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#51 FireSpirit117
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My advice, Cliffy: make some new horror franchise. There's no point in patching up this sinking ship.
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[QUOTE="Heirren"] Because that is what Resident Evil is based on. ...naughty dog has no idea how to? They're some of the most talented people in the industry.Heirren

Naughty Dog has never made a horror game. Ever. They have never made a game that can stand solely on its mechanics, either. Some of the most talented people in the industry. Please. They're an incredibly inconsistent studio.

And so what if Resident Evil is based on film? Kojima has no idea how to make that kind of game. And his writing should be kept as far away from all video game narratives as possible.

Crash 1 through 3 are some of the best games, that stand the test of time, from eir respected generation. Crash Racing is a great kart racer. Jak and Daxter is loved by fans and critics alike. Uncharted is perhaps the defining series for the Playstation, and overall generation--behind cod maybe. These games are all remarkably different, as well. You saying Kojima has no idea how to make any kind of game is insulting, and gives the impression you aren't very intelligent. Try not to be so negative.

The Crash games have aged horribly, the Jak series doesn't get good until Jak 2, and then has serious design flaws, and the Uncharted series has a grand total of one good game in it, and that's Uncharted 2. Uncharted and Uncharted 3 are mediocre titles at best.

And Uncharted being the most influential tittle this generation? Please. Gears of War, Wii Sorts, and Mass Effect are all far more influential, and that's not even all of them.

I never said he has no idea how to make any kind of game. I said he has no idea how to make a horror game, because he's never done it before. Maybe you should learn to read before you question someone else's intelligence.

I did, however, call Kojima a bad writer, which is absolutely true by any objective standard of measurement. He's not even a good writer by video game standards.

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#53 Vaasman
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Even if you despise Cliffy B for some reason or another, it's hard to deny that a passionate director with a clear vision for the series would be a colossal improvement at this point.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Why? So we can have mountains of awful dialogue and two hour cutscenes?DarkLink77

No, because his team understands film and drama. I do agree with you about poor dialogue here and there, though, but Resident Evil isn't as complex a story as MGS. I bet Naughty Dog would be fabulous at RE as well--in fact, Last of Us is likely their version of Videogame horror.

Kojima writes awful dialogue that is occassionally clever and interesting, granted.

You're right in saying that the MGS has some absolutely painful dialogue, but isn't that more the fault of Konami's localization team? Can't really blame Kojima, the guy doesn't even speak English.

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#55 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] No, because his team understands film and drama. I do agree with you about poor dialogue here and there, though, but Resident Evil isn't as complex a story as MGS. I bet Naughty Dog would be fabulous at RE as well--in fact, Last of Us is likely their version of Videogame horror.megadeth1117

Kojima writes awful dialogue that is occassionally clever and interesting, granted.

You're right in saying that the MGS has some absolutely painful dialogue, but isn't that more the fault of Konami's localization team? Can't really blame Kojima, the guy doesn't even speak English.

I refuse to believe that the localization team for one of the most critically acclaimed Japanese franchises in gaming is that incompetent. It's more likely that Kojima's writing just isn't that good to begin with, because it suffers from the same issues every game, and I'll wager the localization team has changed between games.
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[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Naughty Dog has never made a horror game. Ever. They have never made a game that can stand solely on its mechanics, either. Some of the most talented people in the industry. Please. They're an incredibly inconsistent studio.

And so what if Resident Evil is based on film? Kojima has no idea how to make that kind of game. And his writing should be kept as far away from all video game narratives as possible.

DarkLink77

Crash 1 through 3 are some of the best games, that stand the test of time, from eir respected generation. Crash Racing is a great kart racer. Jak and Daxter is loved by fans and critics alike. Uncharted is perhaps the defining series for the Playstation, and overall generation--behind cod maybe. These games are all remarkably different, as well. You saying Kojima has no idea how to make any kind of game is insulting, and gives the impression you aren't very intelligent. Try not to be so negative.

The Crash games have aged horribly, the Jak series doesn't get good until Jak 2, and then has serious design flaws, and the Uncharted series has a grand total of one good game in it, and that's Uncharted 2. Uncharted and Uncharted 3 are mediocre titles at best.

And Uncharted being the most influential tittle this generation? Please. Gears of War, Wii Sorts, and Mass Effect are all far more influential, and that's not even all of them.

I never said he has no idea how to make any kind of game. I said he has no idea how to make a horror game, because he's never done it before. Maybe you should learn to read before you question someone else's intelligence.

I did, however, call Kojima a bad writer, which is absolutely true by any objective standard of measurement. He's not even a good writer by video game standards.

1) I disagree. Crash games are still great to play

2) The 1st Jak and Dexter is the best one

3) Uncharted 1 and 3 are still great and personally my fav is 3

4) Many games of today are adopting the cinematic approach from Uncharted, I'm gonna say its influential. The most influential game this gen? certainly not. One of the most influential? Certainly so. You had to be really thick head to think otherwise

5) Everything what you said about Kojima is your opinion, not fact as much as you try to act about it. You sound just like another pretentious f*ck that criticizes others work but havent accomplished nothing throughout his life

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] Crash 1 through 3 are some of the best games, that stand the test of time, from eir respected generation. Crash Racing is a great kart racer. Jak and Daxter is loved by fans and critics alike. Uncharted is perhaps the defining series for the Playstation, and overall generation--behind cod maybe. These games are all remarkably different, as well. You saying Kojima has no idea how to make any kind of game is insulting, and gives the impression you aren't very intelligent. Try not to be so negative.Vatusus

The Crash games have aged horribly, the Jak series doesn't get good until Jak 2, and then has serious design flaws, and the Uncharted series has a grand total of one good game in it, and that's Uncharted 2. Uncharted and Uncharted 3 are mediocre titles at best.

And Uncharted being the most influential tittle this generation? Please. Gears of War, Wii Sorts, and Mass Effect are all far more influential, and that's not even all of them.

I never said he has no idea how to make any kind of game. I said he has no idea how to make a horror game, because he's never done it before. Maybe you should learn to read before you question someone else's intelligence.

I did, however, call Kojima a bad writer, which is absolutely true by any objective standard of measurement. He's not even a good writer by video game standards.

1) I disagree. Crash games are still great to play

2) The 1st Jak and Dexter is the best one

3) Uncharted 1 and 3 are still great and personally my fav is 3

4) Many games of today are adopting the cinematic approach from Uncharted, I'm gonna say its influential. The most influential game this gen? certainly not. One of the most influential? Certainly so. You had to be really thick head to think otherwise

5) Everything what you said about Kojima is your opinion, not fact as much as you try to act about it. You sound just like another pretentious f*ck that criticizes others work but havent accomplished nothing throughout his life

1. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 2. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 3. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 4. Cinematic gaming started long before Uncharted. 5. Firstly, how would you know what I have and have not accomplished? Secondly, it's not my opinion. If you knew anything about objectively critiquing writing (which I'm guessing you don't), you wouldn't be so quick to hide behind the "Well, that's just your opinion" card. Because I will bet money I've had more professional experience as a writer and editor than you do, Mr. "Haven't accomplished nothing throughout his life." :lol:
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]Kojima should do a resident evil.DarkLink77
Why? So we can have mountains of awful dialogue and two hour cutscenes?

Well, the games already kinda did have awful dialogue.
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Go for it.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] And understanding film and drama will make Resident Evil a better video game because...?

The Last of Us is not horror. It is not frightening. I wouldn't trust Naughty Dog to make a horror game because they have no idea how to.

DarkLink77

Because that is what Resident Evil is based on. ...naughty dog has no idea how to? They're some of the most talented people in the industry.

Naughty Dog has never made a horror game. Ever. They have never made a game that can stand solely on its mechanics, either. Some of the most talented people in the industry. Please. They're an incredibly inconsistent studio.

And so what if Resident Evil is based on film? Kojima has no idea how to make that kind of game. And his writing should be kept as far away from all video game narratives as possible.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heirren"]Kojima should do a resident evil.PannicAtack
Why? So we can have mountains of awful dialogue and two hour cutscenes?

Well, the games already kinda did have awful dialogue.

Not any worse than the putrid writing of MGS2. While playing that game, I rolled my eyes so constantly they nearly fell out of my skull.

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[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The Crash games have aged horribly, the Jak series doesn't get good until Jak 2, and then has serious design flaws, and the Uncharted series has a grand total of one good game in it, and that's Uncharted 2. Uncharted and Uncharted 3 are mediocre titles at best.

And Uncharted being the most influential tittle this generation? Please. Gears of War, Wii Sorts, and Mass Effect are all far more influential, and that's not even all of them.

I never said he has no idea how to make any kind of game. I said he has no idea how to make a horror game, because he's never done it before. Maybe you should learn to read before you question someone else's intelligence.

I did, however, call Kojima a bad writer, which is absolutely true by any objective standard of measurement. He's not even a good writer by video game standards.

DarkLink77

1) I disagree. Crash games are still great to play

2) The 1st Jak and Dexter is the best one

3) Uncharted 1 and 3 are still great and personally my fav is 3

4) Many games of today are adopting the cinematic approach from Uncharted, I'm gonna say its influential. The most influential game this gen? certainly not. One of the most influential? Certainly so. You had to be really thick head to think otherwise

5) Everything what you said about Kojima is your opinion, not fact as much as you try to act about it. You sound just like another pretentious f*ck that criticizes others work but havent accomplished nothing throughout his life

1. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 2. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 3. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 4. Cinematic gaming started long before Uncharted. 5. Firstly, how would you know what I have and have not accomplished? Secondly, it's not my opinion. If you knew anything about objectively critiquing writing (which I'm guessing you don't), you wouldn't be so quick to hide behind the "Well, that's just your opinion" card. Because I will bet money I've had more professional experience as a writer and editor than you do, Mr. "Haven't accomplished nothing throughout his life." :lol:

Ironic you say

"how would you know what I have and have not accomplished?"

and then

"I will bet money I've had more professional experience as a writer and editor than you do"

For a "writer" you dont seem to have concise ideas. You're robably one of those pseudo-intellectuals in art class that started writing three pages of a book they'll probably never finish and call themselves a "writer".

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Vatusus"] Because that is what Resident Evil is based on. ...naughty dog has no idea how to? They're some of the most talented people in the industry.Vatusus

Naughty Dog has never made a horror game. Ever. They have never made a game that can stand solely on its mechanics, either. Some of the most talented people in the industry. Please. They're an incredibly inconsistent studio.

And so what if Resident Evil is based on film? Kojima has no idea how to make that kind of game. And his writing should be kept as far away from all video game narratives as possible.

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Oh, look, a mad Cow. With nothing to say. How rare on this forum.

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#65 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Vatusus"]

1) I disagree. Crash games are still great to play

2) The 1st Jak and Dexter is the best one

3) Uncharted 1 and 3 are still great and personally my fav is 3

4) Many games of today are adopting the cinematic approach from Uncharted, I'm gonna say its influential. The most influential game this gen? certainly not. One of the most influential? Certainly so. You had to be really thick head to think otherwise

5) Everything what you said about Kojima is your opinion, not fact as much as you try to act about it. You sound just like another pretentious f*ck that criticizes others work but havent accomplished nothing throughout his life

Vatusus

1. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 2. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 3. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 4. Cinematic gaming started long before Uncharted. 5. Firstly, how would you know what I have and have not accomplished? Secondly, it's not my opinion. If you knew anything about objectively critiquing writing (which I'm guessing you don't), you wouldn't be so quick to hide behind the "Well, that's just your opinion" card. Because I will bet money I've had more professional experience as a writer and editor than you do, Mr. "Haven't accomplished nothing throughout his life." :lol:

Ironic you say

"how would you know what I have and have not accomplished?"

and then

"I will bet money I've had more professional experience as a writer and editor than you do"

For a "writer" you dont seem to have concise ideas. You're robably one of those pseudo-intellectuals in art class that started writing three pages of a book they'll probably never finish and call themselves a "writer".

Considering this discussion has been in terms of generalities, and you haven't presented anything other then your opinion, I find it hilarious that you would accuse me of not having any concise ideas.

And there you go again, pretending you know something about my life because you can't make an argument about the discussion at hand. So you attack me. Classic.

:lol:

As for the "irony" in my assuming that I have more writing/editing experience than you do, I'm simply assuming you don't have any, because most people don't. You certainly don't write like a writer or an editor. It's not an invalid assumption.

You'll notice, however, I've made no disparaging comments on your personal life. Most people have never worked for a literary journal. Most people have never had their work published. I have.

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[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] 1. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 2. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 3. Opinion. No actual arguments presented. 4. Cinematic gaming started long before Uncharted. 5. Firstly, how would you know what I have and have not accomplished? Secondly, it's not my opinion. If you knew anything about objectively critiquing writing (which I'm guessing you don't), you wouldn't be so quick to hide behind the "Well, that's just your opinion" card. Because I will bet money I've had more professional experience as a writer and editor than you do, Mr. "Haven't accomplished nothing throughout his life." :lol:DarkLink77

Ironic you say

"how would you know what I have and have not accomplished?"

and then

"I will bet money I've had more professional experience as a writer and editor than you do"

For a "writer" you dont seem to have concise ideas. You're robably one of those pseudo-intellectuals in art class that started writing three pages of a book they'll probably never finish and call themselves a "writer".

Considering this discussion has been in terms of generalities, and you haven't presented anything other then your opinion, I find it hilarious that you would accuse me of not having any concise ideas.

And there you go again, pretending you know something about my life because you can't make an argument about the discussion at hand. So you attack me. Classic.

:lol:

As for the "irony" in my assuming that I have more writing/editing experience than you do, I'm simply assuming you don't have any, because most people don't. You certainly don't write like a writer or an editor. It's not an invalid assumption.

You'll notice, however, I've made no disparaging comments on your personal life. Most people have never worked for a literary journal. Most people have never had their work published. I have.

Yes, what I said is my opinion. So what? What you said is also your opinion only. Nothing more, nothing less. Why are you trying to pass out more then this simple concept? In your words "in terms of generalities" our opinions are pretty much worthless.

"I'm assuming you dont have any, because most people dont". Most isnt me. You're just approaching the realm of speculation there and speculation is always invalid. I may have more experience in writting then you think...

Welcome to the internet, were we all can have fake lives.

[spoiler] btw, I'm also not a fan of Kojimas writting. I find it mostly tedious and/or melodramatic. However I dont call others wrong for liking it. To each their own. I find Jose Coelho a bad writter and yet its both critically and comercially praised wround the world. Kojima is praised. Lets just not call his writting "objectively" bad because we dont like it [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

Ironic you say

"how would you know what I have and have not accomplished?"

and then

"I will bet money I've had more professional experience as a writer and editor than you do"

For a "writer" you dont seem to have concise ideas. You're robably one of those pseudo-intellectuals in art class that started writing three pages of a book they'll probably never finish and call themselves a "writer".

Vatusus

Considering this discussion has been in terms of generalities, and you haven't presented anything other then your opinion, I find it hilarious that you would accuse me of not having any concise ideas.

And there you go again, pretending you know something about my life because you can't make an argument about the discussion at hand. So you attack me. Classic.

:lol:

As for the "irony" in my assuming that I have more writing/editing experience than you do, I'm simply assuming you don't have any, because most people don't. You certainly don't write like a writer or an editor. It's not an invalid assumption.

You'll notice, however, I've made no disparaging comments on your personal life. Most people have never worked for a literary journal. Most people have never had their work published. I have.

Yes, what I said is my opinion. So what? What you said is also your opinion only. Nothing more, nothing less. Why are you trying to pass out more then this simple concept? In your words "in terms of generalities" our opinions are pretty much worthless.

"I'm assuming you dont have any, because most people dont". Most isnt me. You're just approaching the realm of speculation there and speculation is always invalid. I may have more experience in writting then you think...

Welcome to the internet, were we all can have fake lives.

[spoiler] btw, I'm also not a fan of Kojimas writting. I find it mostly tedious and/or melodramatic. However I dont call others wrong for liking it. To each their own. I find Jose Coelho a bad writter and yet its both critically and comercially praised wround the world. Kojima is praised. Lets just not call his writting "objectively" bad because we dont like it [/spoiler]

Meh. They're plenty valid, but that's another topic entirely.

You may or may not. I don't really care. Most people don't, so their opinions on writing and storytelling are borderline worthless.

If I were going to make up a fake life for internet cred, I'd make up one where I had more money. :lol:

[spoiler] Whether you like it or not does not change whether it is objectively good or bad. His writing is not, at a craft level, good. [/spoiler]

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Resident Evil 6 is not a bad game. It doesn't need fixing, it could use a few tweaks but the game is far from broken. It's really fun with co-op.

I don't know if Cliffy B can do anything, as fun as Gears is it's really just a dumb action game. Even RE6 has a better storyline and characters than Gears. Has he ever made another good game before? I think he worked on Unreal, but aside from that what? Not saying he isn't talented, but perhaps he should let people do their job.

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Resident Evil 6 is not a bad game. It doesn't need fixing, it could use a few tweaks but the game is far from broken. It's really fun with co-op.

I don't know if Cliffy B can do anything, as fun as Gears is it's really just a dumb action game. Even RE6 has a better storyline and characters than Gears. Has he ever made another good game before? I think he worked on Unreal, but aside from that what? Not saying he isn't talented, but perhaps he should let people do their job.

ShadowMoses900

Cliffy B is a designer not a writer. And is obvious that Capcom tried to copy from the franchise he created, a lot, and turned RE into the bad shooter that it is today. At least with Cliffy on board we could be sure that the shooting and action will be good and who is to say that he will not be able to create a compelling survival horror game with action? You just give less bullets to player and voala, you already got the survival part. XD

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Western developers are only good at FPS.
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His retirement lasted long.
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#72 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Resident Evil 6 is not a bad game. It doesn't need fixing, it could use a few tweaks but the game is far from broken. It's really fun with co-op.

I don't know if Cliffy B can do anything, as fun as Gears is it's really just a dumb action game. Even RE6 has a better storyline and characters than Gears. Has he ever made another good game before? I think he worked on Unreal, but aside from that what? Not saying he isn't talented, but perhaps he should let people do their job.

Gue1

Cliffy B is a designer not a writer. And is obvious that Capcom tried to copy from the franchise he created, a lot, and turned RE into the bad shooter that it is today. At least with Cliffy on board we could be sure that the shooting and action will be good and who is to say that he will not be able to create a compelling survival horror game with action? You just give less bullets to player and voala, you already got the survival part. XD

Ammo is already rare in RE6, I run out of it constantly. I don't know what other people are talking about, they're either playing on very easy or with infinite ammo or something. Really I suspect that most RE6 haters don't even own the game and are just jumping on the band wagon to fit in.

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He would make it even more gun and run, with awful plots and burly lead characters, even the woman.
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Break = Retirement ? Never said he was in Retirement just having a break from gaming and Epic. Anyway hell Resident Evil is already going that that road, why not give it to someone that can make it into a better shoot em up.

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I cant think of many franchises that have come out that have been as consistant as gears of war has been. I am not going to say Cliff is one of the all time greats, however is in outer circle of the "special few"... if you are into that sort of thinking. He worked his vision with EPIC to bring arguably one of the best and top series this gen. It has consistantly got great reviews through both its single player and multiplayer. If it wasnt for Gears/EPIC, the 360 would have been a worse of console with less RAM by half. Imagine where the 360 would have ended then.

Cliff did try and get the limelight and good for him. He has enjoyed himself and it gives a refreshing change of appearance to most game developers. He stands out which is great.

I cant think of one single other person... well OK the team who valve bought in to create portal, who has created such an inconic weapon as the Chainsaw bayonet this gen. For sure Uncharted looks like a great game but its never been praised for its multiplayer, and its single player aside from 2 wasnt never praised beyond great. Gears may not be a series that has the best of one single thing, however I think honestly its the best series for overall quality.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Naughty Dog has never made a horror game. Ever. They have never made a game that can stand solely on its mechanics, either. Some of the most talented people in the industry. Please. They're an incredibly inconsistent studio.

And so what if Resident Evil is based on film? Kojima has no idea how to make that kind of game. And his writing should be kept as far away from all video game narratives as possible.

DarkLink77

Crash 1 through 3 are some of the best games, that stand the test of time, from eir respected generation. Crash Racing is a great kart racer. Jak and Daxter is loved by fans and critics alike. Uncharted is perhaps the defining series for the Playstation, and overall generation--behind cod maybe. These games are all remarkably different, as well. You saying Kojima has no idea how to make any kind of game is insulting, and gives the impression you aren't very intelligent. Try not to be so negative.

The Crash games have aged horribly

:lol: you're wrong right off the bat. i'm playing crash 3 atm and it's aged wonderfully unlike most games that came out during the 32 bit era...

ND are great devs dude, you're in the vast minority with your opinion.

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#78 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] Crash 1 through 3 are some of the best games, that stand the test of time, from eir respected generation. Crash Racing is a great kart racer. Jak and Daxter is loved by fans and critics alike. Uncharted is perhaps the defining series for the Playstation, and overall generation--behind cod maybe. These games are all remarkably different, as well. You saying Kojima has no idea how to make any kind of game is insulting, and gives the impression you aren't very intelligent. Try not to be so negative.lazerface216

The Crash games have aged horribly

:lol: you're wrong right off the bat. i'm playing crash 3 atm and it's aged wonderfully unlike most games that came out during the 32 bit era...

ND are great devs dude, you're in the vast minority with your opinion.

Crash 1 has not aged well, and 2 hasn't really either. 3 is the exception. By and large, the series has not.
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#79 lazerface216
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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The Crash games have aged horribly

DarkLink77

:lol: you're wrong right off the bat. i'm playing crash 3 atm and it's aged wonderfully unlike most games that came out during the 32 bit era...

ND are great devs dude, you're in the vast minority with your opinion.

Crash 1 has not aged well, and 2 hasn't really either. 3 is the exception. By and large, the series has not.

i disagree, they've all aged pretty well compared to most games that gen, the original crash as well. when was the last time you played them?

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I don't think he would make them any better.
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#81 PsychoLemons
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Good luck on that.

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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The Crash games have aged horribly

DarkLink77

:lol: you're wrong right off the bat. i'm playing crash 3 atm and it's aged wonderfully unlike most games that came out during the 32 bit era...

ND are great devs dude, you're in the vast minority with your opinion.

Crash 1 has not aged well, and 2 hasn't really either. 3 is the exception. By and large, the series has not.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, please stop.

First you say the Crash games have aged horribly then you change that to only the first 2 make up your mind, the first 3 Crash games were all incredible and still are, the first one may not be as good graphically as 2 and 3 but the gameplay mechanics and level design are still pretty dam amazing even till this day.

Crash Team Racing is still one of the best karting games, the Jak and Daxter games were great and a huge success same thing goes for Uncharted.

Naughty Dog is an inconsistent studio? what the f*ck are you actually talking about?

Kojima should stay away from video game narratives? Metal Gear Solid 1 has one of THE best storys I've ever seen in a game, whether you like MGS4 or not the overall series has an amazing narrative(just ask the millions of fans)

Stop spreading your ignorance and dismissing other peoples opinions because they don't agree with yours, douche

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

:lol: you're wrong right off the bat. i'm playing crash 3 atm and it's aged wonderfully unlike most games that came out during the 32 bit era...

ND are great devs dude, you're in the vast minority with your opinion.

Z-Fatalis

Crash 1 has not aged well, and 2 hasn't really either. 3 is the exception. By and large, the series has not.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, please stop.

First you say the Crash games have aged horribly then you change that to only the first 2 make up your mind, the first 3 Crash games were all incredible and still are, the first one may not be as good graphically as 2 and 3 but the gameplay mechanics and level design are still pretty dam amazing even till this day.

i agree 100%, he seems to be talking out of his ass. i doubt he's touched the first 3 crash games in ages, if ever. i mean, they're 2.5d for christ's sake, how "aged" could they possibly be? you're right though, the 3rd one playes extremely similar to the first one, the amazing mechanics are still there.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] And understanding film and drama will make Resident Evil a better video game because...?

The Last of Us is not horror. It is not frightening. I wouldn't trust Naughty Dog to make a horror game because they have no idea how to.

DarkLink77

Because that is what Resident Evil is based on. ...naughty dog has no idea how to? They're some of the most talented people in the industry.

Naughty Dog has never made a horror game. Ever. They have never made a game that can stand solely on its mechanics, either. Some of the most talented people in the industry. Please. They're an incredibly inconsistent studio.

And so what if Resident Evil is based on film? Kojima has no idea how to make that kind of game. And his writing should be kept as far away from all video game narratives as possible.

Da fuq I just read? You say Naughty Dog has no idea how to make a horror game. When the fuq have they ever tried to make one? And as for being an inconsistent dev? All I see here is Naughty Dog and Kojima bashing here, funny since both devs have made one of the highest scoring games this gen and the other receiving more awards and praise than any of the games you've listed. Move on troll.

SW is full of idiots.
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Man there are alot of idiots on these forums. Have any of you even listened to anything Cliff B. has commented on, in the industry?

Do you realize that Cliff is an amazing designer, with great ideas of how to challenge the industry to continually innovate, and push / try new concepts.

Show me ONE game that came before Gears of War that is the same as Gears of War..... sure, a ton of EPIC GAMES ideas have been borrowed, re-iterated on (usually not done as well), and out right stolen, since their hit franchise made its way onto the scene.

Do yourself a favor and watch the recent dev panels on GameTrailers, with CLiff B., Tim Schaffer, & some other guy (BL2 dev).... Cliff is the only one there with unique ideas and a visions of where he'd like to see our industry go.

But, hey.... he wears tight t-shirts, and has a number of embarassing photos online.... so lets just focus on that, because we're secretly jealous of his life and success.

PS. I have no doubt Cliff B. could make a far better RE game than Capcom at this point.

moistsandwich
You serious? its called different opinions and tastes, Cliffy b is good for some while not for others, design wise. Not everyone will apprecicate what he does. He also doesn't design a whole game himself, idea-wise. it's a whole f'en team of talented individuals. He just gets a lot more credit due to him being the guy marketing the games and being the go to guy, etc. Gears of war was HEAVILY influenced by Resident Evil 4 and killswitch...gears COVER SYSTEM wise is one of the best, but it isn't unique not considered the best ever for the majority. You act as if Gears of War is the best game every made....thats an opinion and isn't shared by everyone, so using that logic isn't really benifiting you in the arguement. the hate for him comes with the fact that this guy brags and brags and while doing so loves to critisize other developers work, saying what he would like to do or could've done better, without appreciating different ideas or personal tastes. Beyond gears....what else is there? sit down.
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They're probably thinking, fix what? The sales have been huge haven't they? It'd be interesting but this won't happen.
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#87 HaloPimp978
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RE Revelations is the way the main RE titles should be. Not this COD style of game they been making with RE 5 & 6. That's why RE4 was the last best game in the main RE titles.

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#88 madsnakehhh
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At this point? yeah sure why not, it can't possible get any worst, in fact it might have decent gameplay for a change.

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#89 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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You do realise developers can make more than one type of game...

Just because it's Cliffy, doesn't mean it will become Gears of Evil. He seems more passionate about making a good RE game than the RE themselves

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#90 musalala
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That would be like giving Mass Effect to Michael Bay :P

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:P funny because thats exactly what EA/bioware did with mass effect 3

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#91 campzor
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gears of war 1 had great horror elements... so it doesnt exactly sound farfetched (far fetched?)
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#92 littlestreakier
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I personally enjoyed RE6, glad I bought it. I don't think it's anywhere near the best RE game I've ever played but was still enjoyable. Didn't Cliffy say he wanted to do a horror game? If that's the case why not just give him a chance? Who knows he might be able to "fix" RE.

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Sure, why not? it's not like it could be any worse than RE6..

It's rather ironic and says quite alot when even the creator of Gears of War (which Capcom seems hellbent on turning RE into a clone of)....wants to bring the series back to it's horror roots.

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[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

Man there are alot of idiots on these forums. Have any of you even listened to anything Cliff B. has commented on, in the industry?

Do you realize that Cliff is an amazing designer, with great ideas of how to challenge the industry to continually innovate, and push / try new concepts.

Show me ONE game that came before Gears of War that is the same as Gears of War..... sure, a ton of EPIC GAMES ideas have been borrowed, re-iterated on (usually not done as well), and out right stolen, since their hit franchise made its way onto the scene.

Do yourself a favor and watch the recent dev panels on GameTrailers, with CLiff B., Tim Schaffer, & some other guy (BL2 dev).... Cliff is the only one there with unique ideas and a visions of where he'd like to see our industry go.

But, hey.... he wears tight t-shirts, and has a number of embarassing photos online.... so lets just focus on that, because we're secretly jealous of his life and success.

PS. I have no doubt Cliff B. could make a far better RE game than Capcom at this point.

soapandbubbles
You serious? its called different opinions and tastes, Cliffy b is good for some while not for others, design wise. Not everyone will apprecicate what he does. He also doesn't design a whole game himself, idea-wise. it's a whole f'en team of talented individuals. He just gets a lot more credit due to him being the guy marketing the games and being the go to guy, etc. Gears of war was HEAVILY influenced by Resident Evil 4 and killswitch...gears COVER SYSTEM wise is one of the best, but it isn't unique not considered the best ever for the majority. You act as if Gears of War is the best game every made....thats an opinion and isn't shared by everyone, so using that logic isn't really benifiting you in the arguement. the hate for him comes with the fact that this guy brags and brags and while doing so loves to critisize other developers work, saying what he would like to do or could've done better, without appreciating different ideas or personal tastes. Beyond gears....what else is there? sit down.

I love the delicous irony thats going around. So we can accept that cliff's "design choices" are not for everyone, yet the proposal of a guy who is passionate about resident evil and surviol horror games, who was one of the key visonaries for arguably the best new IP to come out this gen shouldnt even be in the hat for creating a new resident evil because everybody thinks he will create exactly the same game. I am sure you must know cliff has done more than just gears of war, plus even taking that into consideration you obviously have no love for a lot of developers who created MineCraft, Angry Birds and companies such as Valve etc because the list really goes on for "great names" who have taken ideas that already existed and improved or brought new talent in without anyone really knowing who it is. What gears created this gen is a game that is has been highly praised both single player and multiplayer consistantly throughout all 3 games. It brought 3rd person action games into the mix of a heavily FPS dominated gen, it popularised the cover system, brought in chainsaw bayonets (please explain how that is not one of the iconic weapons this gen and of all time). For a guy of his talent, enthusiasm and pure financial backing that he would bring, I think he would do a great job for resident evil. If you only associate people on their ability to create one type of game (look him up there are a few different ones ;) ) then we should all get rid of all talented game developers once a great game has been released because thats all they can do and thus can not do it any better. Cliff is someone who likes to air their opinions. I guess you have never sat infront and played a game and thought "you know what would have been cool" or "man I really would have liked to have seen this...". With that logic you must hate reviewers unless they finish every sentence with "; while i have said that, I take it in that everyone has their own opinion and even though (the fact with gears online multiplayer you had horrible net coding and it was heavily host advantaged) some people like that and that is A O K with me." Also finishing with a Sit Down is even more asshat than what you are proclaiming cliff to be like ;).
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I want to fix Cliffy B's attitude. This guy thinks he is so damn good just because of Gears. He needs to know his place.

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#96 razgriz_101
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I want to fix Cliffy B's attitude. This guy thinks he is so damn good just because of Gears. He needs to know his place.

NaturalDisplay

yeah despite being project leads on UT and a core part of Jazz Jackrabit, its fair to say he's a good developer.I cant honestly think of an atrocious game he's been tied to over the years.

Sure he's a bit loudmouthed and all that but he is pretty passionate bout games which at the end of the day is what really matters.

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Man there are alot of idiots on these forums. Have any of you even listened to anything Cliff B. has commented on, in the industry?

Do you realize that Cliff is an amazing designer, with great ideas of how to challenge the industry to continually innovate, and push / try new concepts.

Show me ONE game that came before Gears of War that is the same as Gears of War..... sure, a ton of EPIC GAMES ideas have been borrowed, re-iterated on (usually not done as well), and out right stolen, since their hit franchise made its way onto the scene.

Do yourself a favor and watch the recent dev panels on GameTrailers, with CLiff B., Tim Schaffer, & some other guy (BL2 dev).... Cliff is the only one there with unique ideas and a visions of where he'd like to see our industry go.

But, hey.... he wears tight t-shirts, and has a number of embarassing photos online.... so lets just focus on that, because we're secretly jealous of his life and success.

PS. I have no doubt Cliff B. could make a far better RE game than Capcom at this point.

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I agree. There are five pages of idiocy in this thread. Yes, gentlemen, Cliff made Gears of War this generation. It's not the only thing he's ever done. Let's not be short-sighted, shall we?
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Resi 4 is what heavily inspired Gears 1 (which was the darkest and more horror based of the the trilogy), it would be bloody amazing to see CliffyB make a Resi game!
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heirren"]Kojima should do a resident evil.Heirren
Why? So we can have mountains of awful dialogue and two hour cutscenes?

No, because his team understands film and drama.

No, no he doesn't.
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#100 locopatho
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Why? So we can have mountains of awful dialogue and two hour cutscenes?

No, because his team understands film and drama.

No, no he doesn't.

I don't know how anyone could play Resi and think it needs MORE stilted dialogue and convoluted plots :P