CoD4 confirms BluRay not needed this gen!!

MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

compression takes cpu cycles to uncompress compared to the raw data being pull directly from the disc. so yes blu-ray is needed. I wonder if IW would have had to remove features if everything had a 25GB disc?

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[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededhiryu3

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

uncompressed, if 1 disc can hold Mass Effect then why cant it hold uncharted or MGS4? whats so special about those games? MGS4 has the worst textures this gen so yeah whats so special about MGS4 that only bluray is able to handle MGS4?

MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

So is that your professional opinion or fanboy opinion???

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededEricvon71

So is that your professional opinion or fanboy opinion???

just believe whatever you want, we'll see if MS releases something for DVD9 next year ok?

9's across the board...

socom ps3 won't look as good or play as well as cod4, but it'll be dev'd on bluray disc...why?

mouthpeace01

I'm trying to make sense of this. So.... a game that could of (and has)been done on DVD looks better than a game that will be done on BluRay.... I can't get me head around it. Your statemnt makes no snese and follows no logical form.

[QUOTE="hiryu3"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

uncompressed, if 1 disc can hold Mass Effect then why cant it hold uncharted or MGS4? whats so special about those games? MGS4 has the worst textures this gen so yeah whats so special about MGS4 that only bluray is able to handle MGS4?

And you know this because you worked on MGS4...............give a break you are just like the rest of the people on here you look at a screen shot or avideo and all of the sudden you are a gaming couch developer............please get real!!!!

[QUOTE="Apathetic-Irony"][QUOTE="Athonline"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededAthonline

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

Still if you compress to much(also make 20 gbs like 9? quality loss maybe -if possible), the CPU will need resources to uncompress the files and store them temponary in its primary memory. Moreover having 2 discs in RPGs in not a so much problem, but when it comes to shooters it is. Everytime you want multi you will need another disc, this sucks. If BD is not needed, then why HD-DvD is? MS says is needed for entertainment and etc, so does Sony for its BDs.

When was HD-DVD ever needed? If HD-DVD is added to the 360, it would be at no cost to the consumer and would only be there to compete with the PS3's blu-ray player.

I think the point of this "new" technology would be that it could compress it even futher with little to no quality loss.

The point is that, even with no quality you 'll need resources to decompress and save data temponary on primary memory. Orange box uses around 90% of 360 power, with that tech resources that are needed, may increase it to 92-95%. Moreover you need RAM memory, remind me console with enought memory to decompress large ammounts of data and hold game information at the same time(360 has 512 RAM, PS3 also, gaming computer: 2gbs.)

for that hd-dvd, if it was never needed, then MS is making more useless crap and says it bring experiences to new levels, to make money out of them.

when you say a game uses 90% of consoles power you need a linke or it didn't happen. Especially when you are talking about a game that is just a re-release of a game, or games, from the previous generation. I know for damn sure its not the Half Lifes that use that power. And from what I saw of TF2 and Portal they aren't taxing the hardware even though they are both very pretty games. So give us link and untill then you pulled that number out of your !!!

[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededEricvon71

So is that your professional opinion or fanboy opinion???

I've heard about this new compression style/technology too. It's common sense really. IfMS can compress their data better to fit more on the DVD9, then a more disk space won't be necessary and therefore they won't need BluRay for "larger" games. How was that a fanboy remark?

Although this doesn't mean that BluRay is generally not needed. Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are clear indications that games are starting to reach a point where the standard formats can no longer contain entire games. Like back when the FF 7 8 and 9 and Legend of Dragoon were on multiple disks. Other games didn't take up as much space at the time, but they do now, that and more. I think what we are seeing now is a repeat of that. So what we need this gen is the ability to store more data. And BluRay is a means to that end. But it is also just one route. When something gets full you can either move up to a bigger container(bluray), or find a way to pack the smaller container more efficiently.(New compression method) So while BluRay may not be our only saving grace this gen when it comes to the disk space issue, it is one solution to the problem and is, therefore stilla sufficient solution, but not necessary.

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[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededEricvon71

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

uncompressed, if 1 disc can hold Mass Effect then why cant it hold uncharted or MGS4? whats so special about those games? MGS4 has the worst textures this gen so yeah whats so special about MGS4 that only bluray is able to handle MGS4?

And you know this because you worked on MGS4...............give a break you are just like the rest of the people on here you look at a screen shot or avideo and all of the sudden you are a gaming couch developer............please get real!!!!

get real, MGS4 is a joke texture wise....i hope you can see that :|

This entire talk about blu-ray not needed sounds just like some of us have heard with every new trend that comes out.

I had to convince my mom to get a DVD player a few years ago because her grand kids needed it to play their videos. I had to convince my mom to get a CD player in their car because tapes are getting phased out beofre that. I try and convince friends to get an iPod or Zune because you can take all your CDs around in that decive rather than have tons of Cds in your car. I try and tell friends to get a router a few years ago because then you can have internet anywhere in the house without having to run cables.

All it is , is people sticking to the old and fighting to hold out and not embrace the new, which EVERYONE will have to in a few years no matter how hard they argue.

What store can I pick up a video tape of spider-man 3? It is either embrace it now or get the choice decided for you.

My PS2 is now just a backup, low-quality DVD player.

A few years ago it was my primary gaming console.

Now my Xbox 360 is my primary gaming console and my primary DVD player.

I have no interest in HD-DVD OR Blu-Ray, because I enjoy DVD movies just fine. They are cheaper and they still look outstanding to me.

I don't care about cutting-edge home theater stuff, except video games. And I suspect the overwhelmign majority of people on the PLANET are going to stick with DVD's for many years to come.

Sure there's the elite FRINGE (like 10%) of people who go out and buy a 32" HDTV and all that other nonsense when it comes out, to replace their 3 month old 29" HDTV - but who cares? All those people do is fill up landfills.

They're mainly HERE in system wars stroking each other's Virtua-Egos.

:)

Netherscourge

i bought myself and my wife a 55 inch Sony HDTV, it was really nice and i got it for $4500+ including taxes and warantees. and YES i want to get the most out of it after paying that huge. for other people like me, they want the best. cause they spend lots of money to it. some are fine with dvd's some wanted more. it is wat it is.

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[QUOTE="mingo123"]MS is releasing new compression technology next year to compress data on DVD9 better then before.....so yeah Blu-Ray aint neededmingo123

lol and that would in turn make bd even bigger.

i dont think games this gen will fill even half of Blu-Ray discs.....and im talking about uncompressed, once games are compressed the max they can go is 15-20gb's nothing 2 dvds cant hold, new compression technology will obviously allow more data to be stored on DVD9 so it aint a problem at all + 2 discs is always an option!

[QUOTE="UserFrenly_Noob"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]oh god another lemming trying to defend dvd. 360 is not a true hd console it has dvd and componet ,mingo123

then ps3 isnt even a true gaming machine its a friggin Blu-Ray movie player :lol:

Blu-Ray doesnt automatically make games HD :|

it gives more room for HD details and the ps3 has HDMI 1.3 while the 360 has HDMI 1.2

it gives more room but doesnt make the thing HD automatically

yeah it doesnt make it HD automaticaly but what company is going to use a BD if they arent going for HD they would use this thing called a DVD for SD resoulutions

Umm the game is a whole 5 hours long...

Since when does haveing more space mean a better game?

when you say a game uses 90% of consoles power you need a linke or it didn't happen. Especially when you are talking about a game that is just a re-release of a game, or games, from the previous generation. I know for damn sure its not the Half Lifes that use that power. And from what I saw of TF2 and Portal they aren't taxing the hardware even though they are both very pretty games. So give us link and untill then you pulled that number out of your !!!

NFJSupreme

I was wrong it was 93-94%. link: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1055600 , http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25979672 , http://www.consolenewsblog.com/11112-valve-half-life2-using-93-94pct-of-the-consoles-power/ Now happy? I agree TF2 and Portal aren't those. Maybe is the Half-Life Episode 2, since it's engine is updated(remains source engine) with better AA and HDR. The link is based on an old PSU interview, but bored to search for it.

actually they said that they had to toss out stuff because of disc space issues. some user here posted it so just look around the forum
UserFrenly_Noob

COD 4 was a 6 hour sp.

I say we wait till mass effect, before we confirm blu ray isnt needed.jg4xchamp

as long as we all keep getting great games, who cares! I think we need to get over this b-ray crap already. lets start enjoying this generation already.

LEGEND_C4A

See, its the ignorance of people like these is why a company like Sony can put out any format which makes the hardware price to sky rocket. And who cares!?! Well I believe the people that believed Sony's rant about how superior blu ray will be are the ones who cares and thats most of the PS3 owners. People are still waiting to see the full power of the cell and the full capacity of blu ray for games. Till then blu ray, the cell, and the PS3 are jokes.

COD dev-

Disc space,my friend. As much you'd like to think that we can put infinite features in a game we do only have so much space on a disc. so we have to decide what adds more to the fun factor and what is minimal. Plus there's enough blood already.


I don't know. i guess i could check. At some point i know we ran out. We had to scale back on some stuff. What you guys have in your hands is all the best stuff that we felt made a good game. Made with love.....specially for you.

360 gimped PC and PS3.killzowned24

WOw. The TC has been royally slammed over this one.

Not to mention that, if he wants us to take the CoD devs at their word, then we should all finally agree that developing for the PS3 isn't that bad and can actually be fun. Because that is also what the CoD devs said.

[QUOTE="UserFrenly_Noob"]actually they said that they had to toss out stuff because of disc space issues. some user here posted it so just look around the forum
Danthegamingman

COD doesn't confirm it. The harddrives and online do...

BluRay and HD-DVD will have the unfortunate spot of being created just before the Digital Download movement starts getting into gear. Wireless speeds are incredible and digital storage is quickly becoming a commodity. TV's are getting TIVO (or the equivilent) and On-Demand, Movies are now On Demand as well as available for download with a subscription fee to Netflicks or some other service. The majority of PC games are available for download. Even the consoles are gettin' in on the action with Virtual Console, WiiWare, XBLA, and PSN. It will only be a matter of time before discs are only created for collectors, a specific consumer, or backup.

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD have both been too busy sluggin' it out ot capitilize on the time they had and won't be able to grab a hold of a sizeable enough portion of the market to become the medium of choice for the masses.