CoD is ruining gaming.

the games themselves arent whats ruining gaming, i think the games are great. I think that too many Devs are jumping on the CoD boat and trying to make a MP game with perks and stuff istead of trying to do something on there own that could be sucsessful. and now devs are starting ignore single player and storyline. its rare to find a game with more than 10 hours of campaign nowadays.

Gamers are now also just playing call of duty and never play other stuff. my friend came over today, and i was playing halo reach. i asked him if he wanted to play and he said "i don't play games with stupid aliens, do you have call of duty?" i said yeah, and then asked him if he evel played halo before, and he said no. i tried to get him to play it but he was stubborn saying it was unrealistic. so we ended up just playing COD.

again, i don't hate call of duty and play it a lot. i just think it has way too much influence on devs and gamers.

opinions?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but could you give some examples of multiplayer games that have treaded CoD's path?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but could you give some examples of multiplayer games that have treaded CoD's path?

iAtrocious

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I'm not saying you're wrong, but could you give some examples of multiplayer games that have treaded CoD's path?

taterfrickintot

Hm. Well, I can see why someone would want to follow suit with one of the most successful gaming franchises, but that is worrisome. But I don't see it as a plague that'll expand perpetually: developers know that no matter what CoD-like game they launch, it won't compete in player-base with the original, and if too many games of the same type start to release, people will opt for one -- preferentially the one they already know.

I've still played some games with interesting multi-player, such as Bioshock 2, Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, Monday Night Combat, BF: BC 2, the upcoming Breach and even Gears of War. I don't think CoD is ruining gaming or that it will cause a diffusion of its game style, so I'm not particularly concerned.

Wouldn't say it's ruining gaming, but COD leveling systems are starting to get annoying. Devs should think of better ways to increase longevity for their multiplayer(ex TF2's trading system)

Bioshock 2

Dead Rising 2

Dead Space 2

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood

All of these games didn't need multiplayer because the people that bought them most likely bought them because they liked the previous entry(s) which were sp only. MP wasn't needed and I think these games could have been better if they didn't include it and had a stronger sp. (Except DS2 because that hasn't come out yet, but I don't think that mp was needed and I don't think anybody was asking for it)

Bioshock 2

Dead Rising 2

Dead Space 2

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood

All of these games didn't need multiplayer because the people that bought them most likely bought them because they liked the previous entry(s) which were sp only. MP wasn't needed and I think these games could have been better if they didn't include it and had a stronger sp. (Except DS2 because that hasn't come out yet, but I don't think that mp was needed and I don't think anybody was asking for it)

Hatiko

AC: Brotherhood's multi-player was pretty consistent, and it sure was a good break from all the shooters and racing games.

I would rather Bioshock 2 had no multi player ONLY if that meant the single player experience were to be enhanced. Otherwise, I found it to be pretty solid and enjoyable (MP).

Gamers are now also just playing call of duty and never play other stuff. my friend came over today, and i was playing halo reach. i asked him if he wanted to play and he said "i don't play games with stupid aliens, do you have call of duty?" i said yeah, and then asked him if he evel played halo before, and he said no. i tried to get him to play it but he was stubborn saying it was unrealistic. so we ended up just playing COD.

taterfrickintot

Lol can't wait until your friend sees the next COD coming out, which will probably be future warfare. Expect the lines between COD and Halo to be blurred.

I almost want to say blog it, but I actually think this is good discussion material.

I also disagree with you. I think Call of Duty has generated it's own market and developers are stupid for attempting to copy it. Look at the big FPSs out there: Halo Reach, Battlefield Bad Company 2, Crysis, Killzone... none of those try to be CoD at all. They all have very unique gameplay and their own approaches to everything.

Call of Duty is excellent at what it does. Provides a really fast paced, precise, tight, shooting experience that is pretty level amongst all players, doesn't require excessive teamwork, and is really customizable. People apparently have been waiting for this kind of game for years. Tons of people play BF BC2, there are still tons of full BF2 servers, tons of CSS servers, TF2 is going strong, Killzone 2 still has a few people playing, Halo Reach has millions... they all can coexist with no problem each game severing a slightly different brand of gamer.

It's all good. We all get what we want. All develpers learn from the mistakes of other shooters and hopefully apply remedies to their own formulas. In the end, we (the consumer) get much better games.

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Gamers are now also just playing call of duty and never play other stuff. my friend came over today, and i was playing halo reach. i asked him if he wanted to play and he said "i don't play games with stupid aliens, do you have call of duty?" i said yeah, and then asked him if he evel played halo before, and he said no. i tried to get him to play it but he was stubborn saying it was unrealistic. so we ended up just playing COD.

Vari3ty

Lol can't wait until your friend sees the next COD coming out, which will probably be future warfare. Expect the lines between COD and Halo to be blurred.

I don't think it's going to change that drastically -- it probably will be Call of Duty with a new skin to the environment and the weapons, assuming they do make a Future Warfare. It certainly won't have the shield system in Halo, and they'll try to maintain a relative ease in killing your opponent (when compared to how much effort you have to put into gunning someone down in Halo: Reach with the AR).

My cousin is a COD freak, he refused to play LBP2 with me because he said platformers are history, and only for kids

My cousin is a COD freak, he refused to play LBP2 with me because he said platformers are history, and only for kids

poorfamz

Give Super Meat Boy to a kid. Actually, give Super Meat Boy to your cousin. CoD Veteran will seem like a stroll in the park after that.

Wouldn't say it's ruining gaming, but COD leveling systems are starting to get annoying. Devs should think of better ways to increase longevity for their multiplayer(ex TF2's trading system)

Upparoom

..or here's a better idea. Making a good game?

People still play Quake, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament.

Even for consoles a game lasting longer than two years is impressive. I believe Socom 2 has been out for 8 years now and it's still got about 500 people playing. Socom 3/CA a little bit more around 750k I believe.

If CoD got rid of it's false longevity nobody would play the game. Why? Because then people would have to actually play the game for it's gameplay and not "+1000 - Challenge Complete - Run 5 miles!"

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Wouldn't say it's ruining gaming, but COD leveling systems are starting to get annoying. Devs should think of better ways to increase longevity for their multiplayer(ex TF2's trading system)

Skilltrocity

..or here's a better idea. Making a good game?

People still play Quake, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament.

Even for consoles a game lasting longer than two years is impressive. I believe Socom 2 has been out for 8 years now and it's still got about 500 people playing. Socom 3/CA a little bit more around 750k I believe.

If CoD got rid of it's false longevity nobody would play the game. Why? Because then people would have to actually play the game for it's gameplay and not "+1000 - Challenge Complete - Run 5 miles!"=

The leveling systems are fine. Get to level 55 (or whatever the cap is) and just stop leveling and play the game.

I actually enjoy a leveling system. Battlefield 2 did it and everybody seemed to think that was one of the best FPSs of all time. Ya think they may have caught onto something good there eh?

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[QUOTE="Upparoom"]

Wouldn't say it's ruining gaming, but COD leveling systems are starting to get annoying. Devs should think of better ways to increase longevity for their multiplayer(ex TF2's trading system)

Wasdie

..or here's a better idea. Making a good game?

People still play Quake, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament.

Even for consoles a game lasting longer than two years is impressive. I believe Socom 2 has been out for 8 years now and it's still got about 500 people playing. Socom 3/CA a little bit more around 750k I believe.

If CoD got rid of it's false longevity nobody would play the game. Why? Because then people would have to actually play the game for it's gameplay and not "+1000 - Challenge Complete - Run 5 miles!"=

The leveling systems are fine. Get to level 55 (or whatever the cap is) and just stop leveling and play the game.

I actually enjoy a leveling system. Battlefield 2 did it and everybody seemed to think that was one of the best FPSs of all time. Ya think they may have caught onto something good there eh?

Leveling is good, but it has to be the backdrop to a game. I've seen people playing CoD with reaching Prestige 10 and unlocking several challenges as their driving factor, and I actually feel bad for them -- they're missing out on gaming just to have more callsigns and a bigger number next to their name.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Skilltrocity"]

..or here's a better idea. Making a good game?

People still play Quake, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament.

Even for consoles a game lasting longer than two years is impressive. I believe Socom 2 has been out for 8 years now and it's still got about 500 people playing. Socom 3/CA a little bit more around 750k I believe.

If CoD got rid of it's false longevity nobody would play the game. Why? Because then people would have to actually play the game for it's gameplay and not "+1000 - Challenge Complete - Run 5 miles!"=

iAtrocious

The leveling systems are fine. Get to level 55 (or whatever the cap is) and just stop leveling and play the game.

I actually enjoy a leveling system. Battlefield 2 did it and everybody seemed to think that was one of the best FPSs of all time. Ya think they may have caught onto something good there eh?

Leveling is good, but it has to be the backdrop to a game. I've seen people playing CoD with reaching Prestige 10 and unlocking several challenges as their driving factor, and I actually feel bad for them -- they're missing out on gaming just to have more callsigns and a bigger number next to their name.

Though it keeps them playing and enjoying themselves. Why should it matter to you how others enjoy the game. As long as when they play it, they aren't cheating and ruining your gaming experiance. If you want to play it without caring about those things then don't. Not everybody has to be like you. The fact that the game can deliever almost two extremely different experiances just by a change of perspective is pretty impressive.

[QUOTE="iAtrocious"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The leveling systems are fine. Get to level 55 (or whatever the cap is) and just stop leveling and play the game.

I actually enjoy a leveling system. Battlefield 2 did it and everybody seemed to think that was one of the best FPSs of all time. Ya think they may have caught onto something good there eh?

Wasdie

Leveling is good, but it has to be the backdrop to a game. I've seen people playing CoD with reaching Prestige 10 and unlocking several challenges as their driving factor, and I actually feel bad for them -- they're missing out on gaming just to have more callsigns and a bigger number next to their name.

Though it keeps them playing and enjoying themselves. Why should it matter to you how others enjoy the game. As long as when they play it, they aren't cheating and ruining your gaming experiance. If you want to play it without caring about those things then don't. Not everybody has to be like you. The fact that the game can deliever almost two extremely different experiances just by a change of perspective is pretty impressive.

I said I feel sorry for them, not that I want it changed. And no, it's not impressive -- it's just a cheap leveling system, used and abused in other genres, to keep your audience stuck to your game.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The leveling systems are fine. Get to level 55 (or whatever the cap is) and just stop leveling and play the game.

I actually enjoy a leveling system. Battlefield 2 did it and everybody seemed to think that was one of the best FPSs of all time. Ya think they may have caught onto something good there eh?

Wasdie

Leveling is good, but it has to be the backdrop to a game. I've seen people playing CoD with reaching Prestige 10 and unlocking several challenges as their driving factor, and I actually feel bad for them -- they're missing out on gaming just to have more callsigns and a bigger number next to their name.

Though it keeps them playing and enjoying themselves. Why should it matter to you how others enjoy the game. As long as when they play it, they aren't cheating and ruining your gaming experiance. If you want to play it without caring about those things then don't. Not everybody has to be like you. The fact that the game can deliever almost two extremely different experiances just by a change of perspective is pretty impressive.

i 100% agree with that but like i said with my main post, a lot of people, like my friend" refuse to play games other than CoD for fanboyish reasons. because of that, other devs dont make as much money, making CoD amost a monopoly of gaming. altough it has not gotten to that kind of extreme. yet.

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[QUOTE="iAtrocious"]

Leveling is good, but it has to be the backdrop to a game. I've seen people playing CoD with reaching Prestige 10 and unlocking several challenges as their driving factor, and I actually feel bad for them -- they're missing out on gaming just to have more callsigns and a bigger number next to their name.

taterfrickintot

Though it keeps them playing and enjoying themselves. Why should it matter to you how others enjoy the game. As long as when they play it, they aren't cheating and ruining your gaming experiance. If you want to play it without caring about those things then don't. Not everybody has to be like you. The fact that the game can deliever almost two extremely different experiances just by a change of perspective is pretty impressive.

i 100% agree with that but like i said with my main post, a lot of people, like my friend" refuse to play games other than CoD for fanboyish reasons. because of that, other devs dont make as much money, making CoD amost a monopoly of gaming. altough it has not gotten to that kind of extreme. yet.

They are the only ones missing out. Remember, there are guys who refuse to play anything but the original Starcraft, original Everquest, Quake, UT 2k4, CSS, CS 1.6 (even CS 1.5). This is nothing new. We just see it more and more as the number of gamers grows exponentially.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="iAtrocious"]

Leveling is good, but it has to be the backdrop to a game. I've seen people playing CoD with reaching Prestige 10 and unlocking several challenges as their driving factor, and I actually feel bad for them -- they're missing out on gaming just to have more callsigns and a bigger number next to their name.

taterfrickintot

Though it keeps them playing and enjoying themselves. Why should it matter to you how others enjoy the game. As long as when they play it, they aren't cheating and ruining your gaming experiance. If you want to play it without caring about those things then don't. Not everybody has to be like you. The fact that the game can deliever almost two extremely different experiances just by a change of perspective is pretty impressive.

i 100% agree with that but like i said with my main post, a lot of people, like my friend" refuse to play games other than CoD for fanboyish reasons. because of that, other devs dont make as much money, making CoD amost a monopoly of gaming. altough it has not gotten to that kind of extreme. yet.

WoW has a much larger player base than CoD.

I'm tired of Call of Duty and threads it spawns on system wars or any forum.

I'm tired of Call of Duty and threads it spawns on system wars or any forum.

ToastRider11

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I'm tired of Call of Duty and threads it spawns on system wars or any forum.

taterfrickintot

I'm not saying you're wrong, but could you give some examples of multiplayer games that have treaded CoD's path?

At this point, people who dont like cod make more threads about it then people who do like it.

I agree that it is having a negative effect on the gaming industry. That said, Black Ops is a pretty fun and well-made game.

Tony Hawk - DEAD

Guitar Hero - ALMOST DEAD

Call of Duty - ?

Activision's business model right now has been to find something popular, and milk with anual and semi-anual sequels until it's dead. They've already killed two of their three cash cows, and only COD remains. If Activision wants to keep running on this business model, COD is going to have to carry the weight of the two franchises they've lost viability for. And by doing that, they'll end up killing it even faster.

Bioshock 2

Dead Rising 2

Dead Space 2

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood

All of these games didn't need multiplayer because the people that bought them most likely bought them because they liked the previous entry(s) which were sp only. MP wasn't needed and I think these games could have been better if they didn't include it and had a stronger sp. (Except DS2 because that hasn't come out yet, but I don't think that mp was needed and I don't think anybody was asking for it)

Hatiko

AC:B MP and SP are both equally good, so I don't mind for the game having both play modes.

Aside from that, I agree with you.

And that's the reason why everyone should get Borderlands, because it's a really solid game, with equally good SP and MP (basically because it's the same game, only with friends) :P

I have never had a problem with my MW2 or BO games (no hackers at all).

And I always end up reading how many of you did have problems with hackers.

Last week I was thinking about this and realize it was a problem of console's security. I didn't want to pay 50€ a year for online gaming, but if things keep going this way I may continue doing so next gen.

Soooo its not CoD thats ruining gaming, but other incompetent devs who can't come up with a shred of originality.

My cousin is a COD freak, he refused to play LBP2 with me because he said platformers are history, and only for kids

poorfamz

Tony Hawk - DEAD

Guitar Hero - ALMOST DEAD

Call of Duty - ?

Activision's business model right now has been to find something popular, and milk with anual and semi-anual sequels until it's dead. They've already killed two of their three cash cows, and only COD remains. If Activision wants to keep running on this business model, COD is going to have to carry the weight of the two franchises they've lost viability for. And by doing that, they'll end up killing it even faster.

Timstuff

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Though it keeps them playing and enjoying themselves. Why should it matter to you how others enjoy the game. As long as when they play it, they aren't cheating and ruining your gaming experiance. If you want to play it without caring about those things then don't. Not everybody has to be like you. The fact that the game can deliever almost two extremely different experiances just by a change of perspective is pretty impressive.

iAtrocious

i 100% agree with that but like i said with my main post, a lot of people, like my friend" refuse to play games other than CoD for fanboyish reasons. because of that, other devs dont make as much money, making CoD amost a monopoly of gaming. altough it has not gotten to that kind of extreme. yet.

WoW has a much larger player base than CoD.

Uh no it does not, it actually has a smaller fanbase compared to COD, which is MUCH more mainstream.

Catering to different audiences. It's just a matter of trial and error.

Nope, Call of Duty is the gaming messiah, all other games fall far, far, far beneath it.

the games themselves arent whats ruining gaming, i think the games are great. I think that too many Devs are jumping on the CoD boat and trying to make a MP game with perks and stuff istead of trying to do something on there own that could be sucsessful. and now devs are starting ignore single player and storyline. its rare to find a game with more than 10 hours of campaign nowadays.

Gamers are now also just playing call of duty and never play other stuff. my friend came over today, and i was playing halo reach. i asked him if he wanted to play and he said "i don't play games with stupid aliens, do you have call of duty?" i said yeah, and then asked him if he evel played halo before, and he said no. i tried to get him to play it but he was stubborn saying it was unrealistic. so we ended up just playing COD.

again, i don't hate call of duty and play it a lot. i just think it has way too much influence on devs and gamers.

opinions?

taterfrickintot

I don't agree.

In the grand scheme of things there really aren't that many FPS developers out there. There are hundreds of games available that aren't FPS games out there. I think people just blow this statistic way out of proportion just because FPS games are popular, and they get attention.

Now if you're talking about FPS devs jumping onto the CoD boat then I'll just say that's the way of the world. You take a pre-existing product, add in some ideas, and release that. Then someone takes your product, adds in their own ideas, and puts that out. Of course there's more overlap in some areas, but that happens in plenty of genres.

10 hour campaigns have been around for years as well, and I don't mind it one bit. 10 hours of entertainment has certainly been more valuable to me than those 50 hour grindan adventures Japan has given me. Can you really look back at your old collection of games, and pick out any more games from those with 10+ hour campaigns than your library of today? I can't. Again I think it goes back to all the attention being put on FPS games because there are seriously hundreds of games available that aren't FPS games, and also have long campaigns if that's all you care about.

You go on to say that people nowadays play Call of Duty, and nothing else, but that too has been the way it has ALWAYS been. There are people who only play WoW, CS, Starcraft, Madden/Fifa etc. I had friends many years ago who were big into Grand Theft Auto, and would make fun of people that didn't play GTA (myself included). It's nothing new.

I agree, Halo is way underrated.

I agree with the TC completely. When games like COD can get past their technical flaws(like the online, or rampant glitches) in reviewes we must have a small problem in the gaming industry.I wouldn't blame COD completely for destroying gaming, but the company that controls the game which doesn't know how to respect it's customers or developers.

These threads are ruining the Gamespot forums.

the games themselves arent whats ruining gaming, i think the games are great. I think that too many Devs are jumping on the CoD boat and trying to make a MP game with perks and stuff istead of trying to do something on there own that could be sucsessful.

taterfrickintot

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Though it keeps them playing and enjoying themselves. Why should it matter to you how others enjoy the game. As long as when they play it, they aren't cheating and ruining your gaming experiance. If you want to play it without caring about those things then don't. Not everybody has to be like you. The fact that the game can deliever almost two extremely different experiances just by a change of perspective is pretty impressive.

iAtrocious

i 100% agree with that but like i said with my main post, a lot of people, like my friend" refuse to play games other than CoD for fanboyish reasons. because of that, other devs dont make as much money, making CoD amost a monopoly of gaming. altough it has not gotten to that kind of extreme. yet.

WoW has a much larger player base than CoD.

yes this has image has been shown before but i think it still makes a valid point in this topic

the games themselves arent whats ruining gaming, i think the games are great. I think that too many Devs are jumping on the CoD boat and trying to make a MP game with perks and stuff istead of trying to do something on there own that could be sucsessful. and now devs are starting ignore single player and storyline. its rare to find a game with more than 10 hours of campaign nowadays.

Gamers are now also just playing call of duty and never play other stuff. my friend came over today, and i was playing halo reach. i asked him if he wanted to play and he said "i don't play games with stupid aliens, do you have call of duty?" i said yeah, and then asked him if he evel played halo before, and he said no. i tried to get him to play it but he was stubborn saying it was unrealistic. so we ended up just playing COD.

again, i don't hate call of duty and play it a lot. i just think it has way too much influence on devs and gamers.

opinions?

taterfrickintot

fps has been killimg gaming for a long time now . CoD is just the big fish in the sea these days .

CoD isnt ruining anything outside of its own reputation. Despite CoD's popularity I still see plenty of multiplayer games free from the somewhat balance breaking level up system and poorly balanced perks. Games have never been that long and 10 hours of entertainment is still a lot of value for your money at a price of 50-60$.

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My cousin is a COD freak, he refused to play LBP2 with me because he said platformers are history, and only for kids

Calvin079

I am pretty certain most shooters I have played a split second can mean life or death, in fact I would argue shooters are some of the most skill dephendant games out there. Also, regarding your second post, there is a reason Nintendo and Gamefreak are rebooting the pokemon franchise with Black and White.