Classic franchises corrupted by casuals...Fallout, XCom

This is not necessarily news. What it is, however, is a place for you to discuss the epic failure contained in the following news tidbits. They indicate the general move in the industry towards homogenized junk that appeals to mindless Monster-drinking teens/fratboys.

In the latest game informer we are informed that Bioshock 2 developer 2K Marin has unfortunately been given an opportunity to violate the X-Com franchise's memory by mutating it into a first-person shooter. Is this X-Com? No, but it is a cute attempt to dupe oldschool fans.

There is a very large preview feature of Fallout New Vegas in the same issue. I was excited to dig in. On page 66, or page 5 of the preview, they reveal that the game will have ironsights as opposed to the zoom mechanic of Fallout 3. Great, I thought, I hate z.....wait, WHAT? Okay, so Fallout New Vegas will feature the real-time gameplay of Fallout 3 and it will take place in the first person perspective. In other words you can play the game like a first person shooter.

The best and most loved turn-based RPGs of gaming history have been turned into first-person shooters. Discuss.

In other words you can play the game like a first person shooter.Brownesque

Neither Xcom or Fallout has been corrupted by casuals. It's the developers themselves that has become corrupted by greed.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]In other words you can play the game like a first person shooter.GeneralShowzer

Well, dunno, perhaps because those games weren't shooters originally? :roll:

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Welcome to 2010 where the entire of society has a short attention span and people only want two things. Explosions and boobs.-Feath-

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]In other words you can play the game like a first person shooter.IgGy621985

Well, dunno, perhaps because those games weren't shooters originally? :roll:

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Yangire

Another example is

Real Super Mario Bros 2

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Doki Doki American Mario

Yangire

Although Both Games were very hard.

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]Welcome to 2010 where the entire of society has a short attention span and people only want two things. Explosions and boobs.JLF1

X-Com hasn't been X-Com since Interceptor. Some may argue Apocalypse is the first step in the downward slide of the franchise.

Since Fallout 3 was so good, I'm willing to see how iron sights works out.

And don't try to act like Fallout 3 was a classic, made for the true RPG gamers. It didn't really compare to the old series, it was already casualised.GeneralShowzer

I wont. IMO, Fallout 3 was a complete, soulless crap, even with all the mods and it's definitely not a classic.

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Eleckidding

Super Mario Bros 2 would have been better if it was a spin-off, instead of being in the main series.

Too bad for you.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]Welcome to 2010 where the entire of society has a short attention span and people only want two things. Explosions and boobs.-Feath-

Welcome to 2010 where the entire of society has a short attention span and people only want two things. Explosions and boobs.-Feath-

And to complain about everything in internet forums.

I don't care if fall out 3 was ''casualized'' It was a very enjoyable game that got AAA.

Now you can whine all about as much you want.

Splinter Cell, turned form one of the best stealth games ever made into a stealth game, minus the stealth.

I don't think they're corrupted by "casuals", I think developers and publishers are starting to realize that they have a potentially larger audience by making their titles more accessible. Fallout 3 and TESIV: Oblivion are pretty damn good examples of games that while taking a hit in some RPG mechanics, end up being very "playable".

I think gamers need to understand that for some of these franchises to make these come backs it is necessary for them to undergo some modifications to bring them into the now. In Fallout's case I'm just glad they gave the series a reboot at all.

that FPS isnt Xcom, it has the same name nothing else

Fallout 3 was a good game, it wasnt casual at all stop being so elitist

i would say battlefield and diablo 3

I don't think they're corrupted by "casuals", I think developers and publishers are starting to realize that they have a potentially larger audience by making their titles more accessible. Fallout 3 and TESIV: Oblivion are pretty damn good examples of games that while taking a hit in some RPG mechanics, end up being very "playable".

I think gamers need to understand that for some of these franchises to make these come backs it is necessary for them to undergo some modifications to bring them into the now. In Fallout's case I'm just glad they gave the series a reboot at all.

-RPGamer-

Very well said. Change can be good sometimes. Your favorite franchise may not be the same as you remember it, but it could still be very good.

that FPS isnt Xcom, it has the same name nothing else

Fallout 3 was a good game, it wasnt casual at all stop being so elitist

i would say battlefield and diablo 3

Ultizer

Lol funny thread. You're delusional if you think Casuals ever cared even a little bit about those franchises. Blame the developers for ruining your precious games.

I would put more of my blame on the console makers. It's their fault that game makers nowadays have to spend tens of millions of dollars for a single AAA game, and it's too much of a risk to not go with what works. Hell, even Sony can't get out of the red, and they've got quite a few of their own million + sellers under their belt this gen.

It's because of this that the game developers have to develop their games in such a way.

I expect that next gen will focus entirely on software, and not on hardware. Consoles won't come packed with the most powerful processors, or video cards, but instead their key selling points will be the software that comes with it kinda like Xbox Live, PS Home, the Game Room, etc. If not I expect a video game crash. Completely sincere with that statement.

Welcome to 2010 where the entire of society has a short attention span and people only want two things. Explosions and boobs.-Feath-

I would prefer they combined the 2, and gave us exploding boobs

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]Welcome to 2010 where the entire of society has a short attention span and people only want two things. Explosions and boobs.ArcticWolf77

I would prefer they combined the 2, and gave us exploding boobs

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]Welcome to 2010 where the entire of society has a short attention span and people only want two things. Explosions and boobs.ArcticWolf77

I would prefer they combined the 2, and gave us exploding boobs

I much prefer the boobs stay as boobs rather than a nasty mess that doesn't come out of your curtains :(

[QUOTE="Eleckidding"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

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Yangire

Super Mario Bros 2 would have been better if it was a spin-off, instead of being in the main series.

It originally wasn't even a Mario game. The game we got was a title called Doki Doki Panic, except with all the sprites replaced with Mario related ones.

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[QUOTE="Eleckidding"] This is pretty much the best example, yet I prefer Super Mario 2 USA to the lost levels.ThePlothole

Super Mario Bros 2 would have been better if it was a spin-off, instead of being in the main series.

It originally wasn't even a Mario game. The game we got was a title called Doki Doki Panic, with all the sprites replaced with Mario related ones.

Yeah, I know, but considering they sold it as a Mario game it should have been an spin-off.

RE? COD? R6? SC? mario? Zelda? CIV? Age ofE? and many others.All in my opinion have been casualized but that's just me.Not to say that casualiztion is a bad thing in some cases.

oh yeah I forgot fallout, and Mass2 somewhat

I enjoy the pain you feel because casuals who don't care about whether devs suck up to them are somehow ruining your games. Its funny.

Unfortunately, I think Mafia will be taking the same route.mo0ksi

Combat sucked outside of VATS, they're just making the combat funner and easier to use.

I know most ppl don't care but you have to understand that most critics if not all.. consider it the greatest pc game of all time... The recent news and rage about it going FPS is justified.. just imagine if civilization 5 was announced that it would be a fps with no similarities to previous civ games..

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Unfortunately, I think Mafia will be taking the same route.GeneralShowzer

No franchise has been corrupted by casuals, franchises have only been streamlined by design choices their developers thought were better than previous ones.

This is not necessarily news. What it is, however, is a place for you to discuss the epic failure contained in the following news tidbits. They indicate the general move in the industry towards homogenized junk that appeals to mindless Monster-drinking teens/fratboys.

In the latest game informer we are informed that Bioshock 2 developer 2K Marin has unfortunately been given an opportunity to violate the X-Com franchise's memory by mutating it into a first-person shooter. Is this X-Com? No, but it is a cute attempt to dupe oldschool fans.

There is a very large preview feature of Fallout New Vegas in the same issue. I was excited to dig in. On page 66, or page 5 of the preview, they reveal that the game will have ironsights as opposed to the zoom mechanic of Fallout 3. Great, I thought, I hate z.....wait, WHAT? Okay, so Fallout New Vegas will feature the real-time gameplay of Fallout 3 and it will take place in the first person perspective. In other words you can play the game like a first person shooter.

The best and most loved turn-based RPGs of gaming history have been turned into first-person shooters. Discuss.

Brownesque

I thought Fallout 3 was a decent addition to the series, and I loved fallout 1 & 2.