I bet you that was the size of Crytek Budapest before Codename Kingdoms. They made Crysis : Warhead on a team of 35?Yes. Something close to that.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]
Nope
The source claimed that in the "next few weeks," the Budapest studio, which has been working on the first-person melee Kinect gameCodename: Kingdoms, will shrink from 80 workers to 30-35.
GeneralShowzer
Codename: Kingdoms COULD be a KINECT first person melee game... LOL
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They made Crysis : Warhead on a team of 35?Yes. Something close to that. Haha. No. That's a number fit only for small projects. Also, you got any proof, or is this even more wild speculation?[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I bet you that was the size of Crytek Budapest before Codename Kingdoms.
KC_Hokie
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes. Something close to that. Haha. No. That's a number fit only for small projects. Also, you got any proof, or is this even more wild speculation? I found an article saying they had twenty something. "Then we brought in the Budapest team. Around that time, when we were finalizing Crysis, we were building up the Budapest team with their own project -- giving them full studio status within our small Crytek family. We brought them over to Frankfurt to meet everybody and get them trained on our tools and our engine. So we suddenly had twenty guys with weird names in our office, speaking a language nobody could understand"[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] They made Crysis : Warhead on a team of 35?
GeneralShowzer
So 35 full time a Crytek Budapest is normal. Again, this happens when major games are complete.
Regardless of what the team might have been before they even started Warhead, it obviously grew since Warhead was a major project itself . Also, the game is not finished, that's what you say, but a valid source says otherwise.
Who to believe...
Laying off 2/3 of the studio and having them make moblie games doesn't happen to all major projects.
You know who it happens to? Studios that are in financial trouble.
There is no evidence Crytek Budapest ever had more than 30-35 employees prior to Codename Kingdoms from what I've read. If you can find a source stating otherwise that would be great.Regardless of what the team might have been before they even started Warhead, it obviously grew since Warhead was a major project itself . Also, the game is not finished, that's what you say, but a valid source says otherwise.
Who to believe...
Laying off 2/3 of the studio and having them make moblie games doesn't happen to all major projects.
GeneralShowzer
Again, the firings are due to the fact they finished and the game is being shown next month at E3 in near final state.
I think you want this game to fail for some reason.
There is no evidence Crytek Budapest ever had more than 30-35 employees prior to Codename Kingdoms from what I've read. If you can find a source stating otherwise that would be great.[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]
Regardless of what the team might have been before they even started Warhead, it obviously grew since Warhead was a major project itself . Also, the game is not finished, that's what you say, but a valid source says otherwise.
Who to believe...
Laying off 2/3 of the studio and having them make moblie games doesn't happen to all major projects.
KC_Hokie
Again, the firings are due to the fact they finished and the game is being shown next month at E3 in near final state.
I think you want this game to fail for some reason.
- There is no evidence that it had less people working on Crysis : Warhead, since that was a pretty major project. It says they had 20-something people brought in to train them to use the engine, it doesn't say that those people were the full studio.- If the game was finished, there would be no need to actually FINISH development at their main studio.
- Why would i want this game to fail?
Also, you're telling me that after every major project people lay off 2/3 of their studio? :?
There is no evidence that it had less people working on Crysis : Warhead, since that was a pretty major project. It says they had 20-something people brought in to train them to use the engine, it doesn't say that those people were the full studio.According to the article I posted their team size was in the twenties during early production of Crysis Warhead. If you can prove they ever had more than 30-35 that would be great.- If the game was finished, there would be no need to actually FINISH development at their main studio.
- Why would i want this game to fail?
Also, you're telling me that after every major project people lay off 2/3 of their studio? :?
GeneralShowzer
The game itself is a month from being show at E3. It better well be finished. And Crytek Frankfort is more than likely doing final quality testing.
For small subsidiaries like Crytek Budapest to grow to 80 is almost unheard of in the first place. So for them to return to 30-35 employees isn't shocking.
No, according to the article you posted, they had 20 people brought in to Frankfurt to present them with the engine.
Nowhere does it say that that was the entire team.
According to you - Laying off 2/3 of the people after a major project is normal.
- They are moving the project to another studio just to polish it.
- Crysis : Warhead was made in a year with a team of 20 people. These must be the most efficient 20 people on the planet.
- If Budampest is returning to normal, why are they going to focus on tablet games? From major projects to tablet games? Normal?
You will say anything to fit your argument, yet nothing of this really makes sense.
These people are working for the presentation at E3. It doesn't nearly mean that the game is finished.
It was the core of the development team. Meaning a final team around 30-35 is likely. Again, if you have any source that states the size of the Crysis Warhead team as larger than 30-35 I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT!No, according to the article you posted, they had 20 people brought in to Frankfurt to present them with the engine.
Nowhere does it say that that was the entire team.
According to you - Laying off 2/3 of the people after a major project is normal.
- They are moving the project to another studio just to polish it.
- Crysis : Warhead was made in a year with a team of 20 people. These must be the most efficient 20 people on the planet.
You will say anything to fit your argument, yet nothing of this really makes sense.
GeneralShowzer
Laying off that many people at a small subsidiary of a larger studio is rare because they almost never get that size in the first place. A studio returning to its normal size isn't rare at all. Again, there is evidence their normal size is 30-35.
Yes the final stages of Codename Kingdoms are being done. They have to be to meet their E3 dedline.
Yes, 30-35 people could have made Crysis Warhead. Especially since they didn't have to create engines or anything. They used the Crysis one.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, your inside on the number of people who worked on Warhead.
The fact that they flew in some people to train them doesn't mean that it's the whole team.
AGAIN , completely changing direction and laying off 2/3 to make small mobile games is not NORMAL.
Nope, try again.MS is forcing this presentation, because they really have nothing to show at E3. You know that games like Deus Ex 3, Batman Aarkham City, Portal 2, were shown in E3 last year? Were these games too in the finishing stages?
Oooh, i see, you just need the engine and 30 people are enough to make a high budget AAA game. Doesn't work that way.
Nope, try again.MS is forcing this presentation, because they really have nothing to show at E3.GeneralShowzerWe'll see. I think the game is going to turn out well and will be ready for E3. The reason why they had 80 developers working on it was to get it ready by 2011 E3.
Also, OP, it says "with Kinect support". Not Kinect only. AAllxxjjnnThats what I thought. Guess KZ3 sucked then since it supported move.
alot of rumours these days, good thing E3 is a month away.
Absolutely pathetic..... Such as the 360 in 2011 I guess......
kobedaGOAT
psn is down for more than two weeks and most of the ps3's exclusives have flopped so far...and the 360's 2011 is pathetic because a game that might actually be good uses Kinect thats wildly popular right now:| ? wow...i guess haters r gonna hate but at least make it make a little sense next time jezuz lol.
If ture, then i can see a lot of hate for MS in this forums, few Lemms will support this decition even if the game turns decent, which i doubt since there isn't any decent game for Kinect anyway.
madsnakehhh
thats not true....there are many cows here still supporting Sony and its crashing and burning right now.
Regardless of what the team might have been before they even started Warhead, it obviously grew since Warhead was a major project itself . Also, the game is not finished, that's what you say, but a valid source says otherwise.
Who to believe...
Laying off 2/3 of the studio and having them make moblie games doesn't happen to all major projects.
You know who it happens to? Studios that are in financial trouble.
GeneralShowzer
whats funny is how you asked to spout more speculation after spouting some of your own...he then provided a link and your rebuttal is a post full of speculation lol. pretty funny.
[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]
Absolutely pathetic..... Such as the 360 in 2011 I guess......
LucidJubilation
psn is down for more than two weeks and most of the ps3's exclusives have flopped so far...and the 360's 2011 is pathetic because a game that might actually be good uses Kinect thats wildly popular right now:| ? wow...i guess haters r gonna hate but at least make it make a little sense next time jezuz lol.
What is this "most of the ps3 exclusives have flopped so far"? What?LBP2 = AAAE, met hype
Killzone 3 = AAE, flop
MLB the show 11 = AAE, no hype thread, so not a flop
Yakuza 4 = AAE, there was an "official hype thread" for this, but it didn't have a poll to set hype. If there was an official hype thread, I never saw it. Therefore, again, no hype = no flop.
SOCOM 4 = AE, met hype
Motorstorm Apocalypse = AAE, no hype, no flop
You know flop doesn't mean anything below AAA, right? A 7.5 game isn't a flop if it's only hyped "A"... Sooo... 1 flop so far, out of 6 major exclusives in the first 5 months? Out of curiosity, how well are 360 exclusives meeting hype this year?
[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]
[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]
Absolutely pathetic..... Such as the 360 in 2011 I guess......
ianuilliam
psn is down for more than two weeks and most of the ps3's exclusives have flopped so far...and the 360's 2011 is pathetic because a game that might actually be good uses Kinect thats wildly popular right now:| ? wow...i guess haters r gonna hate but at least make it make a little sense next time jezuz lol.
What is this "most of the ps3 exclusives have flopped so far"? What?LBP2 = AAAE, met hype
Killzone 3 = AAE, flop
MLB the show 11 = AAE, no hype thread, so not a flop
Yakuza 4 = AAE, there was an "official hype thread" for this, but it didn't have a poll to set hype. If there was an official hype thread, I never saw it. Therefore, again, no hype = no flop.
SOCOM 4 = AE, met hype
Motorstorm Apocalypse = AAE, no hype, no flop
You know flop doesn't mean anything below AAA, right? A 7.5 game isn't a flop if it's only hyped "A"... Sooo... 1 flop so far, out of 6 major exclusives in the first 5 months? Out of curiosity, how well are 360 exclusives meeting hype this year?
your response is that only a couple games flopped and a few others that nobody cared enough about to make hype threads for are meaningless. they couldnt flop...this thus makes my point moot. yea you got me :roll:
and the 360 is doing fine...not that many major exclusives to hype(or not hype) like the ps3. but Xbox Live has been awesome for me...its been pumping out some great AAA Arcade games. kept me busy until E3 where even more games will be announced. its funny how MS can spend so lil money on major exclusives but still give us quality games and some heavy hitters to play until the big boys are released. its just like last year(and the year before...) no real exclusives to tout in the beginning of the year then the 360 pulls a Rocky and knocks the ps3 on its @$$ by years end. its becoming a trend...that cows don't seem to realize or take into account for some reason.
truthfully, the combination of Xbox Live, multiplats, pc/360 games, exclusives, and Live Arcade games can't be beat. or hasnt been beat at least....
No, his response was that only one game flopped. Why don't you answer his question? What are those "most PS3 exclusives" that flopped? Please tell.your response is that only a couple games flopped and a few others that nobody cared enough about to make hype threads for are meaningless. they couldnt flop...this thus makes my point moot. yea you got me :roll:
LucidJubilation
What is this "most of the ps3 exclusives have flopped so far"? What?[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]
[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]
psn is down for more than two weeks and most of the ps3's exclusives have flopped so far...and the 360's 2011 is pathetic because a game that might actually be good uses Kinect thats wildly popular right now:| ? wow...i guess haters r gonna hate but at least make it make a little sense next time jezuz lol.
LucidJubilation
LBP2 = AAAE, met hype
Killzone 3 = AAE, flop
MLB the show 11 = AAE, no hype thread, so not a flop
Yakuza 4 = AAE, there was an "official hype thread" for this, but it didn't have a poll to set hype. If there was an official hype thread, I never saw it. Therefore, again, no hype = no flop.
SOCOM 4 = AE, met hype
Motorstorm Apocalypse = AAE, no hype, no flop
You know flop doesn't mean anything below AAA, right? A 7.5 game isn't a flop if it's only hyped "A"... Sooo... 1 flop so far, out of 6 major exclusives in the first 5 months? Out of curiosity, how well are 360 exclusives meeting hype this year?
your response is that only a couple games flopped and a few others that nobody cared enough about to make hype threads for are meaningless. they couldnt flop...this thus makes my point moot. yea you got me :roll:
and the 360 is doing fine...not that many major exclusives to hype(or not hype) like the ps3. but Xbox Live has been awesome for me...its been pumping out some great AAA Arcade games. kept me busy until E3 where even more games will be announced. its funny how MS can spend so lil money on major exclusives but still give us quality games and some heavy hitters to play until the big boys are released. its just like last year(and the year before...) no real exclusives to tout in the beginning of the year then the 360 pulls a Rocky and knocks the ps3 on its @$$ by years end. its becoming a trend...that cows don't seem to realize or take into account for some reason.
Only a couple flops? Only 1 so far. Which may seem like a lot, for a 360 fan, since they have had so far this year 0 flops, because they have had 0 exclusives. Not just 0 AAAEs, vs PS3's 1 AAAE. Not just 0 AA+ exclusives, vs PS3's 5 AA+ exclusives. 0 exclusives. And if 360 has been pulling a Rocky and knocking PS3 on its ass in the exclusive department by the end of the year every year, how is it that the PS3 has surpassed 360 in high rated exclusives, with a year less? The only way for the PS3 to catch up, let alone pass, when the 360 had a year head start (more than a year, really, if you go by the lems claiming that PS3 had no exclusives for it's first two years...), is if it has been beating the 360 in new exclusives pretty solidly.Here, I did the research for you. In 2010, 360 had 4 AA+ exclusives. That includes Kinect only games. PS3 had 7. In 2009, 360 had 2 AA+ exclusives. PS3 had 5. That seems to contradict the "trend" you were just talking about...
Kinect............:lol:
Hmm that's lame, kind of hoping its not.
So, Crytek might make the first "good" kinect game... that's should be interesting. E3 will no doubt shed some light on this.
[QUOTE="Hatiko"]
[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]
Lol, it is so funny every time to see haters still butt hurt about the success of Kinect. Get over it. It's time to move on.
TheXFiles88
Wow. Nobody cares about the success of kinect. We're mad that a potentially good game is going to be dumbed down (ie: can't move) because ms wants mo money.
Really? Then really you have reading comprehensive problem. The article CLEARLY STATED IT MIGHT BEa Kinect "COMPATIBLE" game and this is just a RUMOR. But haters just wanted to try their best to twist the whole article (still rumor) into a Kinect bloodshed. It is so ironic.
"which has been working on the first-person melee Kinect game Codename: Kingdoms"
Yes clearly stated it is a kinect game too. I didn't twist anything buddy. But hey, still support bad gamemaking.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes. Something close to that. Haha. No. That's a number fit only for small projects. Also, you got any proof, or is this even more wild speculation? It's about average for a small game like Warhead. Hell, only 8 people made Portal, and look how that turned out![QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] They made Crysis : Warhead on a team of 35?
GeneralShowzer
[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]
[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]What is this "most of the ps3 exclusives have flopped so far"? What?
LBP2 = AAAE, met hype
Killzone 3 = AAE, flop
MLB the show 11 = AAE, no hype thread, so not a flop
Yakuza 4 = AAE, there was an "official hype thread" for this, but it didn't have a poll to set hype. If there was an official hype thread, I never saw it. Therefore, again, no hype = no flop.
SOCOM 4 = AE, met hype
Motorstorm Apocalypse = AAE, no hype, no flop
You know flop doesn't mean anything below AAA, right? A 7.5 game isn't a flop if it's only hyped "A"... Sooo... 1 flop so far, out of 6 major exclusives in the first 5 months? Out of curiosity, how well are 360 exclusives meeting hype this year?
ianuilliam
your response is that only a couple games flopped and a few others that nobody cared enough about to make hype threads for are meaningless. they couldnt flop...this thus makes my point moot. yea you got me :roll:
and the 360 is doing fine...not that many major exclusives to hype(or not hype) like the ps3. but Xbox Live has been awesome for me...its been pumping out some great AAA Arcade games. kept me busy until E3 where even more games will be announced. its funny how MS can spend so lil money on major exclusives but still give us quality games and some heavy hitters to play until the big boys are released. its just like last year(and the year before...) no real exclusives to tout in the beginning of the year then the 360 pulls a Rocky and knocks the ps3 on its @$$ by years end. its becoming a trend...that cows don't seem to realize or take into account for some reason.
Only a couple flops? Only 1 so far. Which may seem like a lot, for a 360 fan, since they have had so far this year 0 flops, because they have had 0 exclusives. Not just 0 AAAEs, vs PS3's 1 AAAE. Not just 0 AA+ exclusives, vs PS3's 5 AA+ exclusives. 0 exclusives. And if 360 has been pulling a Rocky and knocking PS3 on its ass in the exclusive department by the end of the year every year, how is it that the PS3 has surpassed 360 in high rated exclusives, with a year less? The only way for the PS3 to catch up, let alone pass, when the 360 had a year head start (more than a year, really, if you go by the lems claiming that PS3 had no exclusives for it's first two years...), is if it has been beating the 360 in new exclusives pretty solidly.Here, I did the research for you. In 2010, 360 had 4 AA+ exclusives. That includes Kinect only games. PS3 had 7. In 2009, 360 had 2 AA+ exclusives. PS3 had 5. That seems to contradict the "trend" you were just talking about...
technicality for the win :roll: here yah go...since ur so upset i didn't feel like wrting all this nonsense out. OK...2 ps3 games met hype...1 flopped...and the rest no one cared enough about to even make a hype thread about them. better? jezuz...also if cows wouldn't conviently disallow the inclusion of Live Arcade games that scored damn well the ps3 would be completely behind the 360 where it belongs right now. i mean its so funny how lems give ya'll a break and don't count certain things for you and u have the nerve to try and throw crap in their faces because they did a favor for you and left certain games out lol. its just funny...
*also...i was solely talking about the 2011 year anyway. why are you going all the way back to 2009. ur reaching, or at least trying to get off our topic*
but scores don't matter that much anyway...we're talking about who had a better year in all around gaming, yes? what goes into that is way more than gamescores friend. so yes...the 360 usually does end up having the better year over the ps3 when all is said and done. its never been a total beat down like cows hope or predict it to be by the ps3. something is always happening with that system to make it trash...i seriously think its cursed lol. especially now after the hacking and BS that came along with it.
i'm sorry to tell you guys...but system wars is over. at least for the ps3...it's had too many mis-steps. it could make it to first place eventually and still be the loser imo. from being consistantly in last plave...to taking away far too many lauch features...to most multiplats looking worst on it...to long DL times...leading to the system losing online completely for two plus weeks...it didnt even have cross game chat still, which is moot since most of the exclusives were strictly single player games until recently. i mean the system is just faulty and weak.
Really? Here's a quote from your last post: "its just like last year(and the year before...) no real exclusives to tout in the beginning of the year then the 360 pulls a Rocky and knocks the ps3 on its @$$ by years end. its becoming a trend...that cows don't seem to realize or take into account for some reason." Then when you get proven wrong by actual numbers you want to change your argument...technicality for the win :roll: here yah go...since ur so upset i didn't feel like wrting all this nonsense out. OK...2 ps3 games met hype...1 flopped...and the rest no one cared enough about to even make a hype thread about them. better? jezuz...also if cows wouldn't conviently disallow the inclusion of Live Arcade games that scored damn well the ps3 would be completely behind the 360 where it belongs right now. i mean its so funny how lems give ya'll a break and don't count certain things for you and u have the nerve to try and throw crap in their faces because they did a favor for you and left certain games out lol. its just funny...
*also...i was solely talking about the 2011 year anyway. why are you going all the way back to 2009. ur reaching, or at least trying to get off our topic*
but scores don't matter that much anyway...we're talking about who had a better year in all around gaming, yes? what goes into that is way more than gamescores friend. so yes...the 360 usually does end up having the better year over the ps3 when all is said and done. its never been a total beat down like cows hope or predict it to be by the ps3. something is always happening with that system to make it trash...i seriously think its cursed lol. especially now after the hacking and BS that came along with it.
i'm sorry to tell you guys...but system wars is over. at least for the ps3...it's had too many mis-steps. it could make it to first place eventually and still be the loser imo. from being consistantly in last plave...to taking away far too many lauch features...to most multiplats looking worst on it...to long DL times...leading to the system losing online completely for two plus weeks...it didnt even have cross game chat still, which is moot since most of the exclusives were strictly single player games until recently. i mean the system is just faulty and weak.
LucidJubilation
[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]
Regardless of what the team might have been before they even started Warhead, it obviously grew since Warhead was a major project itself . Also, the game is not finished, that's what you say, but a valid source says otherwise.
Who to believe...
Laying off 2/3 of the studio and having them make moblie games doesn't happen to all major projects.
You know who it happens to? Studios that are in financial trouble.
LucidJubilation
whats funny is how you asked to spout more speculation after spouting some of your own...he then provided a link and your rebuttal is a post full of speculation lol. pretty funny.
His link didn't rebut anything.[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes. Something close to that.Haha. No. That's a number fit only for small projects. Also, you got any proof, or is this even more wild speculation? It's about average for a small game like Warhead. Hell, only 8 people made Portal, and look how that turned out!TheOtherTheoG
Two hour game which took them 2 years. Warhead optimized the engine, had a seven hour campaign and new multi-player. In one year.
Small game ? You've got to be kidding me.
Really? Here's a quote from your last post: "its just like last year(and the year before...) no real exclusives to tout in the beginning of the year then the 360 pulls a Rocky and knocks the ps3 on its @$$ by years end. its becoming a trend...that cows don't seem to realize or take into account for some reason." Then when you get proven wrong by actual numbers you want to change your argument...[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]
technicality for the win :roll: here yah go...since ur so upset i didn't feel like wrting all this nonsense out. OK...2 ps3 games met hype...1 flopped...and the rest no one cared enough about to even make a hype thread about them. better? jezuz...also if cows wouldn't conviently disallow the inclusion of Live Arcade games that scored damn well the ps3 would be completely behind the 360 where it belongs right now. i mean its so funny how lems give ya'll a break and don't count certain things for you and u have the nerve to try and throw crap in their faces because they did a favor for you and left certain games out lol. its just funny...
*also...i was solely talking about the 2011 year anyway. why are you going all the way back to 2009. ur reaching, or at least trying to get off our topic*
but scores don't matter that much anyway...we're talking about who had a better year in all around gaming, yes? what goes into that is way more than gamescores friend. so yes...the 360 usually does end up having the better year over the ps3 when all is said and done. its never been a total beat down like cows hope or predict it to be by the ps3. something is always happening with that system to make it trash...i seriously think its cursed lol. especially now after the hacking and BS that came along with it.
i'm sorry to tell you guys...but system wars is over. at least for the ps3...it's had too many mis-steps. it could make it to first place eventually and still be the loser imo. from being consistantly in last plave...to taking away far too many lauch features...to most multiplats looking worst on it...to long DL times...leading to the system losing online completely for two plus weeks...it didnt even have cross game chat still, which is moot since most of the exclusives were strictly single player games until recently. i mean the system is just faulty and weak.
ianuilliam
actual numbers....proven wrong??? what the hell are you talking about....? u didn't prove anything besides that i did in a minute way bring other years into the matter. even though i didn't mean for them to be the focal point. i wanted to stick to 2011 because going back year after year would get to lengthy.
what i pointed out works just fine to win this discussion. exclusives games don't make a year a win or loss...the whole package that system offers depicts it. and i'm sorry if you havent realized it yet...but Sony is constantly taking away from the ps3 while the 360 is constantly adding features to their system. along with the exclusives, 360/pc games, multiplats, and arcade games...the 360 has never been handily beaten by the ps3. in fact the ps3 winning any year is very debatable. but i think it has, just not many or by far at all.
i mean the proof is in the pudding...how many features has the taken from the 360 this gen? everything the 360 does the ps3 follows suit soon after. its follow the leader...and if Sony is following then the 360 is leading.
actual numbers....proven wrong??? what the hell are you talking about....? u didn't prove anything besides that i did in a minute way bring other years into the matter. even though i didn't mean for them to be the focal point. i wanted to stick to 2011 because going back year after year would get to lengthy.LucidJubilation
Yes, clearly you didn't mean to make the past two years the focal point when tried to say there was a trend over the past two years of 360 having no exclusives at the beginning of the year, then coming back and stomping on ps3 at the end, because if someone actually went back and looked, it directly contradicted the trend you made up.
what i pointed out works just fine to win this discussion. exclusives games don't make a year a win or loss...the whole package that system offers depicts it. and i'm sorry if you havent realized it yet...but Sony is constantly taking away from the ps3 while the 360 is constantly adding features to their system. LucidJubilation
Yeah, just last year they added the feature to pay an extra $10 a year for their already overpriced online service.
along with the exclusives, LucidJubilation
What exclusives?
360/pc games, LucidJubilationlike DC Universe?
multiplats,LucidJubilation
multiplats don't make a difference between two systems if both systems get them, thus they hold no weight in a comparison between those systems... unless you are traying to pull the old lem stand-by of "360 gets superior exclusives 99 million per cent of the time!!!" In which case, you can keep your multis that are superior because of graphical differences that aren't even noticable, I'm just fine with getting inferior multis that have extra content on the disc for free.
What determines who wins a year? There's plenty of subjectivity to debate, but you can't really go by that stuff, since, you know, it's subjective. The only things that can really be compared objectively are stats, like "who sold the most this year" (hint: PS3 outsold 360 by over 2 million in 2009 and 2010, and over a million in 2007. On the other hand, 360 did outsell PS3 in 2008. By about 100k.), or GS high rated exclusives (I already pointed out those numbers, but here's a refresher: PS3 beat 360 in 2010 7-3, and in 2009 5-2), or GS GOTYs (PS3 has 3, 2 of which are exclusives, 360 has 2, 0 of which are exclusives).and arcade games...the 360 has never been handily beaten by the ps3. in fact the ps3 winning any year is very debatable. but i think it has, just not many or by far at all.
i mean the proof is in the pudding...how many features has the taken from the 360 this gen? everything the 360 does the ps3 follows suit soon after. its follow the leader...and if Sony is following then the 360 is leading.
LucidJubilation
[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]
[QUOTE="Hatiko"]
Wow. Nobody cares about the success of kinect. We're mad that a potentially good game is going to be dumbed down (ie: can't move) because ms wants mo money.
Hatiko
Really? Then really you have reading comprehensive problem. The article CLEARLY STATED IT MIGHT BEa Kinect "COMPATIBLE" game and this is just a RUMOR. But haters just wanted to try their best to twist the whole article (still rumor) into a Kinect bloodshed. It is so ironic.
"which has been working on the first-person melee Kinect game Codename: Kingdoms"
Yes clearly stated it is a kinect game too. I didn't twist anything buddy. But hey, still support bad gamemaking.
bad game making? so i assume you've played it already? are the graphics decent at least? please, share some more info with us...
Only a couple flops? Only 1 so far. Which may seem like a lot, for a 360 fan, since they have had so far this year 0 flops, because they have had 0 exclusives. Not just 0 AAAEs, vs PS3's 1 AAAE. Not just 0 AA+ exclusives, vs PS3's 5 AA+ exclusives. 0 exclusives. And if 360 has been pulling a Rocky and knocking PS3 on its ass in the exclusive department by the end of the year every year, how is it that the PS3 has surpassed 360 in high rated exclusives, with a year less? The only way for the PS3 to catch up, let alone pass, when the 360 had a year head start (more than a year, really, if you go by the lems claiming that PS3 had no exclusives for it's first two years...), is if it has been beating the 360 in new exclusives pretty solidly.[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]
[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]
your response is that only a couple games flopped and a few others that nobody cared enough about to make hype threads for are meaningless. they couldnt flop...this thus makes my point moot. yea you got me :roll:
and the 360 is doing fine...not that many major exclusives to hype(or not hype) like the ps3. but Xbox Live has been awesome for me...its been pumping out some great AAA Arcade games. kept me busy until E3 where even more games will be announced. its funny how MS can spend so lil money on major exclusives but still give us quality games and some heavy hitters to play until the big boys are released. its just like last year(and the year before...) no real exclusives to tout in the beginning of the year then the 360 pulls a Rocky and knocks the ps3 on its @$$ by years end. its becoming a trend...that cows don't seem to realize or take into account for some reason.
LucidJubilation
Here, I did the research for you. In 2010, 360 had 4 AA+ exclusives. That includes Kinect only games. PS3 had 7. In 2009, 360 had 2 AA+ exclusives. PS3 had 5. That seems to contradict the "trend" you were just talking about...
technicality for the win :roll: here yah go...since ur so upset i didn't feel like wrting all this nonsense out. OK...2 ps3 games met hype...1 flopped...and the rest no one cared enough about to even make a hype thread about them. better? jezuz...also if cows wouldn't conviently disallow the inclusion of Live Arcade games that scored damn well the ps3 would be completely behind the 360 where it belongs right now. i mean its so funny how lems give ya'll a break and don't count certain things for you and u have the nerve to try and throw crap in their faces because they did a favor for you and left certain games out lol. its just funny...
*also...i was solely talking about the 2011 year anyway. why are you going all the way back to 2009. ur reaching, or at least trying to get off our topic*
but scores don't matter that much anyway...we're talking about who had a better year in all around gaming, yes? what goes into that is way more than gamescores friend. so yes...the 360 usually does end up having the better year over the ps3 when all is said and done. its never been a total beat down like cows hope or predict it to be by the ps3. something is always happening with that system to make it trash...i seriously think its cursed lol. especially now after the hacking and BS that came along with it.
i'm sorry to tell you guys...but system wars is over. at least for the ps3...it's had too many mis-steps. it could make it to first place eventually and still be the loser imo. from being consistantly in last plave...to taking away far too many lauch features...to most multiplats looking worst on it...to long DL times...leading to the system losing online completely for two plus weeks...it didnt even have cross game chat still, which is moot since most of the exclusives were strictly single player games until recently. i mean the system is just faulty and weak.
I'm sure most gamers appreciates full retail games oppose to "minor" arcade games. I'm not saying that the XBL arcade games are bad at all, but it's not quite fair to compare full retail games with arcade games, you should instead compare XBL vs PSN and Xbox 360 vs PS3 exclusives. And yeah sure XBL arcades -> PSN games, but as I said; most gamers will most llikely think that full retail games -> arcade games.
Also: the main discussion started because you stated that "most of the ps3's exclusives have flopped so far...". And you are partly right - according to SW 1 game didn't meet the hype (KZ3) and 1 game did meet the hype (LBP2) the rest wasn't "hyped on SW". Your comment is silly because "cows" IRL have been able to play 5 good games + 1 game that flopped both here on SW and everywhere else.
There's no reason for you to allude that most of the PS3 exclusives are bad, while in fact there has been a decent flow of good games for PS3 gamers. Surely you can't claim that 1 games (out of 6) make cows hate on everything?
Oblivion had crappy fps combat if you want Good first person combat then go play Zeno Clash best first person melee combat in a game ever!Oblivion melee was excellent in first person, although it lacked variety of moves. If Codename kingdom allows FP melee with a gamepad and variety, damn its one game I may buy.
Ironbash
It's about average for a small game like Warhead. Hell, only 8 people made Portal, and look how that turned out![QUOTE="TheOtherTheoG"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Haha. No. That's a number fit only for small projects. Also, you got any proof, or is this even more wild speculation? GeneralShowzer
Two hour game which took them 2 years. Warhead optimized the engine, had a seven hour campaign and new multi-player. In one year.
Small game ? You've got to be kidding me.
Seriously and warhead was only $30 and offer more content then the yearly cod rehash.this kinect just sounds terrible
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actual numbers....proven wrong??? what the hell are you talking about....? u didn't prove anything besides that i did in a minute way bring other years into the matter. even though i didn't mean for them to be the focal point. i wanted to stick to 2011 because going back year after year would get to lengthy.ianuilliam
Yes, clearly you didn't mean to make the past two years the focal point when tried to say there was a trend over the past two years of 360 having no exclusives at the beginning of the year, then coming back and stomping on ps3 at the end, because if someone actually went back and looked, it directly contradicted the trend you made up.
what i pointed out works just fine to win this discussion. exclusives games don't make a year a win or loss...the whole package that system offers depicts it. and i'm sorry if you havent realized it yet...but Sony is constantly taking away from the ps3 while the 360 is constantly adding features to their system. LucidJubilation
Yeah, just last year they added the feature to pay an extra $10 a year for their already overpriced online service.
along with the exclusives, LucidJubilation
What exclusives?
360/pc games, LucidJubilationlike DC Universe?
multiplats,LucidJubilation
multiplats don't make a difference between two systems if both systems get them, thus they hold no weight in a comparison between those systems... unless you are traying to pull the old lem stand-by of "360 gets superior exclusives 99 million per cent of the time!!!" In which case, you can keep your multis that are superior because of graphical differences that aren't even noticable, I'm just fine with getting inferior multis that have extra content on the disc for free.
What determines who wins a year? There's plenty of subjectivity to debate, but you can't really go by that stuff, since, you know, it's subjective. The only things that can really be compared objectively are stats, like "who sold the most this year" (hint: PS3 outsold 360 by over 2 million in 2009 and 2010, and over a million in 2007. On the other hand, 360 did outsell PS3 in 2008. By about 100k.), or GS high rated exclusives (I already pointed out those numbers, but here's a refresher: PS3 beat 360 in 2010 7-3, and in 2009 5-2), or GS GOTYs (PS3 has 3, 2 of which are exclusives, 360 has 2, 0 of which are exclusives). wow...i write a serious post and you respond with fanboy nonsense quotes. even though there are some really ridiculous you just posted here i kind of want to respond to...i'm going to give you the win here, enjoy. when you people say the nonsense you just wrote, i gotta go. because i can see its pointless to even continue to try rationalizing with you. have fun with ur broken FREE online. Sony said it'll be online again near the end of the month.and arcade games...the 360 has never been handily beaten by the ps3. in fact the ps3 winning any year is very debatable. but i think it has, just not many or by far at all.
i mean the proof is in the pudding...how many features has the taken from the 360 this gen? everything the 360 does the ps3 follows suit soon after. its follow the leader...and if Sony is following then the 360 is leading.
LucidJubilation
[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]
[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Only a couple flops? Only 1 so far. Which may seem like a lot, for a 360 fan, since they have had so far this year 0 flops, because they have had 0 exclusives. Not just 0 AAAEs, vs PS3's 1 AAAE. Not just 0 AA+ exclusives, vs PS3's 5 AA+ exclusives. 0 exclusives. And if 360 has been pulling a Rocky and knocking PS3 on its ass in the exclusive department by the end of the year every year, how is it that the PS3 has surpassed 360 in high rated exclusives, with a year less? The only way for the PS3 to catch up, let alone pass, when the 360 had a year head start (more than a year, really, if you go by the lems claiming that PS3 had no exclusives for it's first two years...), is if it has been beating the 360 in new exclusives pretty solidly.
Here, I did the research for you. In 2010, 360 had 4 AA+ exclusives. That includes Kinect only games. PS3 had 7. In 2009, 360 had 2 AA+ exclusives. PS3 had 5. That seems to contradict the "trend" you were just talking about...
danish-death
technicality for the win :roll: here yah go...since ur so upset i didn't feel like wrting all this nonsense out. OK...2 ps3 games met hype...1 flopped...and the rest no one cared enough about to even make a hype thread about them. better? jezuz...also if cows wouldn't conviently disallow the inclusion of Live Arcade games that scored damn well the ps3 would be completely behind the 360 where it belongs right now. i mean its so funny how lems give ya'll a break and don't count certain things for you and u have the nerve to try and throw crap in their faces because they did a favor for you and left certain games out lol. its just funny...
*also...i was solely talking about the 2011 year anyway. why are you going all the way back to 2009. ur reaching, or at least trying to get off our topic*
but scores don't matter that much anyway...we're talking about who had a better year in all around gaming, yes? what goes into that is way more than gamescores friend. so yes...the 360 usually does end up having the better year over the ps3 when all is said and done. its never been a total beat down like cows hope or predict it to be by the ps3. something is always happening with that system to make it trash...i seriously think its cursed lol. especially now after the hacking and BS that came along with it.
i'm sorry to tell you guys...but system wars is over. at least for the ps3...it's had too many mis-steps. it could make it to first place eventually and still be the loser imo. from being consistantly in last plave...to taking away far too many lauch features...to most multiplats looking worst on it...to long DL times...leading to the system losing online completely for two plus weeks...it didnt even have cross game chat still, which is moot since most of the exclusives were strictly single player games until recently. i mean the system is just faulty and weak.
I'm sure most gamers appreciates full retail games oppose to "minor" arcade games. I'm not saying that the XBL arcade games are bad at all, but it's not quite fair to compare full retail games with arcade games, you should instead compare XBL vs PSN and Xbox 360 vs PS3 exclusives. And yeah sure XBL arcades -> PSN games, but as I said; most gamers will most llikely think that full retail games -> arcade games.
Also: the main discussion started because you stated that "most of the ps3's exclusives have flopped so far...". And you are partly right - according to SW 1 game didn't meet the hype (KZ3) and 1 game did meet the hype (LBP2) the rest wasn't "hyped on SW". Your comment is silly because "cows" IRL have been able to play 5 good games + 1 game that flopped both here on SW and everywhere else.
There's no reason for you to allude that most of the PS3 exclusives are bad, while in fact there has been a decent flow of good games for PS3 gamers. Surely you can't claim that 1 games (out of 6) make cows hate on everything?
you'll see what i mean by years end...it happens every year. its just the way MS operates. they dont need to throw it all out there...they're in a comfortable position. the ps3 does...its trying to attract more people so it's letting all its eggs out the basket. i mean why are people acting like this isnt deja vu lol? cows always at the beginning of the year and towards E3 say how the 360 has nothing...then after e3 it gets a little quieter around here. i mean does the board have to stay in this routine or can cows learn finally to at least to get the egg off its face from last year before taking another dozen to the grill.i understand what ur saying...but come on, u and ur buddy understood what i was saying to. ur just trying to twist the technicalities of what i first wrote so it won't sting as much. yes those games are out...yes they're valid. but only 2 or 3 of them had hype threads...the others didnt. so that means no ones really cares about them anyway, besides a small margin of people. i mean if u want to brag on them go ahead. but they're second tier games...imo. yea theres more out but which is it cows...quality or quantity. when you didnt have many games it was quality...now u have more, nows it quantity. stop changing ur ethics. we only really know about the 360z Gears and Forsa so far...those r two quality titles compared to bunch of average ones. every other month you change ur story, pick a stance n stick with it.
LOL , that's so funny. :lol:
wow...i write a serious post and you respond with fanboy nonsense quotes. even though there are some really ridiculous you just posted here i kind of want to respond to...i'm going to give you the win here, enjoy. when you people say the nonsense you just wrote, i gotta go. because i can see its pointless to even continue to try rationalizing with you. have fun with ur broken FREE online. Sony said it'll be online again near the end of the month. LucidJubilationIf my response seemed ridiculous and fanboyish, then now you know how anyone who tries to debate with you feels. I mean you start off with the utter fanboyish "Most of the ps3 exclusives have been flopping." I tried explaining to you that only 1 ps3 exclusive has flopped. I tried illustrating that even though that is 1 more flop than the 360 has had, anyone who tries to claim it as a BAD thing is being beyond ridiculous. Yes, PS3 has more flops this year than 360. It also has a AAAE, 4 AAE, and an AE. That is exactly 1 AAAE, 4 AAE, and 1 AE MORE than 360 has had this year. But you want to try to spin it as a bad thing? And you want to say that I'm the fanboy?
As for the fanboyish resorting to cracking on the PSN outage, I've been just fine. Been meaning to go back and finish/replay Valkyria Chronicles for awhile.
you'll see what i mean by years end...it happens every year. its just the way MS operates. they dont need to throw it all out there...they're in a comfortable position. the ps3 does...its trying to attract more people so it's letting all its eggs out the basket. i mean why are people acting like this isnt deja vu lol? cows always at the beginning of the year and towards E3 say how the 360 has nothing...then after e3 it gets a little quieter around here. i mean does the board have to stay in this routine or can cows learn finally to at least to get the egg off its face from last year before taking another dozen to the grill.LucidJubilation
I thought I already responded to this? This "trend" you keep talking about? Of PS3 putting out exclusives early in the year, but 360 coming back post e3 and stomiping on them? PS3 had more total high-exclusives in 2009 and 2010. Not just more early in the year, more total. PS3 outsold 360 by over 2 million in both 2009 and 2010. Not just early in the year, for the whole year. Where is this trend of 360 coming back at the end of the year? Are you talking about 2007? I'll lay it out: if 360 has more AA+ exclusives than PS3 for the year at the end of 2011, I will come back on here and personally congratulate you for being right, and making me the fool, but that's a long uphill battle they've got... I mean, PS3 already has almost as many in 2011 as 360 had in 2009 and 2010 put together...
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[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]
technicality for the win :roll: here yah go...since ur so upset i didn't feel like wrting all this nonsense out. OK...2 ps3 games met hype...1 flopped...and the rest no one cared enough about to even make a hype thread about them. better? jezuz...also if cows wouldn't conviently disallow the inclusion of Live Arcade games that scored damn well the ps3 would be completely behind the 360 where it belongs right now. i mean its so funny how lems give ya'll a break and don't count certain things for you and u have the nerve to try and throw crap in their faces because they did a favor for you and left certain games out lol. its just funny...
*also...i was solely talking about the 2011 year anyway. why are you going all the way back to 2009. ur reaching, or at least trying to get off our topic*
but scores don't matter that much anyway...we're talking about who had a better year in all around gaming, yes? what goes into that is way more than gamescores friend. so yes...the 360 usually does end up having the better year over the ps3 when all is said and done. its never been a total beat down like cows hope or predict it to be by the ps3. something is always happening with that system to make it trash...i seriously think its cursed lol. especially now after the hacking and BS that came along with it.
i'm sorry to tell you guys...but system wars is over. at least for the ps3...it's had too many mis-steps. it could make it to first place eventually and still be the loser imo. from being consistantly in last plave...to taking away far too many lauch features...to most multiplats looking worst on it...to long DL times...leading to the system losing online completely for two plus weeks...it didnt even have cross game chat still, which is moot since most of the exclusives were strictly single player games until recently. i mean the system is just faulty and weak.
I'm sure most gamers appreciates full retail games oppose to "minor" arcade games. I'm not saying that the XBL arcade games are bad at all, but it's not quite fair to compare full retail games with arcade games, you should instead compare XBL vs PSN and Xbox 360 vs PS3 exclusives. And yeah sure XBL arcades -> PSN games, but as I said; most gamers will most llikely think that full retail games -> arcade games.
Also: the main discussion started because you stated that "most of the ps3's exclusives have flopped so far...". And you are partly right - according to SW 1 game didn't meet the hype (KZ3) and 1 game did meet the hype (LBP2) the rest wasn't "hyped on SW". Your comment is silly because "cows" IRL have been able to play 5 good games + 1 game that flopped both here on SW and everywhere else.
There's no reason for you to allude that most of the PS3 exclusives are bad, while in fact there has been a decent flow of good games for PS3 gamers. Surely you can't claim that 1 games (out of 6) make cows hate on everything?
you'll see what i mean by years end...it happens every year. its just the way MS operates. they dont need to throw it all out there...they're in a comfortable position. the ps3 does...its trying to attract more people so it's letting all its eggs out the basket. i mean why are people acting like this isnt deja vu lol? cows always at the beginning of the year and towards E3 say how the 360 has nothing...then after e3 it gets a little quieter around here. i mean does the board have to stay in this routine or can cows learn finally to at least to get the egg off its face from last year before taking another dozen to the grill.i understand what ur saying...but come on, u and ur buddy understood what i was saying to. ur just trying to twist the technicalities of what i first wrote so it won't sting as much. yes those games are out...yes they're valid. but only 2 or 3 of them had hype threads...the others didnt. so that means no ones really cares about them anyway, besides a small margin of people. i mean if u want to brag on them go ahead. but they're second tier games...imo. yea theres more out but which is it cows...quality or quantity. when you didnt have many games it was quality...now u have more, nows it quantity. stop changing ur ethics. we only really know about the 360z Gears and Forsa so far...those r two quality titles compared to bunch of average ones. every other month you change ur story, pick a stance n stick with it.
I hagree actually, it seems many PS3 games are front of the year heavy while many 360 games are end of the year heavy. E3 always seems to turn some tables though.
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[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]
Really? Then really you have reading comprehensive problem. The article CLEARLY STATED IT MIGHT BEa Kinect "COMPATIBLE" game and this is just a RUMOR. But haters just wanted to try their best to twist the whole article (still rumor) into a Kinect bloodshed. It is so ironic.
lazerface216
"which has been working on the first-person melee Kinect game Codename: Kingdoms"
Yes clearly stated it is a kinect game too. I didn't twist anything buddy. But hey, still support bad gamemaking.
bad game making? so i assume you've played it already? are the graphics decent at least? please, share some more info with us...
You realize bad game making and a bad game are two totally seperate things right? Geez, realize what you are tryping next time.
If my response seemed ridiculous and fanboyish, then now you know how anyone who tries to debate with you feels. I mean you start off with the utter fanboyish "Most of the ps3 exclusives have been flopping." I tried explaining to you that only 1 ps3 exclusive has flopped. I tried illustrating that even though that is 1 more flop than the 360 has had, anyone who tries to claim it as a BAD thing is being beyond ridiculous. Yes, PS3 has more flops this year than 360. It also has a AAAE, 4 AAE, and an AE. That is exactly 1 AAAE, 4 AAE, and 1 AE MORE than 360 has had this year. But you want to try to spin it as a bad thing? And you want to say that I'm the fanboy?[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"] wow...i write a serious post and you respond with fanboy nonsense quotes. even though there are some really ridiculous you just posted here i kind of want to respond to...i'm going to give you the win here, enjoy. when you people say the nonsense you just wrote, i gotta go. because i can see its pointless to even continue to try rationalizing with you. have fun with ur broken FREE online. Sony said it'll be online again near the end of the month. ianuilliam
As for the fanboyish resorting to cracking on the PSN outage, I've been just fine. Been meaning to go back and finish/replay Valkyria Chronicles for awhile.
you'll see what i mean by years end...it happens every year. its just the way MS operates. they dont need to throw it all out there...they're in a comfortable position. the ps3 does...its trying to attract more people so it's letting all its eggs out the basket. i mean why are people acting like this isnt deja vu lol? cows always at the beginning of the year and towards E3 say how the 360 has nothing...then after e3 it gets a little quieter around here. i mean does the board have to stay in this routine or can cows learn finally to at least to get the egg off its face from last year before taking another dozen to the grill.LucidJubilation
I thought I already responded to this? This "trend" you keep talking about? Of PS3 putting out exclusives early in the year, but 360 coming back post e3 and stomiping on them? PS3 had more total high-exclusives in 2009 and 2010. Not just more early in the year, more total. PS3 outsold 360 by over 2 million in both 2009 and 2010. Not just early in the year, for the whole year. Where is this trend of 360 coming back at the end of the year? Are you talking about 2007? I'll lay it out: if 360 has more AA+ exclusives than PS3 for the year at the end of 2011, I will come back on here and personally congratulate you for being right, and making me the fool, but that's a long uphill battle they've got... I mean, PS3 already has almost as many in 2011 as 360 had in 2009 and 2010 put together...
you don't have to come back at all, thanks. stop writing me please...goodbye.
It's sad when people say that Kinect suckz cuz it haz no gamez and then the possibility of a decent one emerges and you lot write it off as being crap when you know absolutely NOTHING about it.
If you want party games for the rest of Kinects lifespan, then fine, but don't piss and moan when the "core Kinect game" you've all apparently being waiting for comes.
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