire collection but again it comes down to pricing ,  if sony botches their launch   and ms doesnt do any of this , then you can swap sony and ms around ,

either way nintendo in between ,  overall though i think nintendo will still sell the most hardware and make the most profit -3ds and wiiu will sell more systems then microsoft or sony alone,  

Eh Sony already won... so predicting anything is kind of moot at this point...kuraimen

If Live still costs money, MS loses. Sony will have caught up on everything that matters and the system is US designed so I think a lot of the loopy Japanese **** will be gone (ie download games having an install process, crossmedia bar being crap, a billion and one different settings windows yet still no easy way to see what's taking up space on your HDD, Wireless data forgotten if you ever switch networking, etc).

If both charge for basic online multiplayer or both are free, I think MS will win. MS might have some minor stuff that better and I don't think either system will have a game line-up that's any better than the others. MS will probably continue steam rolling in the US and will probably spread it's popularity outside of just the UK in the EU. They did a hell of a lot this gen considering they pretty much didn't exist in one of the 3 major markets and only being a dominate force in one European country.

I think it will either be

Sony 1st
Nintendo 2nd
Microsoft 3rd

or

Nintendo 1st
Sony 2nd
Microsoft 3rd

Worldwide

1. Sony/Microsoft to close to call

2. Nintendo

United States

1. Microsoft

2. Sony

3. Nintendo

Japan

1. Sony

2. Nintendo

3. anybody but Microsoft, lol

All in all I think Sony can return their video game division to operating with a proft, while MS will continue to do so and hold onto their market share due to strong US sales. Nintendo will go as far as the nex gen Mario and Zelda's take them. Both must be great, great games for the Wii-U to have a shot at making a profit, IMHO.

1. Nintendo

2. Sony

3. Microsoft

Nintendo has the advantage of being able to price drop their console if they want to (and take a small lost). Right now the Wii U is pretty expensive and doesn't have much titles to push it. Things will change in the future though and I can see them maintaing a lead.

Last gen, Sony made the stupidiest of most stupid mistakes ever but was able to slightly move past the Xbox 360. So now that Sony is being smart and not stupid, they can achieve 2nd place easier. Next Xbox will fail to reach Xbox 360 numbers because of their direction and the executives at Microsoft bureaucracting everything.

1.MS(kinect for the win maybe)

2.Ninty(If thery manage to recover)

3. Sony(If their console is expensive and the social features don't interest that many people)

1. Nintendo

2. Sony

3. Microsoft

Nintendo has the advantage of being able to price drop their console if they want to (and take a small lost). Right now the Wii U is pretty expensive and doesn't have much titles to push it. Things will change in the future though and I can see them maintaing a lead.

Last gen, Sony made the stupidiest of most stupid mistakes ever but was able to slightly move past the Xbox 360. So now that Sony is being smart and not stupid, they can achieve 2nd place easier. Next Xbox will fail to reach Xbox 360 numbers because of their direction and the executives at Microsoft bureaucracting everything.

ShadowDeathX

I heard that it may be hard for ninty to price drop their console because of the gamepad.

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super600

I heard that it may be hard for ninty to price drop their console because of the gamepad.

1. MS
2. Nintendo
3. Sony

1-Sony
2-Microsoft





Last- Nintendo

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2-Microsoft





Last- Nintendo

timbers_WSU

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1-Sony
2-Microsoft





Last- Nintendo

Jack-Burton

I actually see Lisbeth Salander (Noomi Rapace) now.

It's already confirmed:

1 Sony

2 Nintendo

3 Ouya

4 M$

Sony - 100m

Microsoft - 35m

Wii U - 20 m (discontinued)

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1-Sony
2-Microsoft





Last- Nintendo

Jack-Burton

1. Sony

2. MS

3. Nintendo

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1-Sony
2-Microsoft





Last- Nintendo

timbers_WSU

I really think Sony will clutch it this gen, especially with all the rumors of a casual focused Microsoft coming in full force.

And with Nintendo still waddling around in the kiddy pool, not much competition unless they really start slamming the big name titles out of the park.

I predict that Sony will come first place in both games and sales.

If Sony can get North America back, then they will destroy the other two.

My guess is either Sony or MS will be first and Nintendo a distant 3rd. Really getting a Gamecube vibe in terms of sales from the WiiU. 

1) MS- game consoles are about a hell of a lot more than gaming these days, and MS is the only one that really gets that. People here will b*tch and moan about the lack of exclusives and handful of Kinect titles, but having that true "third screen" experience is going to be a hell of a lot more valuable than being able to say "PS4: the only place you can play mediocre Killzone and Infamous sequels!" So long as they do something about their XBL subscription  set-up (read: free online play and access to stuff like Netflix) I think it'll be an easy win.

2) Sony- This is more a comment on how badly Nintendo shot themselves in the foot than belief that Sony has something worth buying. It's just too status quo: the games all looked boring (with the exception of multiplats), I don't think the social features go far enough to trump what MS is no doubt working on with XBL, and the genuinely cool Gaikai stuff is apparently work-in-progress/"aspirational". Maybe they have some big surprises saved up for E3, but as-is they don't have the games to sell the PS4 as the "gamer's" console or the features to sell it as the "everyone's" console.

3) Nintendo- They might have had a shot at second if the Wii U had sold like the Wii out of the gate, but its slow sales coupled with another set of "gen and a half) hardware is a recipe for disaster. If they can get the price down and big franchises out fast enough they might be able to salvage things, but as-is the Wii U is almost an impossible sell relative to the Xbox 3 and PS4.

1) MS- game consoles are about a hell of a lot more than gaming these days, and MS is the only one that really gets that. People here will b*tch and moan about the lack of exclusives and handful of Kinect titles, but having that true "third screen" experience is going to be a hell of a lot more valuable than being able to say "PS4: the only place you can play mediocre Killzone and Infamous sequels!" So long as they do something about their XBL subscription set-up (read: free online play and access to stuff like Netflix) I think it'll be an easy win.

2) Sony- This is more a comment on how badly Nintendo shot themselves in the foot than belief that Sony has something worth buying. It's just too status quo: the games all looked boring (with the exception of multiplats), I don't think the social features go far enough to trump what MS is no doubt working on with XBL, and the genuinely cool Gaikai stuff is apparently work-in-progress/"aspirational". Maybe they have some big surprises saved up for E3, but as-is they don't have the games to sell the PS4 as the "gamer's" console or the features to sell it as the "everyone's" console.

3) Nintendo- They might have had a shot at second if the Wii U had sold like the Wii out of the gate, but its slow sales coupled with another set of "gen and a half) hardware is a recipe for disaster. If they can get the price down and big franchises out fast enough they might be able to salvage things, but as-is the Wii U is almost an impossible sell relative to the Xbox 3 and PS4.

Slow_Show

Eh I disagree, any social features the consoles offer you already have on your phone so what's the point, it's just another bulletpoint on a list of features. If MS goes too far down the casual crapshoot with Kinect and lose their hardcore audience ( what made them what they are in the first place with the xbox brand ) Then that's going to hurt them in more than just a monetary sense, word of mouth is a powerful thing especially among gamers. Kinect is some interesting tech but it has yet to offer any remarkable gaming experiences.

I can see it being an easy win for Sony, A game console is about the games first and foremost. If I want to play with Apps I'd just use my phone.

Not to say sony isn't doing anything with the social, app based space either, but it seems they are going for a hardcore Base which is always a great thing for a "Game," Console.

1) MS- game consoles are about a hell of a lot more than gaming these days, and MS is the only one that really gets that. People here will b*tch and moan about the lack of exclusives and handful of Kinect titles, but having that true "third screen" experience is going to be a hell of a lot more valuable than being able to say "PS4: the only place you can play mediocre Killzone and Infamous sequels!" So long as they do something about their XBL subscription  set-up (read: free online play and access to stuff like Netflix) I think it'll be an easy win.

2) Sony- This is more a comment on how badly Nintendo shot themselves in the foot than belief that Sony has something worth buying. It's just too status quo: the games all looked boring (with the exception of multiplats), I don't think the social features go far enough to trump what MS is no doubt working on with XBL, and the genuinely cool Gaikai stuff is apparently work-in-progress/"aspirational". Maybe they have some big surprises saved up for E3, but as-is they don't have the games to sell the PS4 as the "gamer's" console or the features to sell it as the "everyone's" console.

3) Nintendo- They might have had a shot at second if the Wii U had sold like the Wii out of the gate, but its slow sales coupled with another set of "gen and a half) hardware is a recipe for disaster. If they can get the price down and big franchises out fast enough they might be able to salvage things, but as-is the Wii U is almost an impossible sell relative to the Xbox 3 and PS4.

Slow_Show

What the hell did i just read ?!? Those XBL fees have brainwashed you !

1. Sony
2. Ninty
3. M$

Next gen

1. Sony

2. Xbox

3. Nintendo

Consoles

worldwide

1. Sony - 115m

2. Microsoft - 65m

3. nintendo - 60m

US

1. Microsoft - 45m

2. Sony - 44m

3. nintendo - 30m

EU

1. Sony - 55m

2. nintendo - 22m

3. Microsoft - 19.7m

JP

1. Sony - 16m

2. nintendo - 8m

3. Microsoft - 300k

1. Microsoft - we can see this gen that MS has set themselves up for mass market appeal and they will get it as long as THEY DONT BLOCK USED GAMES.
2. Sony - PS4 looks like they corrected some mistakes from the horrid ps3, controller looks MUCH better, Sony fanbase will buy no matter what.
3. Nintendo - WiiU is trash. 

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1) MS- game consoles are about a hell of a lot more than gaming these days, and MS is the only one that really gets that. People here will b*tch and moan about the lack of exclusives and handful of Kinect titles, but having that true "third screen" experience is going to be a hell of a lot more valuable than being able to say "PS4: the only place you can play mediocre Killzone and Infamous sequels!" So long as they do something about their XBL subscription  set-up (read: free online play and access to stuff like Netflix) I think it'll be an easy win.

2) Sony- This is more a comment on how badly Nintendo shot themselves in the foot than belief that Sony has something worth buying. It's just too status quo: the games all looked boring (with the exception of multiplats), I don't think the social features go far enough to trump what MS is no doubt working on with XBL, and the genuinely cool Gaikai stuff is apparently work-in-progress/"aspirational". Maybe they have some big surprises saved up for E3, but as-is they don't have the games to sell the PS4 as the "gamer's" console or the features to sell it as the "everyone's" console.

3) Nintendo- They might have had a shot at second if the Wii U had sold like the Wii out of the gate, but its slow sales coupled with another set of "gen and a half) hardware is a recipe for disaster. If they can get the price down and big franchises out fast enough they might be able to salvage things, but as-is the Wii U is almost an impossible sell relative to the Xbox 3 and PS4.

DISSESHOWEDO

What the hell did i just read ?!? Those XBL fees have brainwashed you !

You mean the best post in the thread thus far? I'm pretty sure that's what you read.

1) MS- game consoles are about a hell of a lot more than gaming these days, and MS is the only one that really gets that. People here will b*tch and moan about the lack of exclusives and handful of Kinect titles, but having that true "third screen" experience is going to be a hell of a lot more valuable than being able to say "PS4: the only place you can play mediocre Killzone and Infamous sequels!" So long as they do something about their XBL subscription  set-up (read: free online play and access to stuff like Netflix) I think it'll be an easy win.

2) Sony- This is more a comment on how badly Nintendo shot themselves in the foot than belief that Sony has something worth buying. It's just too status quo: the games all looked boring (with the exception of multiplats), I don't think the social features go far enough to trump what MS is no doubt working on with XBL, and the genuinely cool Gaikai stuff is apparently work-in-progress/"aspirational". Maybe they have some big surprises saved up for E3, but as-is they don't have the games to sell the PS4 as the "gamer's" console or the features to sell it as the "everyone's" console.

3) Nintendo- They might have had a shot at second if the Wii U had sold like the Wii out of the gate, but its slow sales coupled with another set of "gen and a half) hardware is a recipe for disaster. If they can get the price down and big franchises out fast enough they might be able to salvage things, but as-is the Wii U is almost an impossible sell relative to the Xbox 3 and PS4.

Slow_Show

I should've just quoted this, it's spot on.