Console gamers literally are too dumb to play this kind of game.

Unfortunately that is the attitude of many big publishers, and all the more reason crowsourcing and development funding by the consumer is important for games. I'll be putting in some money towards this and Wasteland 2, I've had my eye on it for a while - really hope it reaches its goal - the guy deserves the exposure.skrat_01

Wasteland 2 has got me excited my name alone.

I wondor how different it will be from the Fallout games.

i dont find his concept apealing . unless the gameplay feel like crysis 1.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] yeah the TC should change the title..maybe then people would understand the point

SpruceCaboose

The responsibility is solely on the shoulders of the reader. Ranting based only on the title... now THAT's dumb. Then again, maybe it's not being just dumb. It's also being lazy.

Did OP forget that the original Rainbow Six and Rouge Squad were on the PS1? Oh yeah, Ghost Recon (the original) was on the PS2 and Xbox and Gamecube.

Ever think that maybe game development costs got high the little niche communites couldn't support the developers anymore? The guy has to take donations just to convince a publishers, and he's going to squeak by. That's how tiny the audience is in relation to the rest of gaming.

Sure, maybe now that PC gaming has more than quardupled in size there is enough people to make a tactical shooter, but not a few years ago.

Wasdie

What happened was simple: they didn't sell as well on consoles. Yes, RainbowSix and Rogue Spear was on consoles, but they sold like utter crap. Ghost Recon did better, but it already was slightly dumbed down (you could take more hits, there were more enemies on maps). And since then the more they dumbed down their games the better they sold on consoles. RainbowSix 3 on XBox was already halfway to arcade and it sold better than any previous Ubisoft's console shooter. And Vegas turned into pure arcade and again ales jumped up.

It's not that it's not profitable to make PC tactical shooter as that it's more profitable to make multiplat arcade one.

And it's not that console gamers are to dumb to play RainbowSix, they just prefer simple shooters.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] yeah the TC should change the title..maybe then people would understand the point

SpruceCaboose

The responsibility is solely on the shoulders of the reader. Ranting based only on the title... now THAT's dumb. Then again, maybe it's not being just dumb. It's also being lazy.

But it fits perfectly. People who are too lazy to read anything besides the title are the same people that wouldn't want to spend 10 minutes doing pre-mision plan in RainbowSix

While statements like this are obviously factual, it is a bit unfair to point it out so bluntly.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Unfortunately that is the attitude of many big publishers, and all the more reason crowsourcing and development funding by the consumer is important for games. I'll be putting in some money towards this and Wasteland 2, I've had my eye on it for a while - really hope it reaches its goal - the guy deserves the exposure.OB-47

Wasteland 2 has got me excited my name alone.

I wondor how different it will be from the Fallout games.

Hmm, this guy does not sound like the best marketer in the world.

Though I guess he does get the elitist vote.

[QUOTE="Majistrate"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

LOL what a moron.

I pity you if you think playing overly complicated, boring video games is a clear indicator of intelligence.

Aljosa23

Nah...even back in the 90s and early 00s every good tactical shooter sold over million copies on PC.

What happened was simple: they didn't sell as well on consoles. Yes, RainbowSix and Rogue Spear was on consoles, but they sold like utter crap. Ghost Recon did better, but it already was slightly dumbed down (you could take more hits, there were more enemies on maps). And since then the more they dumbed down their games the better they sold on consoles. RainbowSix 3 on XBox was already halfway to arcade and it sold better than any previous Ubisoft's console shooter. And Vegas turned into pure arcade and again ales jumped up.

It's not that it's not profitable to make PC tactical shooter as that it's more profitable to make multiplat arcade one.

And it's not that console gamers are to dumb to play RainbowSix, they just prefer simple shooters.

AdrianWerner

Although the final product isn't as feature-rich as its PC counterpart, Rainbow Six for the Dreamcast retains the original's slow-paced, strategic gameplay while, somewhat amazingly, not sacrificing any of its complexity to the Dreamcast's limited controller.Gamespots Rainbow Six Dreamcast Review

Ghost Recon the Xbox still had the same "one-shot-kill" gameplay as it's PC counterpart, nothing was removed or dumbed down so I have no idea where you're pulling that from. The reason it was more successful on Xbox was it's improved AI, interface, and extensive support for Xbox Live which was relatively new at the time.

I understand that PC is your preferred platorm, that's all fine and dandy, but give credit where credit is due.

Apparently I had a PhD a decade or so ago, to enable me to play SWAT and Ghost Recon, Island Thunder etc.

Here's a hint : those games weren't that hard

About the same as R6Vegas 1 & 2 really

I probably died more to lambent doggies in Gears 2 than I did in SWAT

Brilliant move insulting possible fans. Really, brilliant.

Apparently I had a PhD a decade or so ago, to enable me to play SWAT and Ghost Recon, Island Thunder etc.

Here's a hint : those games weren't that hard

About the same as R6Vegas 1 & 2 really

I probably died more to lambent doggies in Gears 2 than I did in SWAT

Brilliant move insulting possible fans. Really, brilliant.

ZombieKiller7

Apparently I had a PhD a decade or so ago, to enable me to play SWAT and Ghost Recon, Island Thunder etc.

Here's a hint : those games weren't that hard

About the same as R6Vegas 1 & 2 really

I probably died more to lambent doggies in Gears 2 than I did in SWAT

Brilliant move insulting possible fans. Really, brilliant.

ZombieKiller7

Stop reading thread titles alone, it will save you alot of stupid statements and lmao @ saying old school R6 games and Vegas are the same difficulty.

I think I'm too smart to fall for this arrogance.foxhound_fox

What arrogance?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I think I'm too smart to fall for this arrogance.GD1551

What arrogance?

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]well..he/she wasn't exactly wrong with the statement. The game he described sounded alot like the old school rainbow six games and the SWAT series..games that in this day and age would do horrible on consoles because of the punishing trial and error.loosingENDS

Sure, i read you need a 3 PhD to play such games, a console gamer could never play them

With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.tomarlyn

While statements like this are obviously factual, it is a bit unfair to point it out so bluntly.

tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

While statements like this are obviously factual, it is a bit unfair to point it out so bluntly.

DarthJohnova

Given the mans condition and medical state, yes, it is a very stupid thing to say.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.lawlessx

[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

While statements like this are obviously factual, it is a bit unfair to point it out so bluntly.

tenaka2

Given the mans condition and medical state, yes, it is a very stupid thing to say.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Majistrate"]

Just because you can't grasp the complexities of such games, does not make them boring.

Majistrate

Your second comment is dumb. I don't even like Call of Duty.

console player here, and i played RS3 back in the day yup...im too dumb.

With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.tomarlyn

With comments like these, no wonder Publishers thinks console gamers are as smart as a loaf of bread.

Try reading the article, champ.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.Jankarcop

With comments like these, no wonder Publishers thinks console gamers are as smart as a loaf of bread.

Try reading the article, champ.

its the general attitude how PC gamers somehow think they are more superior and somehow are more brainy because they game on PC. Thatss why people rag on the few PC gamers on here your no better than anyone sit down just because you've thrown more cash at something doesnt make you any more of a gamer, games are becoming more streamlined in favour of acessibility its a massive market and publishers want to tap in and reap big profits, people think gaming should just be for them and forget bout the big picture and PC gamers are especially bad for this on this board.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.razgriz_101

With comments like these, no wonder Publishers thinks console gamers are as smart as a loaf of bread.

Try reading the article, champ.

its the general attitude how PC gamers somehow think they are more superior and somehow are more brainy because they game on PC. Thatss why people rag on the few PC gamers on here your no better than anyone sit down just because you've thrown more cash at something doesnt make you any more of a gamer, games are becoming more streamlined in favour of acessibility its a massive market and publishers want to tap in and reap big profits, people think gaming should just be for them and forget bout the big picture and PC gamers are especially bad for this on this board.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.razgriz_101

With comments like these, no wonder Publishers thinks console gamers are as smart as a loaf of bread.

Try reading the article, champ.

its the general attitude how PC gamers somehow think they are more superior and somehow are more brainy because they game on PC. Thatss why people rag on the few PC gamers on here your no better than anyone sit down just because you've thrown more cash at something doesnt make you any more of a gamer, games are becoming more streamlined in favour of acessibility its a massive market and publishers want to tap in and reap big profits, people think gaming should just be for them and forget bout the big picture and PC gamers are especially bad for this on this board.

Publishers call you all bunch of idiots,

Clearly PC gamers are at fault,

clearly.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.razgriz_101

With comments like these, no wonder Publishers thinks console gamers are as smart as a loaf of bread.

Try reading the article, champ.

its the general attitude how PC gamers somehow think they are more superior and somehow are more brainy because they game on PC. Thatss why people rag on the few PC gamers on here your no better than anyone sit down just because you've thrown more cash at something doesnt make you any more of a gamer, games are becoming more streamlined in favour of acessibility its a massive market and publishers want to tap in and reap big profits, people think gaming should just be for them and forget bout the big picture and PC gamers are especially bad for this on this board.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

With comments like these, no wonder Publishers thinks console gamers are as smart as a loaf of bread.

Try reading the article, champ.

Jankarcop

its the general attitude how PC gamers somehow think they are more superior and somehow are more brainy because they game on PC. Thatss why people rag on the few PC gamers on here your no better than anyone sit down just because you've thrown more cash at something doesnt make you any more of a gamer, games are becoming more streamlined in favour of acessibility its a massive market and publishers want to tap in and reap big profits, people think gaming should just be for them and forget bout the big picture and PC gamers are especially bad for this on this board.

Publishers call you all bunch of idiots,

Clearly PC gamers are at fault,

clearly.

Neglecting to read the article and proceeding off tangent, to accuse Hermits of the usual crap, certainly does'nt help his cause ;)

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]well..he/she wasn't exactly wrong with the statement. The game he described sounded alot like the old school rainbow six games and the SWAT series..games that in this day and age would do horrible on consoles because of the punishing trial and error.turtlethetaffer

I tihnk a more accurate statement would be that "console gamers don't like something that complex." Saying they're too dumb to figure it out is jsut low.

That publisher wasn't exactly wrong when sayin gthat.

I hope Allen he gets his funding though.

Jankarcop

yep they're wrong anything catering to noobs=bad

noobs will be pros...one day no sense in watering down the game just so they can start out easier.

instant gratification ruined video games and everything.

I kind of agree the average I.Q. of console gamers is lower than my cat's.SamiRDuran

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Did OP forget that the original Rainbow Six and Rouge Squad were on the PS1? Oh yeah, Ghost Recon (the original) was on the PS2 and Xbox and Gamecube.

Ever think that maybe game development costs got high the little niche communites couldn't support the developers anymore? The guy has to take donations just to convince a publishers, and he's going to squeak by. That's how tiny the audience is in relation to the rest of gaming.

Sure, maybe now that PC gaming has more than quardupled in size there is enough people to make a tactical shooter, but not a few years ago.

AdrianWerner

And it's not that console gamers are to dumb to play RainbowSix, they just prefer simple shooters.

Congrats, you just won the thread. And while I did enjoy Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield on the PC, I also think it's not a game many poeple would enjoy (too hard).

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.lawlessx

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

With comments like these, no wonder Publishers thinks console gamers are as smart as a loaf of bread.

Try reading the article, champ.

Jankarcop

its the general attitude how PC gamers somehow think they are more superior and somehow are more brainy because they game on PC. Thatss why people rag on the few PC gamers on here your no better than anyone sit down just because you've thrown more cash at something doesnt make you any more of a gamer, games are becoming more streamlined in favour of acessibility its a massive market and publishers want to tap in and reap big profits, people think gaming should just be for them and forget bout the big picture and PC gamers are especially bad for this on this board.

Publishers call you all bunch of idiots,

Clearly PC gamers are at fault,

clearly.

^ Pretty much.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.tomarlyn

So game publishers are the "PC community".

:lol:

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.Jankarcop

So game publishers are the "PC community".

:lol:

The game was successful enough that they released Rogue Spear on the Dreamcast later in the same year.AcidSoldner

So? It wasn't as successful as PC version and nowhere near as successful as later dumbed down versions of RainbowSix for consoles were

Ghost Recon the Xbox still had the same "one-shot-kill" gameplay as it's PC counterpart, nothing was removed or dumbed down so I have no idea where you're pulling that from. The reason it was more successful on Xbox was it's improved AI, interface, and extensive support for Xbox Live which was relatively new at the time.

I understand that PC is your preferred platorm, that's all fine and dandy, but give credit where credit is due.

AcidSoldner

The slight changes in gameplay is what I've heard from one of the interviews, but it was so long ago that I can't remember where it was. THis doesn't matter though. you can't deny that Xbox version was dumbed down compared to PC one, even if solely because they limited the number of teams you took into the mission from 3 on PC to 2 on XBox. Now, it wasn't a huge change, but already there was one.

Also..the fact is simple: the more they dumbed down those franchises, the more they sold on consoles

Apparently I had a PhD a decade or so ago, to enable me to play SWAT and Ghost Recon, Island Thunder etc.

Here's a hint : those games weren't that hard

About the same as R6Vegas 1 & 2 really

I probably died more to lambent doggies in Gears 2 than I did in SWAT

Brilliant move insulting possible fans. Really, brilliant.

ZombieKiller7

"The pitch hasn't gone so well." :lol:ispeakfact

'Console Gamers are literally too stupid for something'

:lol::lol::lol:Legendary! I wonder which publisher it was!

PS The Pumpkins ARE CLASSIC ROCK CHUMP

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]"The pitch hasn't gone so well." :lol:vtoshkatur

'Console Gamers are literally too stupid for something'

:lol::lol::lol:Legendary! I wonder which publisher it was!

PS The Pumpkins ARE CLASSIC ROCK CHUMP

Probably activision lol

With BS comments like that no wonder everybody hates the PC community.tomarlyn

With zero reading comprehension like this no wonder publishers say stuff like that