CoD5 is more "casual-friendly" for PC

i just got COD:WAW 2 days ago and its a great game... casual or not its an amazing shooter and its mp is awesome....

Good job Treyarch !!!!

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="death919"] Well I guess we're playing online for different reasons since you are unphased by online filled with cheaters.death919

So you are telling the reason you play this game is not to enjoy it and have fun by exhanging bullets to another, but to meaingly grind and gain virtual ranks?ArisShadows

[QUOTE="Olidsc"]I don't know about you, but I remember back in the days before meaningless achievements, trophies and gamerscores, when people played video games for FUN, rather than some stupid carrot on a stick scheme employed by the game's developer. Hewkii

Are you seriously endorsing this crap? You like your icons and your GamerSCAWRRRZ that much that you're willing to defend it in the face of a legitimate argument with "shut it"?BobHipJames

yes, and it's not legitimate in the slightest. see this?

this is "achievements" back in the purest form. this is when games were played for fun, and it had a carrot on a stick scheme.

[QUOTE="death919"] Well I guess we're playing online for different reasons since you are unphased by online filled with cheaters.MarloStanfield

he's not unphased by it, he's competent enough so that he is able to avoid it. Same as other PC gamers

you're the one who cant play a shooter without autoaim or leaderboards giving you "e-props"

i'm guessing you like achievments as well

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="death919"] It's not about grinding xp to get the next weapon, it's about your rank being representative of your time put in, and yet on the PC version it's 5k xp per kill so people are maxed out within an hour or two. It makes it so that things like leaderboards aren't even available in the game, and turns it into a "Nintendo-esque" online system (no leaderboards, getting bored of it after a couple of hours). Thankfully the 360 and PS3 version maintained their legit online play.death919

Yea because nobody cheats in world of warcraft right?

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Olidsc"]I don't know about you, but I remember back in the days before meaningless achievements, trophies and gamerscores, when people played video games for FUN, rather than some stupid carrot on a stick scheme employed by the game's developer. BobHipJames

And the big flaw in your argument is that many people ENJOY achievements, not because it will "get them a hot girl", as you put it, but because they enjoy working towards a higher score, they enjoy the fact that their gaming is no longer "beat one game, move on to next, beat that game, move on to next". Now instead of beating a game and getting the fun out of it, they beat a game and get the SAME amount of fun out of it, PLUS more added to their score. Plus a bunch of neat side-objectives that they can try at, such as trying to 1v1 a tank in L4D or making it to wave 50 in Horde Mode (GeoW2). I'm the type of person who used to make my own challenges for games back in the day, and now there is an actual in-game mechanic that not only makes a bunch of challenges, but keeps track of which ones I've done so I can compete with my friends who also enjoy taking on these side-challenges presented in games.

The english language is a funny thing because it allows you to manipulate unexplainable things in a blunt, literal format. For example, you say "I get a bigger number every time I spend 18 hours on a game." You know what, that's exactly it, that's what it boils down to and therefore that sentence is 100% accurate in a literal sense. You know what other sentence is correct? "Wayne Gretzky spent over 10000 hours of his life chasing around a ball that he wanted to hit with a stick". Sentence is factually correct, and the prospect of spending thousands of hours chasing a ball with a stick is unappealing, yet there is clearly more to it than that. Just like there is more to gamerscore than "increasing a number", even though that's what it boils down to in a literal sense.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="Hewkii"] Arcades. now shut it.death919

[QUOTE="death919"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"] What the ****? Are you seriously endorsing this crap? You like your icons and your GamerSCAWRRRZ that much that you're willing to defend it in the face of a legitimate argument with "shut it"? No, seriously, step off achievements, man. They're the best thing that ever happened to gaming. I get a bigger number every time I spend 18 hours on a game. Then I clap and cheer and everyone likes me more. Why, just the other day I got a hot girl after getting the "Seriously?" achievement. And I love unlocking weapons. Having to accumulate experience through tedious kills in every online game that I play just to unlock guns that should be available to me the moment of installation is just AWESOME. I love feeling that accomplishment of wasting hours upon hours of my life on something that could be fixed by me complaining and choosing my software more carefully. I love it when developers exploit me in order to bolster the popularity of their product and stimulate sales growth.JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="Hewkii"] Arcades. now shut it.death919

And the big flaw in your argument is that many people ENJOY achievements, not because it will "get them a hot girl", as you put it, but because they enjoy working towards a higher score, they enjoy the fact that their gaming is no longer "beat one game, move on to next, beat that game, move on to next". Now instead of beating a game and getting the fun out of it, they beat a game and get the SAME amount of fun out of it, PLUS more added to their score. Plus a bunch of neat side-objectives that they can try at, such as trying to 1v1 a tank in L4D or making it to wave 50 in Horde Mode (GeoW2). I'm the type of person who used to make my own challenges for games back in the day, and now there is an actual in-game mechanic that not only makes a bunch of challenges, but keeps track of which ones I've done so I can compete with my friends who also enjoy taking on these side-challenges presented in games.

The english language is a funny thing because it allows you to manipulate unexplainable things in a blunt, literal format. For example, you say "I get a bigger number every time I spend 18 hours on a game." You know what, that's exactly it, that's what it boils down to and therefore that sentence is 100% accurate in a literal sense. You know what other sentence is correct? "Wayne Gretzky spent over 10000 hours of his life chasing around a ball that he wanted to hit with a stick". Sentence is factually correct, and the prospect of spending thousands of hours chasing a ball with a stick is unappealing, yet there is clearly more to it than that. Just like there is more to gamerscore than "increasing a number", even though that's what it boils down to in a literal sense.

Really, truly awful analogy.

All right, you want me to paint it in....I don't know, figurative terms? You're in a cheese maze. That's a metaphor. Enjoy.

You're wasting your time. Is that enough for you? You're "achieving" nothing.

If you're not playing the game the second time around for the enjoyment of it, you're wasting your time. Every game should have those options available to you in the first place unless it is integral to the gameplay mechanic or plot.

Online modes in games should absolutely be forced exemptions from achievement systems because it defies balance and requires a new player, HOWEVER INNATELY SKILLED, to WORK his way up to the top. At the end of the day, achievements make your games into work. Games are not work. Games should not give you a sense of achievement. Ever. At least the developer should not be setting you up for a sense of achievement. That's ridiculous. Like it has been illustrated, this is a carrot on a stick scheme to get you to play their game longer.

When I play games, I want to have the option to have new experiences, which is why I play on PC. Oh, wait, see what I did there? I play on PC because I can get custom content. Mods, custom maps, skins, custom weapons....full conversions. I can get this stuff on PC. Have you ever played Dystopia? Why would I waste my time grinding levels in a SHOOTER of all things when I could just download Dystopia 1.0 from Mod DB and have an entirely new experience with the same core engine and the same core game? New art, new gameplay mechanics, new weapons, new features....

Can you even compare something like Dystopia to something like a broken leveling system that eschews balance for a carrot on a stick ploy that you happen to enjoy? Moving on to new experiences is the point. If you don't like new experiences then I are confused. I are really confused. That's why people make games, for new experiences, for new plots, for new entertainment. That's why they work so damn hard at it, so you'll have a broad and encompassing and engrossing experience. But SOME of these guys like to pretend we just like being in their game world just because its so damn wonderful to look at all the pretty text. Watching a big number go up is not a game. Its a lesson in futility. It's base, it's boring, it's work.

[QUOTE="death919"]

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"] What the ****? Are you seriously endorsing this crap? You like your icons and your GamerSCAWRRRZ that much that you're willing to defend it in the face of a legitimate argument with "shut it"? No, seriously, step off achievements, man. They're the best thing that ever happened to gaming. I get a bigger number every time I spend 18 hours on a game. Then I clap and cheer and everyone likes me more. Why, just the other day I got a hot girl after getting the "Seriously?" achievement. And I love unlocking weapons. Having to accumulate experience through tedious kills in every online game that I play just to unlock guns that should be available to me the moment of installation is just AWESOME. I love feeling that accomplishment of wasting hours upon hours of my life on something that could be fixed by me complaining and choosing my software more carefully. I love it when developers exploit me in order to bolster the popularity of their product and stimulate sales growth.BobHipJames

And the big flaw in your argument is that many people ENJOY achievements, not because it will "get them a hot girl", as you put it, but because they enjoy working towards a higher score, they enjoy the fact that their gaming is no longer "beat one game, move on to next, beat that game, move on to next". Now instead of beating a game and getting the fun out of it, they beat a game and get the SAME amount of fun out of it, PLUS more added to their score. Plus a bunch of neat side-objectives that they can try at, such as trying to 1v1 a tank in L4D or making it to wave 50 in Horde Mode (GeoW2). I'm the type of person who used to make my own challenges for games back in the day, and now there is an actual in-game mechanic that not only makes a bunch of challenges, but keeps track of which ones I've done so I can compete with my friends who also enjoy taking on these side-challenges presented in games.

The english language is a funny thing because it allows you to manipulate unexplainable things in a blunt, literal format. For example, you say "I get a bigger number every time I spend 18 hours on a game." You know what, that's exactly it, that's what it boils down to and therefore that sentence is 100% accurate in a literal sense. You know what other sentence is correct? "Wayne Gretzky spent over 10000 hours of his life chasing around a ball that he wanted to hit with a stick". Sentence is factually correct, and the prospect of spending thousands of hours chasing a ball with a stick is unappealing, yet there is clearly more to it than that. Just like there is more to gamerscore than "increasing a number", even though that's what it boils down to in a literal sense.

Really, truly awful analogy.

All right, you want me to paint it in....I don't know, figurative terms? You're in a cheese maze. That's a metaphor. Enjoy.

You're wasting your time. Is that enough for you? You're "achieving" nothing.

If you're not playing the game the second time around for the enjoyment of it, you're wasting your time. Every game should have those options available to you in the first place unless it is integral to the gameplay mechanic or plot.

Online modes in games should absolutely be forced exemptions from achievement systems because it defies balance and requires a new player, HOWEVER INNATELY SKILLED, to WORK his way up to the top. At the end of the day, achievements make your games into work. Games are not work. Games should not give you a sense of achievement. Ever. At least the developer should not be setting you up for a sense of achievement. That's ridiculous. Like it has been illustrated, this is a carrot on a stick scheme to get you to play their game longer.

When I play games, I want to have the option to have new experiences, which is why I play on PC. Oh, wait, see what I did there? I play on PC because I can get custom content. Mods, custom maps, skins, custom weapons....full conversions. I can get this stuff on PC. Have you ever played Dystopia? Why would I waste my time grinding levels in a SHOOTER of all things when I could just download Dystopia 1.0 from Mod DB and have an entirely new experience with the same core engine and the same core game? New art, new gameplay mechanics, new weapons, new features....

Can you even compare something like Dystopia to something like a broken leveling system that eschews balance for a carrot on a stick ploy that you happen to enjoy? Moving on to new experiences is the point. If you don't like new experiences then I are confused. I are really confused. That's why people make games, for new experiences, for new plots, for new entertainment. That's why they work so damn hard at it, so you'll have a broad and encompassing and engrossing experience. But SOME of these guys like to pretend we just like being in their game world just because its so damn wonderful to look at all the pretty text. Watching a big number go up is not a game. Its a lesson in futility. It's base, it's boring, it's work.

I completely agree.