Console contract options are GOOD for the industry (intelligent discussion only)

Console contracts were a CRITICAL necessity to maintain powerful systems and innovation. Now hear me out first.

The simple truth is, manufacturers have always done a horrible business practice, selling their consoles at a loss (mostly with the exception of Nintendo, they are smart). This business method puts the manufacturers deep in the red. Microsoft and Sony lost millions and millions doing this. The business model has to change. They can no longer take huge losses. They all want to be profitable day one, its the only way to survive. Nintendo has mostly always been profitable day one, they demonstrate how to run a business for profits.

So, the only way to be profitable nowadays, it to keep costs low. This will result in a far stripped down hardware console, lossing substantial potential power to remain profitable. The powerhouse consoles we all waited to hear and be announced and drool over specs, will all be long gone with this business model. Innovation and leaps forward, will be killed.

OR

They can have both powerful hardware and profits, IF the manufacturers adapt to the current industry, rather than stick to archaic business modeling.This new way of allowing powerful hardware, and remaining profitable, is contracts. Offer a powerful console with a cheap investment year by year contract. In the end, you pay a little more than you would have if you saved up.

What people need to realize is, this is an OPTION. A necessary one in fact. The masses will surely love it, but some hardcore gamers wont. The thing is, you don't have to get into the contract. There will surely be a separate console without a contract for $400-$500 separately, but many families wont be able to afford it.Please realize the good things in this model. It will allow a leap forward in tech, while remaining profitable. We would have barely better than current gen tech if someone didn't come up with this plan.

Its a great, and necessary option for the industry to offer powerful consoles and not take huge losses. You don't have to be in a contract, you can still buy an expensive separate product. There is an option for both hardcores and casual. It is not a bad thing, but a necessity for the industry to adapt and survive in the current environment, the old powerful hardware/huge losses model is heavily outdated, and no company will ever use it again.

>reach thread

>intelligent discussion

I might be good for the industry but it might be horrible for consumers because they are forced to have a contract for a couple of years what if they change there mind and don't feel like paying for something that they don't use anymore.

What if their console breaks do they still have to pay off the contract for that broken console?

Choice is important. If I can choose to be a saavy consumer, save my pennies, get the best deal and buy outright, then I'm happy. If Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo want to pretend they're finance companies too, well, why the hell not? Consumers who don't care about paying interest will probably be happy enough paying any extra.

I guarantee you if sony was doing this you would be on the opposite side of your argument.

This will not spark intelligent discussion. The OP isn't even all that intelligent... It's pretty basic.

I thought you was leaving System Wars?

I thought you was leaving System Wars?

GamingGod999

This thread reminds me of my sig.

At least he's presented his views (Idiotic or not) in a respectable manner.

Whopper Vs Big Mac go go go carlisledavid79

But I guess Whopper it tastes better.

This thread reminds me of my sig.

slimjimbadboy

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

This thread reminds me of my sig.

GamingGod999

This

I don't like this model. I think the $99 Xbox 360 is bad. Very bad.

I would rather to pay £400 for a console and just use it without any kind of contract. It is preferable for me to play online for free. This is why I prefer the PS3, and the PS4 is surely going to be my only console in next generation.

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

This thread reminds me of my sig.

Desmonic

lol, I didn't realize that most of you were ok to see a guy reel in terror as your character shoots his jaw off yet a non-fatal accident is too much?

I am dissapointed that gamespot won't accept my attempts to edit the size so I've desided to share the rainbow.

Whopper Vs Big Mac go go go carlisledavid79

Whop-Big-Mac!

I dunno... I have to say Whopper.

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

This thread reminds me of my sig.

slimjimbadboy

lol, I didn't realize that most of you were ok to see a guy reel in terror as your character shoots his jaw off yet a non-fatal accident is too much?

I am dissapointed that gamespot won't accept my attempts to edit the size so I've desided to share the rainbow.

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

a. didn't you gtfo? stop nerd raging and do it

b. seriously, gtfo

c. intelligent and reach are not compatible in the same post, so thread failed at its very creation

Companies who seek profits and sales =
BAD gaming companies and BAD for the industry but are GOOD Business companies.

Companies who seek to improve the level of gaming and new IP's, whatever the costs =
GOOD gaming companies and GOOD for the industry but are BAD Business companies.

In a realistic family...
Let the KIDS play with the poor material and let the ADULTS play with better material = All round HAPPY companies and customers cos they all benefit.

A reach3 thread

reach3 =

Almost everyone else at you

A brilliant idea whose time has come, hence the reason sony fanboys are against it

It's called a credit card. Oh and they're usually a bad idea.SolidSnake35

On the contrary, i'd disagree. Credit scores are a necessity of life nowadays. Good look getting a mortgage with a poor/no credit score.

the problem isn't really the consoles..

its the software for the consoles, M$/sony should easily be able to make it back through royalties but game companies are folding left and right over over-budgeted games. If something needs to change its the resource management for software developers.

edit: although M$ new payment model should help move more consoles... which should help sell more software in the long run

They could be good if they were not a blatant rip-off like the 360 one

You people who insulted reach3 should be ashamed. This is a good thread. Why not at least praise him for that?

They can be good if used properly. And that is where things go wrong.
Consumers buy them a little too easily.
And the manufacturers are unlikely to make them a decent deal. They already hold so much power over consumers that you have to wonder what situation you'd create. Banned consoles that are still being paid for, broken consoles with extra high repair costs.

You people who insulted reach3 should be ashamed. This is a good thread. Why not at least praise him for that?

GamerwillzPS

Console contracts were a CRITICAL necessity to maintain powerful systems and innovation. Now hear me out first.

The simple truth is, manufacturers have always done a horrible business practice, selling their consoles at a loss (mostly with the exception of Nintendo, they are smart). This business method puts the manufacturers deep in the red. Microsoft and Sony lost millions and millions doing this. The business model has to change. They can no longer take huge losses. They all want to be profitable day one, its the only way to survive. Nintendo has mostly always been profitable day one, they demonstrate how to run a business for profits.

So, the only way to be profitable nowadays, it to keep costs low. This will result in a far stripped down hardware console, lossing substantial potential power to remain profitable. The powerhouse consoles we all waited to hear and be announced and drool over specs, will all be long gone with this business model. Innovation and leaps forward, will be killed.

OR

They can have both powerful hardware and profits, IF the manufacturers adapt to the current industry, rather than stick to archaic business modeling.This new way of allowing powerful hardware, and remaining profitable, is contracts. Offer a powerful console with a cheap investment year by year contract. In the end, you pay a little more than you would have if you saved up.

What people need to realize is, this is an OPTION. A necessary one in fact. The masses will surely love it, but some hardcore gamers wont. The thing is, you don't have to get into the contract. There will surely be a separate console without a contract for $400-$500 separately, but many families wont be able to afford it.Please realize the good things in this model. It will allow a leap forward in tech, while remaining profitable. We would have barely better than current gen tech if someone didn't come up with this plan.

Its a great, and necessary option for the industry to offer powerful consoles and not take huge losses. You don't have to be in a contract, you can still buy an expensive separate product. There is an option for both hardcores and casual. It is not a bad thing, but a necessity for the industry to adapt and survive in the current environment, the old powerful hardware/huge losses model is heavily outdated, and no company will ever use it again.

reach3

What is this, you said you were leaving!?!?!?!

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] Holy sh!t at that accident though ..:?

GamingGod999

lol, I didn't realize that most of you were ok to see a guy reel in terror as your character shoots his jaw off yet a non-fatal accident is too much?

I am dissapointed that gamespot won't accept my attempts to edit the size so I've desided to share the rainbow.

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

Haha, that got a laugh otta me :P

If I could have edited the crash down to half the size, I would have kept it but rainbows are just as fun.

[QUOTE="GamingGod999"]

I thought you was leaving System Wars?

reach3

Thank God, we have enough fanboys and fakeboys on the board.

I might be good for the industry but it might be horrible for consumers because they are forced to have a contract for a couple of years what if they change there mind and don't feel like paying for something that they don't use anymore.

What if their console breaks do they still have to pay off the contract for that broken console?

Nintendo_Ownes7

>Intelligent Discussion
>System Wars

>reach thread

>intelligent discussion

freedomfreak

Console contracts were a CRITICAL necessity to maintain powerful systems and innovation. Now hear me out first.

The simple truth is, manufacturers have always done a horrible business practice, selling their consoles at a loss (mostly with the exception of Nintendo, they are smart). This business method puts the manufacturers deep in the red. Microsoft and Sony lost millions and millions doing this. The business model has to change. They can no longer take huge losses. They all want to be profitable day one, its the only way to survive. Nintendo has mostly always been profitable day one, they demonstrate how to run a business for profits.

So, the only way to be profitable nowadays, it to keep costs low. This will result in a far stripped down hardware console, lossing substantial potential power to remain profitable. The powerhouse consoles we all waited to hear and be announced and drool over specs, will all be long gone with this business model. Innovation and leaps forward, will be killed.

OR

They can have both powerful hardware and profits, IF the manufacturers adapt to the current industry, rather than stick to archaic business modeling.This new way of allowing powerful hardware, and remaining profitable, is contracts. Offer a powerful console with a cheap investment year by year contract. In the end, you pay a little more than you would have if you saved up.

What people need to realize is, this is an OPTION. A necessary one in fact. The masses will surely love it, but some hardcore gamers wont. The thing is, you don't have to get into the contract. There will surely be a separate console without a contract for $400-$500 separately, but many families wont be able to afford it.Please realize the good things in this model. It will allow a leap forward in tech, while remaining profitable. We would have barely better than current gen tech if someone didn't come up with this plan.

Its a great, and necessary option for the industry to offer powerful consoles and not take huge losses. You don't have to be in a contract, you can still buy an expensive separate product. There is an option for both hardcores and casual. It is not a bad thing, but a necessity for the industry to adapt and survive in the current environment, the old powerful hardware/huge losses model is heavily outdated, and no company will ever use it again.

reach3

Good for the industry? Not really. When you're locking people into multi year contracts just to get the basic hardware, they aren't likely to have the disposable income to make many game purchasessantoron

It is impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you, TC.

Also, didn't you say you were leaving SW a few days ago when you had yet another butthurt meltdown?

I don't see why you guys can't focus on the points he made instead of bringing up stuff that actually stops any actual discussion from taking place. Anyway, I don't see console contracts working unless the consoles can be made into something that is more of an investment than a box to play games.