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#1 Metroid_Other_M
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I've always wondered it. why compare Pc's to consoles? how can we compare a system that can be upgraded toset pieces of hardware?

The "I-built-a-new-gaming-rig-that-destroyes-any-consoles" is a puerile statement imo, maybe someone should compare a 2005 rig to the current consoles, now that'd be a fair comparison, wouldn't it?

if any of you pc gamers built a rig in 2005-2006, I don't think it is THAT superior to consoles and I really doubt that you can play most of the games at high, so the other void argument is that you don't need to upgrade your Pc every 3-4 years in order to keep up of the times. so imo "mocking" consolers cause they own "crippled Pc's" is a silly statement, as well as stating that pc gamers can't stand 30fps and 720p and that consoles' hardware is too weak. everyone knows why devs drop resolution and framerate, but in any case how many pc gamers can actually max all the games out with a 4-5 year old rig?

I understand that playing in front of a monitor, 720p doesn't look that good, but when sitting on a couch, at a fair distance from the Tv, you won't really notice the jaggies, unless you pay attention to them or get close to the Tv. And when it comes to framerate, 30 fps is fine for most of the games, so I never understood why some hermits come and say "I can't stand 30fps". Like in another topic someone posted screens of GTAIV on Pc that looked far better than the console versions, I mean really? back in 2007-2008 you needed a Nasa pc to play the effin game, not to mention all the hassle and performance issues.

when it comes to exclusives, Pc does have lots more of them than all consoles, but if you don't like the rts and mmo genre, you're skipping half of the whole exclusive list and another void argument is when Pc gamers state that they can even play 30 year old games and that that is not possible on a console or that they can emulate console games on their computer or *insert reason*.

i believe that games should be the most important factor in gaming and that pretty much everyone would gladly have a powerful Pc if they could, but saying that Pc gaming > console gaming is utter nonsense, because of the abovementioned reason, that is !games!

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It's like all of PC gaming's advantages just don't count here.
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I have a rig from O6 and it's miles better than any console... I've only recently thought about upgrading to get into the whole DX11 game, which isn't even on consoles.

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They play more or less the same games and go after the same sales, so I don't see what the problem is. It's like eliminating on of the world superpowers just because they update their military hardware to levels beyond the other ones.

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Yeah I always wonder would a $400 PC from 2005 play Mass Effect 2? If not then it's a big + for 360.
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I have a rig from O6 and it's miles better than any console... I've only recently thought about upgrading to get into the whole DX11 game, which isn't even on consoles.

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#7 dommeus
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It's like all of PC gaming's advantages just don't count here. AAllxxjjnn
Exactly. The whole "console graphics king" fad is just a stupid fight for second place. Same as all the 360 Vs PS3 sales threads. Second is the new first, lol.
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Yeah I always wonder would a $400 PC from 2005 play Mass Effect 2? If not then it's a big + for 360.locopatho

No chance in hell. It won't even play Mass Effect 1.

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direct comparisons are not possible since a PC is too different from a console, it has distinct advantages and disadvantages not present on a console. But your post is saying that PC cant count at all unless you stip away all of its advantages over the consoles.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I have a rig from O6 and it's miles better than any console... I've only recently thought about upgrading to get into the whole DX11 game, which isn't even on consoles.

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Yeah I always wonder would a $400 PC from 2005 play Mass Effect 2? If not then it's a big + for 360.locopatho
The fact that PC has a million more functions than gaming make that comparison all kinds of wrong.
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hmm someone post GTA IV screens of the Pc version.. consolers need to understand..

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hmm someone post GTA IV screens of the Pc version.. consolers need to understand..

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Yeah I always wonder would a $400 PC from 2005 play Mass Effect 2? If not then it's a big + for 360.Mystic-G
The fact that PC has a million more functions than gaming make that comparison all kinds of wrong.

Consoles too have more functions than just gaming.

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[QUOTE="italygamer"]

hmm someone post GTA IV screens of the Pc version.. consolers need to understand..

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Should point out to those unaware that this is a visual mod. The game doesn't come this way stock. But yes, it's running on PC.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Yeah I always wonder would a $400 PC from 2005 play Mass Effect 2? If not then it's a big + for 360.Mystic-G
The fact that PC has a million more functions than gaming make that comparison all kinds of wrong.

Not if all you are comparing is gaming.
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[QUOTE="italygamer"]

hmm someone post GTA IV screens of the Pc version.. consolers need to understand..

ferret-gamer

see Tc?

/thread

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#18 waltefmoney
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see Tc?

/thread

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See what exactly? That PC has better graphics? God damn it, and here I thought the wii had the best looking games.

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="italygamer"]

hmm someone post GTA IV screens of the Pc version.. consolers need to understand..

Mystic-G

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Should point out to those unaware that this is a visual mod. The game doesn't come this way stock. But yes, it's running on PC.

it is a mod, but it shows that when you take advantage of the power that gaming PCs have then it shows just how badly consoles are holding Pc back.
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#20 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

I've always wondered it. why compare Pc's to consoles? how can we compare a system that can be upgraded toset pieces of hardware?

The "I-built-a-new-gaming-rig-that-destroyes-any-consoles" is a puerile statement imo, maybe someone should compare a 2005 rig to the current consoles, now that'd be a fair comparison, wouldn't it?

if any of you pc gamers built a rig in 2005-2006, I don't think it is THAT superior to consoles and I really doubt that you can play most of the games at high, so the other void argument is that you don't need to upgrade your Pc every 3-4 years in order to keep up of the times. so imo "mocking" consolers cause they own "crippled Pc's" is a silly statement, as well as stating that pc gamers can't stand 30fps and 720p and that consoles' hardware is too weak. everyone knows why devs drop resolution and framerate, but in any case how many pc gamers can actually max all the games out with a 4-5 year old rig?

I understand that playing in front of a monitor, 720p doesn't look that good, but when sitting on a couch, at a fair distance from the Tv, you won't really notice the jaggies, unless you pay attention to them or get close to the Tv. And when it comes to framerate, 30 fps is fine for most of the games, so I never understood why some hermits come and say "I can't stand 30fps". Like in another topic someone posted screens of GTAIV on Pc that looked far better than the console versions, I mean really? back in 2007-2008 you needed a Nasa pc to play the effin game, not to mention all the hassle and performance issues.

when it comes to exclusives, Pc does have lots more of them than all consoles, but if you don't like the rts and mmo genre, you're skipping half of the whole exclusive list and another void argument is when Pc gamers state that they can even play 30 year old games and that that is not possible on a console or that they can emulate console games on their computer or *insert reason*.

i believe that games should be the most important factor in gaming and that pretty much everyone would gladly have a powerful Pc if they could, but saying that Pc gaming > console gaming is utter nonsense, because of the abovementioned reason, that is !games!

Nov 2006 era Geforce 8800 GTX says hi.
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

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ferret-gamer

Should point out to those unaware that this is a visual mod. The game doesn't come this way stock. But yes, it's running on PC.

it is a mod, but it shows that when you take advantage of the power that gaming PCs have then it shows just how badly consoles are holding Pc back.

If the PC is so wonderful and happy and profitable then why would consoles be holding it back? Why aren't there 100s of Crysis quality games out there? Genuine questions.
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are you seriously using mods as an advantage for pc gaming? why does anyone say that you need to patch the game x 20 times in order to make it run decently? I wonder why it got 9.0 on Pc and 10 on consoles?

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#23 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

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ferret-gamer

Should point out to those unaware that this is a visual mod. The game doesn't come this way stock. But yes, it's running on PC.

it is a mod, but it shows that when you take advantage of the power that gaming PCs have then it shows just how badly consoles are holding Pc back.

I love how you blame consoles for everything. You know, if Crysis sold better, the second game wouldn't be multiplat and consoles wouldn't hold your precious PC back. So if anyone is to blame, it's PC gamers for not buying.

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#24 Metroid_Other_M
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

I've always wondered it. why compare Pc's to consoles? how can we compare a system that can be upgraded toset pieces of hardware?

The "I-built-a-new-gaming-rig-that-destroyes-any-consoles" is a puerile statement imo, maybe someone should compare a 2005 rig to the current consoles, now that'd be a fair comparison, wouldn't it?

if any of you pc gamers built a rig in 2005-2006, I don't think it is THAT superior to consoles and I really doubt that you can play most of the games at high, so the other void argument is that you don't need to upgrade your Pc every 3-4 years in order to keep up of the times. so imo "mocking" consolers cause they own "crippled Pc's" is a silly statement, as well as stating that pc gamers can't stand 30fps and 720p and that consoles' hardware is too weak. everyone knows why devs drop resolution and framerate, but in any case how many pc gamers can actually max all the games out with a 4-5 year old rig?

I understand that playing in front of a monitor, 720p doesn't look that good, but when sitting on a couch, at a fair distance from the Tv, you won't really notice the jaggies, unless you pay attention to them or get close to the Tv. And when it comes to framerate, 30 fps is fine for most of the games, so I never understood why some hermits come and say "I can't stand 30fps". Like in another topic someone posted screens of GTAIV on Pc that looked far better than the console versions, I mean really? back in 2007-2008 you needed a Nasa pc to play the effin game, not to mention all the hassle and performance issues.

when it comes to exclusives, Pc does have lots more of them than all consoles, but if you don't like the rts and mmo genre, you're skipping half of the whole exclusive list and another void argument is when Pc gamers state that they can even play 30 year old games and that that is not possible on a console or that they can emulate console games on their computer or *insert reason*.

i believe that games should be the most important factor in gaming and that pretty much everyone would gladly have a powerful Pc if they could, but saying that Pc gaming > console gaming is utter nonsense, because of the abovementioned reason, that is !games!

Nov 2006 era Geforce 8800 GTX says hi.

sureeeeee everyone bought that gfx card back then. it cost like 2 consoles combined!
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#25 DethSkematik
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Yes, pitting consoles against computers is just pointless. Now if only the console owners would stop saying one game rivals a PC title, and PC gamers would humble themselves, maybe we can actually focus on who's got the better games and start a different kind of war :P.
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[QUOTE="italygamer"]

see Tc?

/thread

waltefmoney

See what exactly? That PC has better graphics? God damn it, and here I thought the wii had the best looking games.

better graphics is only one of the many things that make Pc the superior platform. I'm not saying that owning a console doesn't have its advantages, but Pc is the only platform that truly does everything
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Must post them Oblivion screens of mine.

See. Now I don't want you to mind Lilith (my character), please note the textures and etc.

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Should point out to those unaware that this is a visual mod. The game doesn't come this way stock. But yes, it's running on PC.

waltefmoney

it is a mod, but it shows that when you take advantage of the power that gaming PCs have then it shows just how badly consoles are holding Pc back.

I love how you blame consoles for everything. You know, if Crysis sold better, the second game wouldn't be multiplat and consoles wouldn't hold your precious PC back. So if anyone is to blame, it's PC gamers for not buying.

i dont care if crysis goes multiplat, good for you now everyone gets to play, unlike most people i understand that although the consoles limit the PC version in some ways because crytek is developing all platforms simulanetously the game going multiplat also brings some benefits to the PC version. And also crysis sold so poorly that EA announced that the sales exceeded expectations :roll:
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Yeah I always wonder would a $400 PC from 2005 play Mass Effect 2? If not then it's a big + for 360.waltefmoney

No chance in hell. It won't even play Mass Effect 1.

Yes it will easily

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are you seriously using mods as an advantage for pc gaming? why does anyone say that you need to patch the game x 20 times in order to make it run decently? I wonder why it got 9.0 on Pc and 10 on consoles?

Metroid_Other_M
how are mods not an advantage? it is one of the biggest advantages PC has over consoles.
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are you seriously using mods as an advantage for pc gaming? why does anyone say that you need to patch the game x 20 times in order to make it run decently? I wonder why it got 9.0 on Pc and 10 on consoles?

Metroid_Other_M
Joke? "PAtch 100 more times" the official patches were 4 quick downloads, whoa, my heart bleeds, after that it looked and performed better than my 360 counter-part. And now we haemods that make the game far beyond its vanilla in look and content? and you dont think thats an advantage? take the fanboy goggles off. mods are a huge benefit.
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sureeeeee everyone bought that gfx card back then. it cost like 2 consoles combined! Metroid_Other_M

Ugh no.. it cost the price of a PS3.

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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Yeah I always wonder would a $400 PC from 2005 play Mass Effect 2? If not then it's a big + for 360.locopatho
The fact that PC has a million more functions than gaming make that comparison all kinds of wrong.

Not if all you are comparing is gaming.

Too bad you wouldn't even be breaking even on that aspect as PC games are either cheaper or way cheaper than consoles.
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] it is a mod, but it shows that when you take advantage of the power that gaming PCs have then it shows just how badly consoles are holding Pc back.ferret-gamer

I love how you blame consoles for everything. You know, if Crysis sold better, the second game wouldn't be multiplat and consoles wouldn't hold your precious PC back. So if anyone is to blame, it's PC gamers for not buying.

i dont care if crysis goes multiplat, good for you now everyone gets to play, unlike most people i understand that although the consoles limit the PC version in some ways because crytek is developing all platforms simulanetously the game going multiplat also brings some benefits to the PC version. And also crysis sold so poorly that EA announced that the sales exceeded expectations :roll:

1.5 million is a lot? Lol, EA had some low expectations for such a hyped release.

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[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

sureeeeee everyone bought that gfx card back then. it cost like 2 consoles combined! Espada12

Ugh no.. it cost the price of a PS3.

The GTx version was VERY VERY much cheaper mind you.
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] The fact that PC has a million more functions than gaming make that comparison all kinds of wrong.

Not if all you are comparing is gaming.

Too bad you wouldn't even be breaking even on that aspect as PC games are either cheaper or way cheaper than consoles.

So you are saying that $400 PC wouldn't run ME2? Good to know.
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Should point out to those unaware that this is a visual mod. The game doesn't come this way stock. But yes, it's running on PC.

locopatho

it is a mod, but it shows that when you take advantage of the power that gaming PCs have then it shows just how badly consoles are holding Pc back.

If the PC is so wonderful and happy and profitable then why would consoles be holding it back? Why aren't there 100s of Crysis quality games out there? Genuine questions.

Because PC doesn't have a corporation to buy out developers.

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#40 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] The fact that PC has a million more functions than gaming make that comparison all kinds of wrong. Mystic-G
Not if all you are comparing is gaming.

Too bad you wouldn't even be breaking even on that aspect as PC games are either cheaper or way cheaper than consoles.

10 dollarz.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Not if all you are comparing is gaming.

Too bad you wouldn't even be breaking even on that aspect as PC games are either cheaper or way cheaper than consoles.

So you are saying that $400 PC wouldn't run ME2? Good to know.

Nice trolling you're doing there. Too bad you're comparing a proprietary gaming device to something that's created as a all-in-one solution on the same level of price.
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maybe someone should compare a 2005 rig to the current consoles, now that'd be a fair comparison, wouldn't it?

Metroid_Other_M

Okay, I had a PC in 2005.

GPU was a nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX, which is similar to the PS3, but the PC card did more.

2 GB RAM compared to 256 MB.

XP SP3 which is way more versatile than any console OS - Microsoft does monthly updates, whereas the consoles' OS remains static.

Better sound due to a SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS card.

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[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"] Sometimes the arguments made in SW is just hilariously stupid. Do people even think before they actually start typing down their ignorant garbage? Haven't you realise by now, if you would actually take a peek from under that fanboi shell ur living under, that the exact strength of the PC as compared to consoles is its sheer upgradability, customisation and versatility? That the reason hermits are hermits are because they want to be on the bleeding edge if they so choose or they can opt to fix their rig to fix their exact budget, whatever they may be? That they don't want to be restricted to a fix platofrm with no room for future upgrades?

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Yeah I always wonder would a $400 PC from 2005 play Mass Effect 2? If not then it's a big + for 360.waltefmoney

The fact that PC has a million more functions than gaming make that comparison all kinds of wrong.

Consoles too have more functions than just gaming.

Do you seriously want to compare the non-gaming fucntions of a consoles vs the PC? lol...
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#44 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"] Sometimes the arguments made in SW is just hilariously stupid. Do people even think before they actually start typing down their ignorant garbage? Haven't you realise by now, if you would actually take a peek from under that fanboi shell ur living under, that the exact strength of the PC as compared to consoles is its sheer upgradability, customisation and versatility? That the reason hermits are hermits are because they want to be on the bleeding edge if they so choose or they can opt to fix their rig to fix their exact budget, whatever they may be? That they don't want to be restricted to a fix platofrm with no room for future upgrades? [QUOTE="waltefmoney"] The fact that PC has a million more functions than gaming make that comparison all kinds of wrong. rollermint

Consoles too have more functions than just gaming.

Do you seriously want to compare the non-gaming fucntions of a consoles vs the PC? lol...

Or maybe I just pointed it out?

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#45 skrat_01
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Hey SW. Please don't say the PC is better for the reasons that make it better. =thread.
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#46 Sniping_Crowbar
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if its stupid then why did you make this thread to talk about it, if it was stupid to compare the two and if games mattered that much to you you would just be playing your games right??

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#47 locopatho
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Too bad you wouldn't even be breaking even on that aspect as PC games are either cheaper or way cheaper than consoles.

So you are saying that $400 PC wouldn't run ME2? Good to know.

Nice trolling you're doing there. Too bad you're comparing a proprietary gaming device to something that's created as a all-in-one solution on the same level of price.

This is Gamespot, of course all I care about is games :? As for your point about PC not having a corporation, that just means no royalties, so games should be cheaper to make? How are consoles holding back the platform with cheaper dev costs and higher install base? Don't call me a troll, I only wish to discuss :)
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#48 skrat_01
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are you seriously using mods as an advantage for pc gaming? why does anyone say that you need to patch the game x 20 times in order to make it run decently? I wonder why it got 9.0 on Pc and 10 on consoles?

Metroid_Other_M

and so you have revealed possibly one of the worst counter statements you can make against the platform.

Yes lets use the fact that you users can create their own content and expand on a game as a negative, even though the creative content is so expansive and ability to actually DEVELOP games of infinite value.

Be it modifications, experimetals and independant titles.

Yes this is a huge negative am I right.

New lows for SW, how nice, now let's all go praise Halo's Forge and Little Big Planet.

Because piddly steps forward compared to content which actually pushes the boundaries of the medium should be hearalded in contrast?

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#49 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

sureeeeee everyone bought that gfx card back then. it cost like 2 consoles combined! ExESGO

Ugh no.. it cost the price of a PS3.

The GTx version was VERY VERY much cheaper mind you.

Launch GTX was 600 like a PS3, Ultra was 800 and a waste of money, however the GTX went down to 400 and remained the most powerful GPU for 13 months.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="locopatho"] So you are saying that $400 PC wouldn't run ME2? Good to know.

Nice trolling you're doing there. Too bad you're comparing a proprietary gaming device to something that's created as a all-in-one solution on the same level of price.

This is Gamespot, of course all I care about is games :? As for your point about PC not having a corporation, that just means no royalties, so games should be cheaper to make? How are consoles holding back the platform with cheaper dev costs and higher install base? Don't call me a troll, I only wish to discuss :)

Oh, games are cheaper to make, that's why PC receives most all of indie titles that will never be on console. Consoles are the powerhouse in sales, therefore receive more attention from most developers. So instead of games taking advantage of PCs, they're primarily built to suit consoles' needs.