CoD4 confirms BluRay not needed this gen!!

9's across the board...

socom ps3 won't look as good or play as well as cod4, but it'll be dev'd on bluray disc...why?

9's across the board...

socom ps3 won't look as good or play as well as cod4, but it'll be dev'd on bluray disc...why?

mouthpeace01

socom ps3 is a PSN game

as long as we all keep getting great games, who cares! I think we need to get over this b-ray crap already. lets start enjoying this generation already.

COD dev-

Disc space,my friend. As much you'd like to think that we can put infinite features in a game we do only have so much space on a disc. so we have to decide what adds more to the fun factor and what is minimal. Plus there's enough blood already.


I don't know. i guess i could check. At some point i know we ran out. We had to scale back on some stuff. What you guys have in your hands is all the best stuff that we felt made a good game. Made with love.....specially for you.

i thought you can get on disc as well. like warhawk

[QUOTE="mouthpeace01"]

9's across the board...

socom ps3 won't look as good or play as well as cod4, but it'll be dev'd on bluray disc...why?

humber_matus

socom ps3 is a PSN game

MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededkillzowned24

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

hmmm do you have a link for that, I'd be interested to read it.

i thought you can get on disc as well. like warhawk

[QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="mouthpeace01"]

9's across the board...

socom ps3 won't look as good or play as well as cod4, but it'll be dev'd on bluray disc...why?

ocdog45

socom ps3 is a PSN game

yes if ye want to, but its not a big game ... its multiplayer only too ... dont compare it to COD4

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

wow you are one of the biggest lemmings on this site. For exaple FSX crosses over to 10gbs compressed. but really how far is compression gonna go. 8.5 gbs is not enough for high res details and we are not even a year into this gen and we have games on the 360 that are on 4 dvds. on blue ray it would have barely crossed one layer

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

Still if you compress to much(also make 20 gbs like 9? quality loss maybe -if possible), the CPU will need resources to uncompress the files and store them temponary in its primary memory. Moreover having 2 discs in RPGs in not a so much problem, but when it comes to shooters it is. Everytime you want multi you will need another disc, this sucks. If BD is not needed, then why HD-DvD is? MS says is needed for entertainment and etc, so does Sony for its BDs.

Any game that actually requires and fills up a Blu-Ray disc will probably cost over $100 in retail - because the funding required to create a game that massive would be insane.

Blu-Ray discs won't be used to max capacity probably for another 5 years - and you can bet developers will try to keep everything nice and consolidated on cheaper DVD discs anyway.

Developers are MORE then willing to cut out stuff to fit it on a cheaper DVD disc.

And since their developing budgets are limited anyway, they're not gonna waste time and effort filling up a Blu-Ray disc just because they can.

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededAthonline

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

Still if you compress to much(also make 20 gbs like 9? quality loss maybe -if possible), the CPU will need resources to uncompress the files and store them temponary in its primary memory. Moreover having 2 discs in RPGs in not a so much problem, but when it comes to shooters it is. Everytime you want multi you will need another disc, this sucks. If BD is not needed, then why HD-DvD is? MS says is needed for entertainment and etc, so does Sony for its BDs.

When was HD-DVD ever needed? If HD-DVD is added to the 360, it would be at no cost to the consumer and would only be there to compete with the PS3's blu-ray player.

I think the point of this "new" technology would be that it could compress it even futher with little to no quality loss.

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededUserFrenly_Noob

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

wow you are one of the biggest lemmings on this site. For exaple FSX crosses over to 10gbs compressed. but really how far is compression gonna go. 8.5 gbs is not enough for high res details and we are not even a year into this gen and we have games on the 360 that are on 4 dvds. on blue ray it would have barely crossed one layer

you can compress 8.5GB and make it 2-3GBs......and no I am not the biggest lemming on site, just coz i said games can be compressed doesnt make me a lemming...........

COD dev-

Disc space,my friend. As much you'd like to think that we can put infinite features in a game we do only have so much space on a disc. so we have to decide what adds more to the fun factor and what is minimal. Plus there's enough blood already.


I don't know. i guess i could check. At some point i know we ran out. We had to scale back on some stuff. What you guys have in your hands is all the best stuff that we felt made a good game. Made with love.....specially for you.

360 gimped PC and PS3.killzowned24

COD 4 was a 6 hour sp.

I say we wait till mass effect, before we confirm blu ray isnt needed.jg4xchamp

The standard DVDs space could've limited its campaign length and they didn't want to go to the lengths of making a longer game just for the PS3? But I doubt they would ever say that even if it were the case. HS on PS3 is a relatively short game, so it's hard to say. The devs would have to admitt that it was the limited space of the standard DVD.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

COD dev-

Disc space,my friend. As much you'd like to think that we can put infinite features in a game we do only have so much space on a disc. so we have to decide what adds more to the fun factor and what is minimal. Plus there's enough blood already.


I don't know. i guess i could check. At some point i know we ran out. We had to scale back on some stuff. What you guys have in your hands is all the best stuff that we felt made a good game. Made with love.....specially for you.

360 gimped PC and PS3.-wii60-

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededkillzowned24

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

no since the technology would be licensed from Micosoft to whoever makes games for the X360

COD4, a 5 hour FPS confirms nothing. I personally think B-ray isn't necessary as the only games that can't fit on one disc (lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon) are extremely linear, so swapping discs isn't a big deal. There are some advanyages to it though. Uncompressed audio is possible on B-ray and sounds a lot better. Also the less devs. have to worry about compression, the less the time they have to waste cutting corners in order to fit everything on the disc. And lastly IW apparently had to cut some things out of COD4 because of the 360's use of DVD5. espoac

Mass Effect, a 20+ hour game does confirm something.......

Sony wanted to make their system last for 12 years casey7672

You do realize that the PS3 most likely will not be a system that outlasts the 360 or the Wii? Unlike the other previous generations where Sony held the overwhelming majority of the market share, 360 and Wii hold more than the PS3. If this continues, and by the time the next generation consoles come out, I can guarentee you Microsoft will not just drop their current console, especially since it's actually becoming profitable. If the PS3 fails to bridge the gap between it and the 360, Sony could very well just abandon the PS3 and mark it down as a commercial failure.

If you want to talk gimping the system, it wasn't Microsoft's move in not including an HD-DVD drive standard. It was not including a default HDD. I never understood why the XBOX had a hard drive standard but the 360 could not. It was by far the worst move Microsoft could have made when it comes towards the quality of the 360.

First off, you have no clue how Socom will be. The only Socom clips you've seen is for the PSN download, in-between, remake of old maps, version. It is NOT the full version of Socom 4. Let's wait and see how it actually looks before making any kind of judgements.

Second, there have been devs of CoD4 stating things were cut due to DVD. How do we know what? We don't. Why? Because it was cut for everyone so that CoD4 on 360 wouldn't take a hit.

Its just funny. We got someone trying to use a multiplat to own an exclusive on the PS3. What a joke.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededblue_hazy_basic

hmmm do you have a link for that, I'd be interested to read it.

sorry i dont have a link for it :( it was posted on system wars about a month ago and even i didnt believe it, there was a link for it, i think the thread was about GTA being delayed coz of DVD9 and the link was posted in that thread

[QUOTE="mouthpeace01"]

9's across the board...

socom ps3 won't look as good or play as well as cod4, but it'll be dev'd on bluray disc...why?

humber_matus

socom ps3 is a PSN game

It'll come out on Blu-Ray disc as well.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

hmmm do you have a link for that, I'd be interested to read it.

sorry i dont have a link for it :( it was posted on system wars about a month ago and even i didnt believe it, there was a link for it, i think the thread was about GTA being delayed coz of DVD9 and the link was posted in that thread

My PS2 is now just a backup, low-quality DVD player.

A few years ago it was my primary gaming console.

Now my Xbox 360 is my primary gaming console and my primary DVD player.

I have no interest in HD-DVD OR Blu-Ray, because I enjoy DVD movies just fine. They are cheaper and they still look outstanding to me.

I don't care about cutting-edge home theater stuff, except video games. And I suspect the overwhelmign majority of people on the PLANET are going to stick with DVD's for many years to come.

Sure there's the elite FRINGE (like 10%) of people who go out and buy a 32" HDTV and all that other nonsense when it comes out, to replace their 3 month old 29" HDTV - but who cares? All those people do is fill up landfills.

They're mainly HERE in system wars stroking each other's Virtua-Egos.

:)

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededblue_hazy_basic

hmmm do you have a link for that, I'd be interested to read it.

sorry i dont have a link for it :( it was posted on system wars about a month ago and even i didnt believe it, there was a link for it, i think the thread was about GTA being delayed coz of DVD9 and the link was posted in that thread

im trying to find it as well lol

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

now compressing even more data takes time out of making the game even better.

[QUOTE="casey7672"]Sony wanted to make their system last for 12 years Apathetic-Irony

You do realize that the PS3 most likely will not be a system that outlasts the 360 or the Wii? Unlike the other previous generations where Sony held the overwhelming majority of the market share, 360 and Wii hold more than the PS3. If this continues, and by the time the next generation consoles come out, I can guarentee you Microsoft will not just drop their current console, especially since it's actually becoming profitable. If the PS3 fails to bridge the gap between it and the 360, Sony could very well just abandon the PS3 and mark it down as a commercial failure.

If you want to talk gimping the system, it wasn't Microsoft's move in not including an HD-DVD drive standard. It was not including a default HDD. I never understood why the XBOX had a hard drive standard but the 360 could not. It was by far the worst move Microsoft could have made when it comes towards the quality of the 360.

Uh, you do know that 360's best sales year was 2006, right? And that, when this year is over, PS3 will have outsold 360 worldwide for 2007? Most of 360's bang was coming out early. But that will not sustain them through this gen. As multiplats become more and more alike, two major issues are surfacing.

1. Is there a chance that once some multiplats are built off of the PS3 that the PS3 version will be better? They could be longer, better looking, or both.

2. Exclusives will be showing the true capability of the PS3. And for Motorstorm, HS, Warhawk, and Uncharted (Uncharted is a stretch) to come out within the first year of the PS3, I think it shows some major strength.

Think about it. A system one year ahead is already being caught up to by the system that came out one year behind. AND, there's obviously been a lot of negative dev feed back. Just think if there were more giving it a real push. I think that says a lot for the PS3's capabilities.

Each time a game is made for PS3, the collective knowledge of all to work on PS3 titles is increased. Each one learns from the prior ones on how to work with the architechture. Yes, the 360 gets this learning curve as well. But if that was so great with 360, how did PS3 catch up?

My PS2 is now just a backup, low-quality DVD player.

A few years ago it was my primary gaming console.

Now my Xbox 360 is my primary gaming console and my primary DVD player.

I have no interest in HD-DVD OR Blu-Ray, because I enjoy DVD movies just fine. They are cheaper and they still look outstanding to me.

I don't care about cutting-edge home theater stuff, except video games. And I suspect the overwhelmign majority of people on the PLANET are going to stick with DVD's for many years to come.

Sure there's the elite FRINGE (like 10%) of people who go out and buy a 32" HDTV and all that other nonsense when it comes out, to replace their 3 month old 29" HDTV - but who cares? All those people do is fill up landfills.

They're mainly HERE in system wars stroking each other's Virtua-Egos.

:)

Netherscourge

This is why non-HDTV owners shouldn't chime in on issues concerning disc media. Blu-ray and HD-DVD are HD media. Of course, you wouldn't care about them. This gen, for Sony and MS, is all about the HD. So, you already start out not even experiencing the full capabilities of your system.

Its like someone on dial-up telling us about online networks like XBL and PSN.

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededGARRYTH

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

now compressing even more data takes time out of making the game even better.

doesnt take as much time as to optimize for teh cell lololololol

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

now compressing even more data takes time out of making the game even better.

doesnt take as much time as to optimize for teh cell lololololol

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededdeadmeat59

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

now compressing even more data takes time out of making the game even better.

doesnt take as much time as to optimize for teh cell lololololol

:|

oh god another lemming trying to defend dvd. 360 is not a true hd console it has dvd and componet ,deadmeat59

then ps3 isnt even a true gaming machine its a friggin Blu-Ray movie player :lol:

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]oh god another lemming trying to defend dvd. 360 is not a true hd console it has dvd and componet ,mingo123

then ps3 isnt even a true gaming machine its a friggin Blu-Ray movie player :lol:

[QUOTE="mingo123"]

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]oh god another lemming trying to defend dvd. 360 is not a true hd console it has dvd and componet ,deadmeat59

then ps3 isnt even a true gaming machine its a friggin Blu-Ray movie player :lol:

Blu-Ray doesnt automatically make games HD :|

[QUOTE="Athonline"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededApathetic-Irony

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

Still if you compress to much(also make 20 gbs like 9? quality loss maybe -if possible), the CPU will need resources to uncompress the files and store them temponary in its primary memory. Moreover having 2 discs in RPGs in not a so much problem, but when it comes to shooters it is. Everytime you want multi you will need another disc, this sucks. If BD is not needed, then why HD-DvD is? MS says is needed for entertainment and etc, so does Sony for its BDs.

When was HD-DVD ever needed? If HD-DVD is added to the 360, it would be at no cost to the consumer and would only be there to compete with the PS3's blu-ray player.

I think the point of this "new" technology would be that it could compress it even futher with little to no quality loss.

The point is that, even with no quality you 'll need resources to decompress and save data temponary on primary memory. Orange box uses around 90% of 360 power, with that tech resources that are needed, may increase it to 92-95%. Moreover you need RAM memory, remind me console with enought memory to decompress large ammounts of data and hold game information at the same time(360 has 512 RAM, PS3 also, gaming computer: 2gbs.)

for that hd-dvd, if it was never needed, then MS is making more useless crap and says it bring experiences to new levels, to make money out of them.

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

now compressing even more data takes time out of making the game even better.

doesnt take as much time as to optimize for teh cell lololololol

:|

You know what I like, there is nothing wrong with Blu Ray yet people find reasons to bash it because they need something other than a inherit lack of games on the PS3 to bash. Personally I don't have a crystal ball so I, unlike all of you can not predict what jumps in gaming tech could happen over the next 5 years or so. But hell...thats just me, everybody else here seems to know exactly how it's all going to pan out wether it be good or bad.

IMHO I think Blu Ray may be a wicked investment for Sony depending on how gaming evolves over the next few years, usually console gaming is restricted by the machine and delivery format, well at least this generation there is one machine that can expand it's delivery format much, much wider than is required today.

[QUOTE="UserFrenly_Noob"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

wow you are one of the biggest lemmings on this site. For exaple FSX crosses over to 10gbs compressed. but really how far is compression gonna go. 8.5 gbs is not enough for high res details and we are not even a year into this gen and we have games on the 360 that are on 4 dvds. on blue ray it would have barely crossed one layer

you can compress 8.5GB and make it 2-3GBs......and no I am not the biggest lemming on site, just coz i said games can be compressed doesnt make me a lemming...........

no iv found this by all your posts games these days go usually 15 gb's compressed they barely are around 8 gbs and there is no way it compresses that much to 2-3 gbs. i think i have enough information as a student of software engineering

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

Who wants 2+ disc now a days??? While you're in the middle of a fight, the screen freezes..."Please insert disc 2"....I'm all set...keep your dvd9...

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]oh god another lemming trying to defend dvd. 360 is not a true hd console it has dvd and componet ,mingo123

then ps3 isnt even a true gaming machine its a friggin Blu-Ray movie player :lol:

Blu-Ray doesnt automatically make games HD :|

it gives more room for HD details and the ps3 has HDMI 1.3 while the 360 has HDMI 1.2

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededtryfe_lyn

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

Who wants 2+ disc now a days??? While you're in the middle of a fight, the screen freezes..."Please insert disc 2"....I'm all set...keep your dvd9...

uhhh it doesnt work like that.....it wont ask you to change disc in the middle of the fight probably when you complete a certain mission then later it asks you to change discs.....not a big deal

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]oh god another lemming trying to defend dvd. 360 is not a true hd console it has dvd and componet ,UserFrenly_Noob

then ps3 isnt even a true gaming machine its a friggin Blu-Ray movie player :lol:

Blu-Ray doesnt automatically make games HD :|

it gives more room for HD details and the ps3 has HDMI 1.3 while the 360 has HDMI 1.2

it gives more room but doesnt make the thing HD automatically