Charging for 'Left 4 Dead: Crash Course' On XBL Not Valve's Decision.

Release date please!

Release date please!

PatchMaster

Man, L4D for Xbox is such a bad deal in terms.

Well, MS has expenses too. It's not quite fair to say they're just being greedy, because allowing stuff like this opens the door for a bunch of free content on XBL, which they couldn't manage.

Well, MS has expenses too. It's not quite fair to say they're just being greedy, because allowing stuff like this opens the door for a bunch of free content on XBL, which they couldn't manage.

Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Well, MS has expenses too. It's not quite fair to say they're just being greedy, because allowing stuff like this opens the door for a bunch of free content on XBL, which they couldn't manage.

skrat_01

Valve can manage their content. It isn't so easy for MS because it's not just their own content they need to manage.

Nevermind. Knew L4D was going to be unsupported and rather rubbish anywho thats why i never bothered with it. Waiting on L4D2 which I'll snag on the PC and hope it gets better support.

Nevermind. Knew L4D was going to be unsupported and rather rubbish anywho thats why i never bothered with it. Waiting on L4D2 which I'll snag on the PC and hope it gets better support.

CreepyBacon

some of you act like this is all new.... newsflash microsoft is doing it to you all the time the first day you bought xbox360...

Translation: We valve did not want to foot the bill to certifiy and host the DLC so when we said we still want it for free Microsoft simply added a charge sufficient to cover certification of the DLC and hosting of it and bandwidth.

WilliamRLBaker

I guess all MS bashers don't understand that bandwidth doesn't grow on trees. Sony forces devs to pay every time their content is downloaded on PSN. MS could charge the dev, or the user.

It looks like Valve didn't want to pay for it, so the user gets to. Valve owns Steam. They can do what they want. They pay for the bandwidth on Steam, regardless. I wish fanboys would realize that nothing is truly free. Someone has to pay for it.

But, I guess it's easier to bash MS. It's the trendy thing to do.

What's the problem here? MS own the platform, they can charge what they like. Just as the shopkeeper has the right to tweak his charges.

Valve RRP'd the price at nothing, and MS decided to add on a couple of quid. Oh no, am cry now.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Translation: We valve did not want to foot the bill to certifiy and host the DLC so when we said we still want it for free Microsoft simply added a charge sufficient to cover certification of the DLC and hosting of it and bandwidth.

MortalDecay

I guess all MS bashers don't understand that bandwidth doesn't grow on trees. Sony forces devs to pay every time their content is downloaded on PSN. MS could charge the dev, or the user.

It looks like Valve didn't want to pay for it, so the user gets to. Valve owns Steam. They can do what they want. They pay for the bandwidth on Steam, regardless. I wish fanboys would realize that nothing is truly free. Someone has to pay for it.

But, I guess it's easier to bash MS. It's the trendy thing to do.

Valve can manage their content. It isn't so easy for MS because it's not just their own content they need to manage.

Cherokee_Jack

-Microsoft owns their platform. They wanted to make sure there's an economy of value there

-they have to look and say, wow, we're kind of being unfair to everybody else if these guys can do that.

Which clearly hint that MS wants to keep getting money flowing out of each DLC for profit and clearly wouldn't want more devs. like Valve getting away with free DLC.

Translation: We valve did not want to foot the bill to certifiy and host the DLC so when we said we still want it for free Microsoft simply added a charge sufficient to cover certification of the DLC and hosting of it and bandwidth.

WilliamRLBaker

Then what the hell am I paying $50 a year for?

lol this is quite funny. they charge just to play half a game you already paid for or in the case of L4D 90% of the game and then they charge you for extra content for that game.

wow just wow. wonder when 360 owners will have enough and start boycotting until its free.

washd123

not gonna happend they are called lemmings for a reason

Let's be realistic here. Managing costs are hardly the reason why MS makes devs. charge for their DLC, the answer therein lies in these two line:

-Microsoft owns their platform. They wanted to make sure there's an economy of value there

-they have to look and say, wow, we're kind of being unfair to everybody else if these guys can do that.

Which clearly hint that MS wants to keep getting money flowing out of each DLC for profit and clearly wouldn't want more devs. like Valve getting away with free DLC.

Dystopian-X

Nevermind. Knew L4D was going to be unsupported and rather rubbish anywho thats why i never bothered with it. Waiting on L4D2 which I'll snag on the PC and hope it gets better support.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

lol this is quite funny. they charge just to play half a game you already paid for or in the case of L4D 90% of the game and then they charge you for extra content for that game.

wow just wow. wonder when 360 owners will have enough and start boycotting until its free.

not gonna happend they are called lemmings for a reason

[QUOTE="Cow_tipping"]

[QUOTE="washd123"]

lol this is quite funny. they charge just to play half a game you already paid for or in the case of L4D 90% of the game and then they charge you for extra content for that game.

wow just wow. wonder when 360 owners will have enough and start boycotting until its free.

MortalDecay

not gonna happend they are called lemmings for a reason

how about expecting things to be free that have been free since the start? is that something thats fair? things like this never used to cost money. gaming only has never cost money before LIVE. and hell its not like MS hosts servers for online gaming or anything its a friggin P2P network. and obviously they can do it for free if its been done before

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"] Let's be realistic here. Managing costs are hardly the reason why MS makes devs. charge for their DLC, the answer therein lies in these two line:

-Microsoft owns their platform. They wanted to make sure there's an economy of value there

-they have to look and say, wow, we're kind of being unfair to everybody else if these guys can do that.

Which clearly hint that MS wants to keep getting money flowing out of each DLC for profit and clearly wouldn't want more devs. like Valve getting away with free DLC.

MortalDecay

And more importantly why would Valve blame it on MS with a false claim when MS could easily refute that if it isn't true?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Well, MS has expenses too. It's not quite fair to say they're just being greedy, because allowing stuff like this opens the door for a bunch of free content on XBL, which they couldn't manage.

Cherokee_Jack

Valve can manage their content. It isn't so easy for MS because it's not just their own content they need to manage.

All those demos and trials gee.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="Cow_tipping"]

not gonna happend they are called lemmings for a reason

how about expecting things to be free that have been free since the start? is that something thats fair? things like this never used to cost money. gaming only has never cost money before LIVE. and hell its not like MS hosts servers for online gaming or anything its a friggin P2P network. and obviously they can do it for free if its been done before

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

That *is* greed. If Valve can manage it, Microsoft sure as hell can. They choose not to.Dystopian-X

Valve can manage their content. It isn't so easy for MS because it's not just their own content they need to manage.

All those demos and trials gee.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"] Let's be realistic here. Managing costs are hardly the reason why MS makes devs. charge for their DLC, the answer therein lies in these two line:

-Microsoft owns their platform. They wanted to make sure there's an economy of value there

-they have to look and say, wow, we're kind of being unfair to everybody else if these guys can do that.

Which clearly hint that MS wants to keep getting money flowing out of each DLC for profit and clearly wouldn't want more devs. like Valve getting away with free DLC.

Dystopian-X

And more importantly why would Valve blame it on MS with a false claim when MS could easily refute that if it isn't true?

MS is in this business to make money, just like any other company. Sure, I don't like paying for DLC...No one does, but if it's worth it, I'll do it. If not, I won't buy it.

And I wish people wouldstop withthe delusion that this crap is actually free. Valve pays for hosting it on Steam. Devs pay Sony for hosting it on PSN. It's either way on Live. Someone is paying for it.

Yup, PC version is superior.... yet again.aaronmullan

People who are bringing up the ridiculous argument that Valve doesn't want to pay for bandwidth are nuts.

- People already pay $50 for XBL. You pay for all additional content already. Microsoft gives you next to nothing for this $50. The only thing they provide is matchmaking. Don't act like Microsoft owes us nothing.

- Valve has ridiculous amounts of bandwidth. Ever heard of Steam? If Microsoft would let them, I'm sure they'd integrate Valve servers into the XBL service. Valve is a company.

- Microsoft is obviously money hungry.

MS milkage shines again. It's pathetic how PS3 owners are called cows yet 360 gamers get milked the most. Turtles FTW

Swift_Boss_A

No what's pathetic is that PS3 owners don't even get the game. I don't support any DLC. PC is where its at. If you want to see milkage look at the Disgaea 3 DLC. Now that's horrific.

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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Right...Seeing how Valve isn't going to come out and say, "We don't want to pay for it, so we're making our users pay for it." They have to blame someone. So, yeah...Let's be realistic.

MortalDecay

And more importantly why would Valve blame it on MS with a false claim when MS could easily refute that if it isn't true?

MS is in this business to make money, just like any other company. Sure, I don't like paying for DLC...No one does, but if it's worth it, I'll do it. If not, I won't buy it.

And I wish people wouldstop withthe delusion that this crap is actually free. Valve pays for hosting it on Steam. Devs pay Sony for hosting it on PSN. It's either way on Live. Someone is paying for it.

MS have been charging from the start. :)

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Yup, PC version is superior.... yet again.MortalDecay

Because eventually we hope that you guys get it instead of ignoring it or continuing to make misinformed statemates which is contrary to the norm here.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"] This small DLC is far from being a huge burden and like somebody pointed out, shouldnt Live's fee cover this? Valve even did it before but now MS didn't want them to in order to keep "an economy of value", why is that being ignored?

And more importantly why would Valve blame it on MS with a false claim when MS could easily refute that if it isn't true?

MS is in this business to make money, just like any other company. Sure, I don't like paying for DLC...No one does, but if it's worth it, I'll do it. If not, I won't buy it.

And I wish people wouldstop withthe delusion that this crap is actually free. Valve pays for hosting it on Steam. Devs pay Sony for hosting it on PSN. It's either way on Live. Someone is paying for it.

MS have been charging from the start. :)

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Yup, PC version is superior.... yet again.The__Havoc

Because eventually we hope that you guys get it instead of ignoring it or continuing to make misinformed statemates which is contrary to the norm here.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] I am getting so sick of people downing MS on this issue. So, from now on I am going to challenge anyone in SW to start a service like Live, and see how long they survive before they start charging people. I mean, by SW logic, it'll be easy, because X does it for free...Go ahead, create a Live CLONE, and tell me how it went.

MS is in this business to make money, just like any other company. Sure, I don't like paying for DLC...No one does, but if it's worth it, I'll do it. If not, I won't buy it.

And I wish people wouldstop withthe delusion that this crap is actually free. Valve pays for hosting it on Steam. Devs pay Sony for hosting it on PSN. It's either way on Live. Someone is paying for it.

MS have been charging from the start. :)

lol this is quite funny. they charge just to play half a game you already paid for or in the case of L4D 90% of the game and then they charge you for extra content for that game.

wow just wow. wonder when 360 owners will have enough and start boycotting until its free.

washd123

boycotting is like protesting and both never WORK never have never will

ok you get 500 MS points for £4.25.....now since the DLC is 560 points, I will have to buyextra 500 Points (only coz i need 60 more MS points) for £4.25 so i can get the DLC.

DO NOT WANT.

So this is why XBL is the best huh? :roll:raynimrod

Making me pay for everything makes it feel like I am getting a premium service. :|

...:lol:

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

MS have been charging from the start. :)

Chutebox

ok you get 500 MS points for £4.25.....now since the DLC is 560 points, I will have to buyextra 500 Points (only coz i need 60 more MS points) for £4.25 so i can get the DLC.

DO NOT WANT.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Yup, PC version is superior.... yet again.MortalDecay

boycotting is like protesting and both never WORK never have never will

Addict187

yeah thats why LIVe costs money on the pc still

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

ok you get 500 MS points for £4.25.....now since the DLC is 560 points, I will have to buyextra 500 Points (only coz i need 60 more MS points) for £4.25 so i can get the DLC.

DO NOT WANT.

MortalDecay

dont think you can buyDLC in uks amazon.

"...they have to look and say, wow, we're kind of being unfair to everybody else if these guys can do that."

Yeah right. I bet MS is thinking that :roll:. When they're relly thinking like this. "Dang! We really messed up there. What were we thinking of when we put up content on our platform withou charging for it? We will never make that mistake again."

And I wish people wouldstop withthe delusion that this crap is actually free. Valve pays for hosting it on Steam. Devs pay Sony for hosting it on PSN. It's either way on Live. Someone is paying for it.MortalDecay

yes but they dont pass it on to the consumer. valve is a smaller company than MS with less money. yet they offer the same service as LIVE while hosting DLC and other games for free. that and last time i checked LIVE has ads.

that and the same service is free on the pc.

They can do what they want. They pay for the bandwidth on Steam, regardless. I wish fanboys would realize that nothing is truly free. Someone has to pay for it. But, I guess it's easier to bash MS. It's the trendy thing to doMortalDecay

[QUOTE="washd123"]

lol this is quite funny. they charge just to play half a game you already paid for or in the case of L4D 90% of the game and then they charge you for extra content for that game.

wow just wow. wonder when 360 owners will have enough and start boycotting until its free.

Addict187

boycotting is like protesting and both never WORK never have never will

Protesting has worked before, remember the civil rights movement?

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]And I wish people wouldstop withthe delusion that this crap is actually free. Valve pays for hosting it on Steam. Devs pay Sony for hosting it on PSN. It's either way on Live. Someone is paying for it.washd123

yes but they dont pass it on to the consumer. valve is a smaller company than MS with less money. yet they offer the same service as LIVE while hosting DLC and other games for free. that and last time i checked LIVE has ads.

that and the same service is free on the pc.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Because they knew how much it would cost to run the service, they're not stupid. It's a good thing SW logic is only used in SW.MortalDecay

That's all fine and dandy, but they already charge you in order to make their money. This is literally free money to them. And you don't want to bash MS, but you certainly have no problem taking their side in such arguments and I can't understand why.

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Valve can manage their content. It isn't so easy for MS because it's not just their own content they need to manage.

MortalDecay

All those demos and trials gee.

Yes they *have* to put a price on DLC that the developers wants to put out for free right?

Just *have* too.

They have no other choice whatsoever.

When they have such strong infrastructure, with so much profit coming in from so many areas, let alone enough hosting for free pieces of data available to the end user, you would think it could be given for free as the developer initially wished.

Reality is to Microsoft in the sale of such DLC there is a nice margin of profit to be made, so they will charge for it.

Basic greed, that's it, not caring, its just business.

lol this is quite funny. they charge just to play half a game you already paid for or in the case of L4D 90% of the game and then they charge you for extra content for that game.

wow just wow. wonder when 360 owners will have enough and start boycotting until its free.

washd123

when will lemmings finally get it microsoft wants to milk them for every cent they have...

they want to charge for this and on top of that you have to pay for online next thing you know youll have to pay to use your own joysticks.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

lol this is quite funny. they charge just to play half a game you already paid for or in the case of L4D 90% of the game and then they charge you for extra content for that game.

wow just wow. wonder when 360 owners will have enough and start boycotting until its free.

simslifer

when will lemmings finally get it microsoft wants to milk them for every cent they have...

they want to charge for this and on top of that you have to pay for online next thing you know youll have to pay to use your own joysticks.

every company wants to milk consumers + i would rather get milked for a quality online service then not pay and use a mediocre online service.