Chief Architect of Cell Processor for PS3 says 360 and PS3 are equal!

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

i think his facts are screwed up

ps3_owns_360Wii

why cant we just determined which system is stronger by the graphics they produce?

alot of users dont even know what they are talking about when it comes to console hardware:?

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]Oh, I KNOW his facts are screwed up. IIRC he used to argue for BR making better graphics, yet in this thread it appears that he finally learned a few things from being shot down on his prior assertions of PS3 power dominance.Steppy_76

why cant we just determined which system is stronger by the graphics they produce?

alot of users dont even know what they are talking about when it comes to console hardware:?

many people use multi-plats to compare graphics, while we should be comparing exclusive. Kz2 barely beats Gears 2.

many multi-plats are the same, but with only a few minor details that separate them apart.

You lemmings and your "multiplats tend to look better" arguement... Doesn't exclusive games that look better then those multiplats kill that arguement? Your supposed to be argueing which is more powerfull, not which is easier to develop for. Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]You lemmings and your "multiplats tend to look better" arguement... Doesn't exclusive games that look better then those multiplats kill that arguement? Your supposed to be argueing which is more powerfull, not which is easier to develop for. SpruceCaboose

for me specs are useless for consoles.

its how the developer uses the hardware.

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] lol, and the cell used for that IS NOT the same one that is in the PS3Steppy_76

for me specs are useless for consoles.

its how the developer uses the hardware.

ps3_owns_360Wii

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Sorry man not even close. He was staying away from the fire on that last coment. Im sure you failed to notice when he said, So in the PS3, you've got this Cell chip which has massive parallel processing power. The GPU in the PS3 is actually stronger. Think of it this way 7 is always better than 3. You can have 7 SPUs doing there own task were as the 360 only has 3 Cores which are dual thread. There is no comparison. The 360 dose not not have a stronger GPU either being there is 256mb ram per SPU and also the PPE the Cell its self can produce the GPU capability of the 360 little lone the actuall GPU.1 PPE dual thread and 6 SPEs single thread do the math. Spin that.ps3_owns_360Wii

the cell doesnt have 256mb per spe either, that would be alot of ram. both systems have 512 mb but its just disturbed differently

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Sorry navyguy but your wrong. The same cell thats in the PS3 is being used in HDTVs and also Medical equipment. They also combined 6 PS3s together and it was stronger than any super computer they put it up against. Man you just wont admit or say anything nice about PS3. Id say your 600% lemmings with a twist. So i thought i didnt have a 360, weird i havent heard a word since you saw the pics. Told you foot would be inserted to mouth.djsifer01

"At the end of the day, when you put it all together, depending on the software, i think they're pretty equal" David Shippy,chief architect and technical leader of the PowerPC microprocessor for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 game machinesfortehlose

Yes it dose. 256mb embedded ram per SPE look it up.djsifer01

You lemmings and your "multiplats tend to look better" arguement... Doesn't exclusive games that look better then those multiplats kill that arguement? Your supposed to be argueing which is more powerfull, not which is easier to develop for. Eddie-Vedder

Yes it dose. 256mb embedded ram per SPE look it up.djsifer01

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Yes it dose. 256mb embedded ram per SPE look it up.SpruceCaboose

and thats why developers are complaining about not enough RAM:roll:

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Yes it dose. 256mb embedded ram per SPE look it up.ps3_owns_360Wii

and thats why developers are complaining about not enough RAM:roll:

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]7 is not always better than 3. If everything else is equal, then that's the case, but each of the 3 cores in the 360 is general purpose that can do any task, while the 6 usable SPEs in the PS3 are more specialized and can only do certain tasks well. Lastly, you are basing all of you conclusions on both GPU's running at 100% efficiency, while ignoring the fact that the rigid nature of the RSX prohibits this and keeps it much farther away from its theoretical maximum than the flexible nature of the xenos allows. In realworld scenarios the more efficient Xenos chip ends up with higher performance than the inefficient RSX even though the RSX has a higher theoretical ceiling.djsifer01

the cell doesnt have 256mb per spe either, that would be alot of ram. both systems have 512 mb but its just disturbed differently

Thats what I have been saying since specs on both surfaced in 2005....SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Sorry navyguy but your wrong. The same cell thats in the PS3 is being used in HDTVs and also Medical equipment. They also combined 6 PS3s together and it was stronger than any super computer they put it up against. Man you just wont admit or say anything nice about PS3. Id say your 600% lemmings with a twist. So i thought i didnt have a 360, weird i havent heard a word since you saw the pics. Told you foot would be inserted to mouth.djsifer01

As for the person saying the PS3 was better than supercomputers:

The first laboratory in the United States to receive the Blue Gene/P was Argonne National Laboratory. The first racks of the Blue Gene/P shipped in fall 2007. The first installment was a 111-teraflop system, which has approximately 32,000 processors, and was operational for the US research community in spring 2008.[14] The full Intrepid system is ranked #3 on the June 2008 Top 500 list.

The PS3 can do 2 teraflops as per Sony's press releases. The Blue Gene at Argonne National Labs does 111 teraflops and its not even at maximum capacity and is #3 in the world ATM.

Link for proofSpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]As for the person saying the PS3 was better than supercomputers:

The first laboratory in the United States to receive the Blue Gene/P was Argonne National Laboratory. The first racks of the Blue Gene/P shipped in fall 2007. The first installment was a 111-teraflop system, which has approximately 32,000 processors, and was operational for the US research community in spring 2008.[14] The full Intrepid system is ranked #3 on the June 2008 Top 500 list.

The PS3 can do 2 teraflops as per Sony's press releases. The Blue Gene at Argonne National Labs does 111 teraflops and its not even at maximum capacity and is #3 in the world ATM.

Link for proofSteppy_76

As for the person saying the PS3 was better than supercomputers:

The first laboratory in the United States to receive the Blue Gene/P was Argonne National Laboratory. The first racks of the Blue Gene/P shipped in fall 2007. The first installment was a 111-teraflop system, which has approximately 32,000 processors, and was operational for the US research community in spring 2008. The full Intrepid system is ranked #3 on the June 2008 Top 500 list.

The PS3 can do 2 teraflops as per Sony's press releases. The Blue Gene at Argonne National Labs does 111 teraflops and its not even at maximum capacity and is #3 in the world ATM.

Link for proofSpruceCaboose

does that mean 32000 cell processers?

if so i dont see why people claim the ps3 as a supercomputer

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]As for the person saying the PS3 was better than supercomputers:

The first laboratory in the United States to receive the Blue Gene/P was Argonne National Laboratory. The first racks of the Blue Gene/P shipped in fall 2007. The first installment was a 111-teraflop system, which has approximately 32,000 processors, and was operational for the US research community in spring 2008. The full Intrepid system is ranked #3 on the June 2008 Top 500 list.

The PS3 can do 2 teraflops as per Sony's press releases. The Blue Gene at Argonne National Labs does 111 teraflops and its not even at maximum capacity and is #3 in the world ATM.

Link for proofps3_owns_360Wii

does that mean 32000 cell processers?

if so i dont see why people claim the ps3 as a supercomputer

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]As for the person saying the PS3 was better than supercomputers:

The first laboratory in the United States to receive the Blue Gene/P was Argonne National Laboratory. The first racks of the Blue Gene/P shipped in fall 2007. The first installment was a 111-teraflop system, which has approximately 32,000 processors, and was operational for the US research community in spring 2008. The full Intrepid system is ranked #3 on the June 2008 Top 500 list.

The PS3 can do 2 teraflops as per Sony's press releases. The Blue Gene at Argonne National Labs does 111 teraflops and its not even at maximum capacity and is #3 in the world ATM.

Link for proofSpruceCaboose

does that mean 32000 cell processers?

if so i dont see why people claim the ps3 as a supercomputer

just like the old NASA videos:lol:

just like the old NASA videos:lol:

ps3_owns_360Wii

It sound like the Cell processor is doing exactly what it's designed for. "Provide power-efficient and cost-effective high-performance processing for a wide range of applications, including the most demanding consumer appliance: game consoles".

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

just like the old NASA videos:lol:

SpruceCaboose

Actually a cell phone is 10 times as powerful than the equipment used by Nasa in that time.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

just like the old NASA videos:lol:

dream431ca

Actually a cell phone is 10 times as powerful than the equipment used by Nasa in that time.

You guys really have to stop with these misleading topic titles. :|dream431ca

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Except tons faster than anything NASA had in those old videos. Heck, your PC is probably miles better than most of NASA's equipment from the space race age.SpruceCaboose

Actually a cell phone is 10 times as powerful than the equipment used by Nasa in that time.

No, not really. Since technology's speed doubles every 9 months, it's true.

"depending on the software."

That's quite a concession considering he's commenting on hardware.

The Cell is not the only part of the PS3. It's not as if he helped construct the console itself and that his opinion is the be all end all of what the consoles [are/are not]. The controversey continues.

No, not really. Since technology's speed doubles every 9 months, it's true.

dream431ca

Cell Processor is only a fantasy of Sonys.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]You guys really have to stop with these misleading topic titles. :|Steppy_76

It is misleading. If you read the article, he explains that the Cell can handle up to 8 or 9 threads at once while the 360 can only handle 6. The Cell is more powerful, but then he explains when you factor in the GPU, the 2 systems are almost equal, but that depends on the developer.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

No, not really. Since technology's speed doubles every 9 months, it's true.

SpruceCaboose

I see your point now.

Cell Processor is only a fantasy of Sonys.

Leo-Magic

[QUOTE="loco145"]The main (or only) Graphics advantage the Ps3 have over the 360 is the Blueray disc space. navyguy21

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Actually a cell phone is 10 times as powerful than the equipment used by Nasa in that time.

dream431ca

No, not really. Since technology's speed doubles every 9 months, it's true.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Also probably right on the money as well. Scary to imagine that though, isn't it?Steppy_76

No, not really. Since technology's speed doubles every 9 months, it's true.

I read it in a book I recently finished, and yes it was Moore's law. I guess I was wrong about the 9 months.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]You guys really have to stop with these misleading topic titles. :|dream431ca

It is misleading. If you read the article, he explains that the Cell can handle up to 8 or 9 threads at once while the 360 can only handle 6. The Cell is more powerful, but then he explains when you factor in the GPU, the 2 systems are almost equal, but that depends on the developer.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]You guys really have to stop with these misleading topic titles. :|dream431ca

It is misleading. If you read the article, he explains that the Cell can handle up to 8 or 9 threads at once while the 360 can only handle 6. The Cell is more powerful, but then he explains when you factor in the GPU, the 2 systems are almost equal, but that depends on the developer.

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Yes it dose. 256mb embedded ram per SPE look it up.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Also probably right on the money as well. Scary to imagine that though, isn't it?FragTycoon

:lol:

;)

what is that?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Yes it dose. 256mb embedded ram per SPE look it up.djsifer01

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Yes it dose. 256mb embedded ram per SPE look it up.djsifer01

how about you provide a link, instead of saying that you "know the inside of the ps3"