Check it out, cheap DX10 PC's for the price of consoles

www.cyberpowerpc.com

Wonderful deals. for all those blabbing "PC gaming is teh expensive" fanboys,Thouhathbeen Owned !

Should you feel ripped off by the deal of your console, emmhmm I think you should.

The AMD one has 2 8500 in SLI, it also comes with free games call of Juarz, Rise of Nation Legends, and Age of Empires 3

My 8800GTS can barely do DX10 worth doing, what makes you think those cheap ass PC's are any better?

Look like they could barely run Vista, nevermind a DX10 game on anything higher than 640.

My 8800GTS can barely do DX10 worth doing, what makes you think those cheap ass PC's are any better?

Look like they could barely run Vista, nevermind a DX10 game on anything higher than 640.

MrGrimFandango

Thats not really a good PCLonelynight

It still kicks your PS3 and 360's A**

[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

My 8800GTS can barely do DX10 worth doing, what makes you think those cheap ass PC's are any better?

Look like they could barely run Vista, nevermind a DX10 game on anything higher than 640.

BEAN_LARD_MULCH

The $300 one would chug along in Vista, maybe it was an exaggeration but they still completely suck, for DX10.

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

My 8800GTS can barely do DX10 worth doing, what makes you think those cheap ass PC's are any better?

Look like they could barely run Vista, nevermind a DX10 game on anything higher than 640.

MrGrimFandango

The $300 one would chug along in Vista, maybe it was an exaggeration but they still completely suck, for DX10.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Thats not really a good PChamidious

It still kicks your PS3 and 360's A**

The best of those 4 has 2 terrible video cards SLIed and you think you have merit in what you speak?

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Thats not really a good PChamidious

It still kicks your PS3 and 360's A**

I don't own a console:|

I'm a PC gamer:|

I managed to make a high end PC based on the AMD one, but changed the 2 8500 with a 8800GTX, and upgraded the CPU. My aim was to create something that could run crysis at max settings, It came to 1120$ with windows andwithout the monitor.

Lonelynight, the PC is good, just cuz you don't like the 8500, doesn't mean you can't exchange it like I did above.

+ You get 3 games( Call of Juarz, Rise of Nation: Rise of Legends and Age of Empire 3)+ DVD SuitCase +T-shirt. I think I would call that a great deal.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Thats not really a good PChamidious

It still kicks your PS3 and 360's A**

Here is something for you to consider. You PC faboys are just as obnoxious as cows and lemmings. Did you ever think that some like to game on their couch or just don't care about PC gaming? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours isn't very open.

My 8800GTS can barely do DX10 worth doing, what makes you think those cheap ass PC's are any better?

Look like they could barely run Vista, nevermind a DX10 game on anything higher than 640.

MrGrimFandango

Yeah, that's pure bull, because my computer is like 2-3 years old with parts like an X700, 1.5GB RAM, ranked in Vista a 4 or something, and it runs Vista perfect.

[QUOTE="hamidious"]

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Thats not really a good PCd3thm0nkey

It still kicks your PS3 and 360's A**

Here is something for you to consider. You PC faboys are just as obnoxious as cows and lemmings. Did you ever think that some like to game on their couch or just don't care about PC gaming? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours isn't very open.

My argument was against "teh PC gameing is teh expensive", I didn't sayanything about preferences or opinions or couch potatoes, I am talking about facts.

I managed to make a high end PC based on the AMD one, but changed the 2 8500 with a 8800GTX, and upgraded the CPU. My aim was to create something that could run crysis at max settings, It came to 1120$ with windows andwithout the monitor.

Lonelynight, the PC is good, just cuz you don't like the 8500, doesn't mean you can't exchange it like I did above.

+ You get 3 games( Call of Juarz, Rise of Nation: Rise of Legends and Age of Empire 3)+ DVD SuitCase +T-shirt. I think I would call that a great deal.

hamidious

Um....the CPU in those PCs are all fine if not to the point of being excessive. The only weak point is the video cards, but considering they're SLI, they shouldn't be terrible (they'll run Crysis, probably mid settings respectably). They all come with monitors and presumably Windows, also, so you're bloating the price terribly.

[QUOTE="hamidious"]

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Thats not really a good PCd3thm0nkey

It still kicks your PS3 and 360's A**

Here is something for you to consider. You PC faboys are just as obnoxious as cows and lemmings. Did you ever think that some like to game on their couch or just don't care about PC gaming? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours isn't very open.

Um....lawl, point has been nullified many a time here on system wars. You can game on your couch with a PC, and on an HDTV too.

And it's completely besides the point that you don't care about PC gaming, don't come to system wars to whine, come to system wars to get preached to.

an 8500 is one of the worst DX10 cards you can get, it doesn't compare to whats in the ps3 and 360DriftMax

There are two of them.

On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5913.html

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance.

Considering that a 7950 is at LEAST comparable to if not fairly superior to both the RSX and the Xenon, I would go ahead and say that the 8500 is no slouch and these PCs are definitely worth the amount of money you're paying.

But, then again, I'm getting a 3526 with my OCed 7800 GS with a Pentium D 2.8 Ghz....and that doesn't make any sense, since they're both using 3Dmark06.

On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5913.html

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance.

Considering that a 7950 is at LEAST comparable to if not fairly superior to both the RSX and the Xenon, I would go ahead and say that the 8500 is no slouch and these PCs are definitely worth the amount of money you're paying.

But, then again, I'm getting a 3526 with my OCed 7800 GS with a Pentium D 2.8 Ghz....and that doesn't make any sense, since they're both using 3Dmark06.

Redfingers

Yeah, great deals! ..if you wanna pay extra for neon lights... :P Well, seriously speaking, they do offer 8800 systems with all the necessary crap (except the monitor) for 1.2K which is a lot better what some others give you, you can even get E6750+8800GTS system for 1K with the crap removed(free Vista), so not bad deals at all.EntwineX

Well, also, assuming you actually have a PC (I'm assuming none of you are using...lol, Opera browser), you can save even more. Let's say you've got a piece of junk 17" LCD monitor like I do capable of output in 1280x1024 (superior to most console games)....you can take that, your speakers, your sound card, your mobo (assuming you're PCI-E), and processor, and probably just throw an extra stick of RAM and a video card in there and be blazing on all cylinders.

I don't understand why this is so hard to argue here. Especially considering the outrageous prices of getting a 720p TV....it's at least comparable to the price of an 8800 GTX or 8800 GTS SLI on the LOW end of the spectrum.

If you're talking about a high end Sony LCD, forget about it, you're budget's already broke. That, and surround sound.

Anyway, with a power supply, a cheapo mo-bo, a decent low end sub $100-core 2 duo, some extra RAM, and a viddy card, and you're ready for the newest games out there.

On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5913.html

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance.

Considering that a 7950 is at LEAST comparable to if not fairly superior to both the RSX and the Xenon, I would go ahead and say that the 8500 is no slouch and these PCs are definitely worth the amount of money you're paying.

But, then again, I'm getting a 3526 with my OCed 7800 GS with a Pentium D 2.8 Ghz....and that doesn't make any sense, since they're both using 3Dmark06.

Redfingers

Anyone that thinks that a 8500 is better then 7950gt is an idiot, a 8500 is not made for gaming and the people that buy it for gaming need to learn a little about computers. a 8500 is comparable to 7300gs but even that is stretching it.

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5913.html

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance.

Considering that a 7950 is at LEAST comparable to if not fairly superior to both the RSX and the Xenon, I would go ahead and say that the 8500 is no slouch and these PCs are definitely worth the amount of money you're paying.

But, then again, I'm getting a 3526 with my OCed 7800 GS with a Pentium D 2.8 Ghz....and that doesn't make any sense, since they're both using 3Dmark06.

EntwineX

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2114756,00.asp

Um, okay, but here's some benchmarks on the 8600 outperforming in many instances the X1950 on the low end model. The high end model destroys everything in the test.

Offer me some benchmarks to compare plz.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Thats not really a good PChamidious

It still kicks your PS3 and 360's A**

Not really no, those cards are severely underpowered..every single one of them. They were never intended for gaming and the 7800GTX-based RSX kills them. BTW, I'm using this so I could really care less about DX10.

[QUOTE="DriftMax"]an 8500 is one of the worst DX10 cards you can get, it doesn't compare to whats in the ps3 and 360Redfingers

There are two of them.

Doesn't matter..if I'm remembering correctly a 7600GT outperforms those in some ways.

On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5913.html

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance.

Considering that a 7950 is at LEAST comparable to if not fairly superior to both the RSX and the Xenon, I would go ahead and say that the 8500 is no slouch and these PCs are definitely worth the amount of money you're paying.

But, then again, I'm getting a 3526 with my OCed 7800 GS with a Pentium D 2.8 Ghz....and that doesn't make any sense, since they're both using 3Dmark06.

Redfingers

Try reading what he links to next time:

"We have some preliminary scores for you at this point of time where its performance is slightly better than the current GeForce 7600 GS series. Its 3DMark06 scores (1280x1024) stood at 22xx and 3DMark05 (1024x768) scores stood at around 42xx on a Core 2 Duo X6800 processor. Its DX10 performance is yet to be seen. 8500GT will be priced between US$79 to US$99."

Its a joke that anybody would think that they are better than a 7950.

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5913.html

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance.

Considering that a 7950 is at LEAST comparable to if not fairly superior to both the RSX and the Xenon, I would go ahead and say that the 8500 is no slouch and these PCs are definitely worth the amount of money you're paying.

But, then again, I'm getting a 3526 with my OCed 7800 GS with a Pentium D 2.8 Ghz....and that doesn't make any sense, since they're both using 3Dmark06.

DriftMax

Anyone that thinks that a 8500 is better then 7950gt is an idiot, a 8500 is not made for gaming and the people that buy it for gaming need to learn a little about computers. a 8500 is comparable to 7300gs but even that is stretching it.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4762

Are you sure? Like, prove these wrong.

[QUOTE="EntwineX"][QUOTE="Redfingers"]

On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5913.html

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance.

Considering that a 7950 is at LEAST comparable to if not fairly superior to both the RSX and the Xenon, I would go ahead and say that the 8500 is no slouch and these PCs are definitely worth the amount of money you're paying.

But, then again, I'm getting a 3526 with my OCed 7800 GS with a Pentium D 2.8 Ghz....and that doesn't make any sense, since they're both using 3Dmark06.

Redfingers

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2114756,00.asp

Um, okay, but here's some benchmarks on the 8600 outperforming in many instances the X1950 on the low end model. The high end model destroys everything in the test.

Offer me some benchmarks to compare plz.

And for the lazy:

X1950 destroys the low-end DX10 cards. 8600GTS is pretty even or better with some tests, but 8600GT, even the superclocked loses nearly always, and 8500GT doesn't stand a chance.

Try reading what he links to next time:

"We have some preliminary scores for you at this point of time where its performance is slightly better than the current GeForce 7600 GS series. Its 3DMark06 scores (1280x1024) stood at 22xx and 3DMark05 (1024x768) scores stood at around 42xx on a Core 2 Duo X6800 processor. Its DX10 performance is yet to be seen. 8500GT will be priced between US$79 to US$99."

Its a joke that anybody would think that they are better than a 7950.

Runningflame570

"This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT."

Sorry, sweetie, you're editing. Heavily. Read it again please.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2114756,00.asp

Um, okay, but here's some benchmarks on the 8600 outperforming in many instances the X1950 on the low end model. The high end model destroys everything in the test.

Offer me some benchmarks to compare plz.

Redfingers

First of all you are talking about overclocked cards. Second of all the 8500 is NOT the 8600GTS.

"This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT."

Sorry, sweetie, you're editing. Heavily. Read it again please.

Redfingers

Except thats not what the place they are referencing says..at all.

[QUOTE="Redfingers"][QUOTE="EntwineX"][QUOTE="Redfingers"]

On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5913.html

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance.

Considering that a 7950 is at LEAST comparable to if not fairly superior to both the RSX and the Xenon, I would go ahead and say that the 8500 is no slouch and these PCs are definitely worth the amount of money you're paying.

But, then again, I'm getting a 3526 with my OCed 7800 GS with a Pentium D 2.8 Ghz....and that doesn't make any sense, since they're both using 3Dmark06.

EntwineX

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2114756,00.asp

Um, okay, but here's some benchmarks on the 8600 outperforming in many instances the X1950 on the low end model. The high end model destroys everything in the test.

Offer me some benchmarks to compare plz.

It looks like a mixed bag to me. The 8600 GTS even outperforms the x1950 in some instances. No matter how you slice it, it's a competent card. It's totally ridiculous that you're talking down with me when you're looking at numbers from, what, 5 different sources?

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2114756,00.asp

Um, okay, but here's some benchmarks on the 8600 outperforming in many instances the X1950 on the low end model. The high end model destroys everything in the test.

Offer me some benchmarks to compare plz.

Runningflame570

First of all you are talking about overclocked cards. Second of all the 8500 is NOT the 8600GTS.

They're not overclocked.

I know the 8500 isn't the 8600 and noted where necessary. Bring me the benchmarks, please.

Bring the information that refutes it, instead of playing this damn game. I'm not trying to fool anybody, I'm showing you what I found.

Baby games, I swear, they're the makeup of this whole forum.

Point, Entwine?

Point, Entwine?

Redfingers

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

Point, Entwine?

EntwineX

I pretty much said it outperforms it in some instances and it performs competently. That's self-evident.

Tomshardware

8500GT sucks, plain and simple, it's not for gaming. 8600GT loses to high-end X1 and 7series.

8500 Beats the GPU's on the PS3 and 360. Furthermore, in SLI, it's overkill,enough said.hamidious

Now that's complete and utter fabrication.

You can't prove that and the benchmarks I've been linking to shed further doubt. The 8600 GTS runs SupCom at 32 frames at 1280x1024....the 8500 is probably significantly inferior (however, you can get a 512 MB model).

The question here is whether the 8500 in SLI can perform competently when compared directly to the console GPUs.

8500GT sucks, plain and simple, it's not for gaming. 8600GT loses to high-end X1 and 7series.

EntwineX

Listen, you do realize why were discussing the 8500 GT? It's because it's in the PC package in SLI.

Could a 8500 GT in SLI (512, let's say) perform equivalently to a x1900? How about a 7900?

If it can, it's comparable to the console GPUs.

Not the 8500, the 8500 in SLI as available in the package in the OP.

It looks like a mixed bag to me. The 8600 GTS even outperforms the x1950 in some instances. No matter how you slice it, it's a competent card. It's totally ridiculous that you're talking down with me when you're looking at numbers from, what, 5 different sources?

Redfingers

Except none of those systems come with the 8600GTS even non-overclocked (which is what the benchmarks you are referring to look at) and the 8500GT..well its hard to tell do to lack of many reviews but heres one that I did find. Aimed at replacing the 7300GT and 7600GS, the GeForce 8500GT is an entry level card.

[QUOTE="EntwineX"][QUOTE="Redfingers"]

Point, Entwine?

Redfingers

I pretty much said it outperforms it in some instances and it performs competently. That's self-evident.

"On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance."

8600GT is comparable to X1950 yes, but that wasn't what you were saying.

8500 Beats the GPU's on the PS3 and 360. Furthermore, in SLI, it's overkill,enough said.hamidious

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]

8500GT sucks, plain and simple, it's not for gaming. 8600GT loses to high-end X1 and 7series.

Redfingers

Listen, you do realize why were discussing the 8500 GT? It's because it's in the PC package in SLI.

Could a 8500 GT in SLI (512, let's say) perform equivalently to a x1900? How about a 7900?

If it can, it's comparable to the console GPUs.

Not the 8500, the 8500 in SLI as available in the package in the OP.

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

It looks like a mixed bag to me. The 8600 GTS even outperforms the x1950 in some instances. No matter how you slice it, it's a competent card. It's totally ridiculous that you're talking down with me when you're looking at numbers from, what, 5 different sources?

Runningflame570

Except none of those systems come with the 8600GTS even non-overclocked (which is what the benchmarks you are referring to look at) and the 8500GT..well its hard to tell do to lack of many reviews but heres one that I did find. Aimed at replacing the 7300GT and 7600GS, the GeForce 8500GT is an entry level card.

Okay. Well, if the 8500 GT performs similarly to the 7600, let's look at this differently.

Sony claimed that the RSX could outperform two 6800s in SLI. If the 8500 GT performs similarly to the 7600 (it's numbers are very similar), in SLI it could match the RSX, as it would of course ALSO outperform two 6800s in SLI.

[QUOTE="Redfingers"][QUOTE="EntwineX"][QUOTE="Redfingers"]

Point, Entwine?

EntwineX

I pretty much said it outperforms it in some instances and it performs competently. That's self-evident.

"On the other hand, GeForce 8500 is said to end up at about 2200 points with a Core 2 Extreme 6800. This is slightly better than the current GeForce 7950GT, 7900GS and 7600GT.

Well, these benchmarks seem to say that it outperforms a 7950 GT and 7900 GS in single card mode. With SLI, it should achieve respectable performance."

8600GT is comparable to X1950 yes, but that wasn't what you were saying.

Of course that wasn't what I was saying, it was all for perspective, context.

They're not overclocked.

I know the 8500 isn't the 8600 and noted where necessary. Bring me the benchmarks, please.

Bring the information that refutes it, instead of playing this damn game. I'm not trying to fool anybody, I'm showing you what I found.

Redfingers

The ones in the extremetech review are overclocked. Also please reference my last posting.

Okay. Well, if the 8500 GT performs similarly to the 7600, let's look at this differently.

Sony claimed that the RSX could outperform two 6800s in SLI. If the 8500 GT performs similarly to the 7600 (it's numbers are very similar), in SLI it could match the RSX, as it would of course ALSO outperform two 6800s in SLI.

Redfingers

1) I would like a link to where Sony said that because I've never heard it before.

2) Its generally been agreed upon that the RSX is roughly equivalent to a 7800GTX which outright kills the 8500GT.