Console graphics debate over..

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

There shouldnt be console graphic debates. Its a known fact 360 and PS3 have the same capabilities. Its also a fact Wii is far weaker and PC far more powerfull. I dont get why is this so hard to accept!! :|

PAL360

No, it's not a known fact. Untill I see the 360 start doing the things that PS3 has BEEN doing (Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III) and at the same consistant rate, the 360 is NOT on the same level. I wish you lems would stop making crap up.

Well, it is. Its also a known fact Sony fanboys dont accept it....

PS3 does have the best looking exclusives at the moment (2, to be more precise in a lineup of hundreds of games). 360 had the best looking games when Gears1 and Gears2 (according to some critics) came out. Its pretty obvious 360 first party devs have other priorities than graphics like more open games, coop, splitscreen, etc. Anyway, it will change soo with games like Alan Wake and Reach.

Its sad that most 360 owners accept both consoles are identicle but PS3 only owners have to claim PS3 is far more powerfull. I call it arrogance :?

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

No, it's not a known fact. Untill I see the 360 start doing the things that PS3 has BEEN doing (Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III) and at the same consistant rate, the 360 is NOT on the same level. I wish you lems would stop making crap up.

sayonara89

Well, it is. Its also a known fact Sony fanboys dont accept it....

PS3 does have the best looking exclusives at the moment (2, to be more precise in a lineup of hundreds of games). 360 had the best looking games when Gears1 and Gears2 (according to some critics) came out. Its pretty obvious 360 first party devs have other priorities than graphics like more open games, coop, splitscreen, etc. Anyway, it will change soo with games like Alan Wake and Reach.

Its sad that most 360 owners accept both consoles are identicle but PS3 only owners have to claim PS3 is far more powerfull. I call it arrogance :?

Sure man, except Gears1, Gears2, RE5, AC, AC2, Farcry2, Masseffect2, etc...

Xbox360 Mass Effect2 REAL TIME GAMEPLAY

marcos27pr

Split screen? Co op? Online I can agree with.. but split screen I haven't played for the last 15 years. To me it's obsolete.

[QUOTE="marcos27pr"]

Xbox360 Mass Effect2 REAL TIME GAMEPLAY

nethernova

there are no pre-rendered cutscenes featuring your character in ME2... it would be impossible since everybody can make their own custom appearance, but it doesn't look like you've played the game

Meh, those don't look like screens I can trust. Until I see a game on 360 that looks better than Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, it's hardware capabilities will always be inferior. Hopefully it'll prove me wrong in the near future, but for over a year now all I've been seeing is graphically superior PS3 exclusives.

Meh, those don't look like screens I can trust. Until I see a game on 360 that looks better than Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, it's hardware capabilities will always be inferior. Hopefully it'll prove me wrong in the near future, but for over a year now all I've been seeing is graphically superior PS3 exclusives.

idontbeliveit

All i know is that you guys areexaggerating the difference...it is already stated,and alot of people certainly dealt with the fact that Alan Wake is equally impressive as UC2.I havent played the game my self but previews said this,even some guys who played the latest build (on their official forums) said the game is even more polished,especially facial animation and animation in general.

Meh, those don't look like screens I can trust. Until I see a game on 360 that looks better than Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, it's hardware capabilities will always be inferior. Hopefully it'll prove me wrong in the near future, but for over a year now all I've been seeing is graphically superior PS3 exclusives.

idontbeliveit

oooooooooook here's a videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9moSglijdw

(spoilers after the 3 minute mark)

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Meh, those don't look like screens I can trust. Until I see a game on 360 that looks better than Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, it's hardware capabilities will always be inferior. Hopefully it'll prove me wrong in the near future, but for over a year now all I've been seeing is graphically superior PS3 exclusives.

Bus-A-Bus

All i know is that you guys areexaggerating the difference...it is already stated,and alot of people certainly dealt with the fact that Alan Wake is equally impressive as UC2.I havent played the game my self but previews said this,even some guys who played the latest build (on their official forums) said the game is even more polished,especially facial animation and animation in general.

I go by what I've played, and I say that Alan Wake has A LOT to do to beat or even equal Uncharted 2 in both facial and body animations because they're superb in Uncharted 2.

There shouldnt be console graphic debates. Its a known fact 360 and PS3 have the same capabilities. Its also a fact Wii is far weaker and PC far more powerfull. I dont get why is this so hard to accept!! :|

PAL360

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

There shouldnt be console graphic debates. Its a known fact 360 and PS3 have the same capabilities. Its also a fact Wii is far weaker and PC far more powerfull. I dont get why is this so hard to accept!! :|

yworry69

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

No, it's not a known fact. Untill I see the 360 start doing the things that PS3 has BEEN doing (Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III) and at the same consistant rate, the 360 is NOT on the same level. I wish you lems would stop making crap up.

sayonara89

Well, it is. Its also a known fact Sony fanboys dont accept it....

PS3 does have the best looking exclusives at the moment (2, to be more precise in a lineup of hundreds of games). 360 had the best looking games when Gears1 and Gears2 (according to some critics) came out. Its pretty obvious 360 first party devs have other priorities than graphics like more open games, coop, splitscreen, etc. Anyway, it will change soo with games like Alan Wake and Reach.

Its sad that most 360 owners accept both consoles are identicle but PS3 only owners have to claim PS3 is far more powerfull. I call it arrogance :?

Um no it doesnt. Not even UC2.

I would call Killzone 2 graphics king (Consoles) now that blew me away.

But as far as 360 goes, ME2, Alan wake look on par or even better than the other games.

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Revan_911"]Pre-rendered.sayonara89

Look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zlCqNNP8qI&hd=1 (probably from 2006) and final game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGxyxOY8d5g&feature=related

Beside Nomad character (wich can't be seen in the game) those screenshots looks average IMO.

My Crysis looks better then the "supposed" pre rendered footage, (showing off the DX9 vs DX10). But yeah, thats after mods. So your arguement is still valid. The Crysis 2 screenshots will probably look like that on consoles, minus the high res nomad model, and AA / Res.

Show me in-game, in-motion video on a console, then get back to me.

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Meh, those don't look like screens I can trust. Until I see a game on 360 that looks better than Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, it's hardware capabilities will always be inferior. Hopefully it'll prove me wrong in the near future, but for over a year now all I've been seeing is graphically superior PS3 exclusives.

88mphSlayer

oooooooooook here's a videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9moSglijdw

(spoilers after the 3 minute mark)

I really didn't want to get into this, but I was watching your video andShepard even in the cut-sceenlooks nothing like the picture that's posted in this thread. And those animations are laugable in comparison to what Uncharted 2 is doing, .

Something tells me you haven't played either Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 if you're posting that video

Here is what Unchared 2 looks like in a cut-sceen to be compaired what what the other guy'scut-sceen pic posted in this thread, don't worry there's no PC version to get confused with here.

and just for kicks here's actual gameplay

and here is a video:

*edit* spoilers spoilers spoilers (:P but fanboys won't mind cause they won't play it anyway)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIKIRKHBoXU&feature=related

@above

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are pre rendered.Not to take anything from game,it absolutely beautiful but cutscenes are indeed pre rendered.

@above

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are pre rendered.Not to take anything from game,it absolutely beautiful but cutscenes are indeed pre rendered.

Bus-A-Bus

:) then you haven't played uncahrted 2 sorry.

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are NOT pre-rendered!!

If you did you're know there are several instances where cutsceens move directly into gameplay, so semlessly infact that you might not even know that's it's time for you to control the character.

You could try to argue, but you should know by now that I'm not a poster who is going to say something If I can't prove it, you will just end up being someone who's is labled a fanboy who makes up false claims about games he hasn't played.

:) I'm NOT trying to do that to you, but don't say things just because other fanboys have made the same arguement in the past.And if you do presist with that calim I won't prove you wrong with some screenshot...I will do it with a video to remove all doubt.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

@above

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are pre rendered.Not to take anything from game,it absolutely beautiful but cutscenes are indeed pre rendered.

playharderfool

:) then you haven't played uncahrted 2 sorry.

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are NOT pre-rendered!!

If you did you're know there are several instances where cutsceens move directly into gameplay, so semlessly infact that you might not even know that's it's time for you to control the character.

You could try to argue, but you should know by now that I'm not a poster who is going to say something If I can't prove it, you will just end up being someone who's is labled a fanboy who makes up false claims about games he hasn't played.

:) I'm NOT trying to do that to you, but don't say things just because other fanboys have made the same arguement in the past.And if you do presist with that calim I won't prove you wrong with some screenshot...I will do it with a video to remove all doubt.

Im not telling you that is cgi.ITS NOT.They are pre rendered cut scenes running with in game assets,in engine but not in real time.I read also that ND confirmed that cutscenes have higher poly count and improved lightning.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55302&page=2

[QUOTE="marcos27pr"]

Xbox360 Mass Effect2 REAL TIME GAMEPLAY

nethernova

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

@above

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are pre rendered.Not to take anything from game,it absolutely beautiful but cutscenes are indeed pre rendered.

Bus-A-Bus

:) then you haven't played uncahrted 2 sorry.

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are NOT pre-rendered!!

If you did you're know there are several instances where cutsceens move directly into gameplay, so semlessly infact that you might not even know that's it's time for you to control the character.

You could try to argue, but you should know by now that I'm not a poster who is going to say something If I can't prove it, you will just end up being someone who's is labled a fanboy who makes up false claims about games he hasn't played.

:) I'm NOT trying to do that to you, but don't say things just because other fanboys have made the same arguement in the past.And if you do presist with that calim I won't prove you wrong with some screenshot...I will do it with a video to remove all doubt.

Im not telling you that is cgi.ITS NOT.They are pre rendered cut scenes running with in game assets,in engine but not in real time.I read also that ND confirmed that cutscenes have higher poly count and improved lightning.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55302&page=2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDyLdCVxIGM

How about this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDyLdCVxIGM

Sollet

OWNED!!

Thanks I was going to do it but you just saved me the trouble. Running to a fourm filled with xbox fanboys who also happen to be self proclaimed tech experts on PS3 donsn't help his arguement. ND said the assets are the same...and the game proves it.

He obvious didn't play the game and he still tried to argue using fanboy logic and damage control used by lemmings about Uncharted 2's graphicsin the past. Even if you payed the game for the first 10 minutes you would realize what he was saying wasn't true. It really must have been a might sigh of relief for xbox fanboys to believe that Uncharted 2 cut scenes are pre-rendered to not deal with the fact that PS3 is actually processing those graphics.

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Im not telling you that is cgi.ITS NOT.They are pre rendered cut scenes running with in game assets,in engine but not in real time.I read also that ND confirmed that cutscenes have higher poly count and improved lightning.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55302&page=2

playharderfool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDyLdCVxIGM

OWNED!!

Thanks I was going to do it but you just saved me the trouble. Running to a fourm filled with xbox fanboys who also happen to be selfproclaimed tech experts on PS3 donsn't help his arguement. ND said the assets are the same...and the game proves it.

Crysis 2 could look better than real life, but as long as the game is on the 360 cows will NEVER admit it look as good as their top exclusives. It's best to just give up this argument.

Crysis 2 could look better than real life, but as long as the game is on the 360 cows will NEVER admit it look as good as their top exclusives. It's best to just give up this argument.

RawDeal_basic

I'm not a cow but a gamer and after watching God of War 3 footage.. Crytek has alote of catching up to do regarding the PS3;)

360 exclusives can't compete with PS3 exclusives, so what do you do? You hope a multiplat is the best looking game, how predictable8)

360 exclusives can't compete with PS3 exclusives, so what do you do? You hope a multiplat is the best looking game, how predictable8)

iKINGBOBi

well you'd be surprised at the number of really good looking multiplatform games out there

people always discount 3rd parties as **** this gen, i dunno why... 3rd parties is why i loved the PS1 and PS2 :(

back then the only people who thought 3rd parties were **** and 1st parties ruled were nintendo fanboys

[QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

360 exclusives can't compete with PS3 exclusives, so what do you do? You hope a multiplat is the best looking game, how predictable8)

88mphSlayer

well you'd be surprised at the number of really good looking multiplatform games out there

people always discount 3rd parties as **** this gen, i dunno why... 3rd parties is why i loved the PS1 and PS2 :(

back then the only people who thought 3rd parties were **** and 1st parties ruled were nintendo fanboys

Yeah, the industry wouldn't be as big or have as much competition if it wasn't for 3rd parties, I agree. Some 3rd parties are just lazy though, Activision for example.

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

OWNED!!

Thanks I was going to do it but you just saved me the trouble. Running to a fourm filled with xbox fanboys who also happen to be selfproclaimed tech experts on PS3 donsn't help his arguement. ND said the assets are the same...and the game proves it.

Let me see...two cows attacking me for saying cut scenes are pre rendered...lol.I never said the game does not look amazing,in fact its to me by far the best looking game on console.But it seems to me that you two Einsteins dont know definition of pre render.It means that they "recorded" before and its not running in real time.THEY ARE USING IN GAME ASSETS BUT NOT IN REAL TIME.Cutscenes in-engine footage is rendered once and then put on the disc. When playing the game the footage will be rendered by the game engine again allowing for enhanced graphical quality of the cutscene.Playharderfool,you are the one who bashed Halo Reach having pre rendered cutscenes...and you showed there quite "knowledge" of pre rendered but here you are trying to somehow hide it.

Again,you two calling me a lemming just because i said its pre rendered,not cgiis really pathetic and just shows how you guys cant take any "criticism" even if its not...

As ol saying says,the proof is in the puding,well here is your puding ;)

Cutscene...

Here is also video for you...0:50...look at Chloes face in this scene,and then the scene after.You cant be serious to say that they are the same because they are not,neither is Nathan the same as scene after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugfeyZFohxs

I have already provided you a beyond3d link that confirms that it is pre rendered.Its not CGI,but its not real time either ;)

There shouldnt be console graphic debates. Its a known fact 360 and PS3 have the same capabilities. Its also a fact Wii is far weaker and PC far more powerfull. I dont get why is this so hard to accept!! :|

PAL360

Eh, graphical debates aren't usually about which console has the better hardware, it is about which game is the best looking.

Because the HD twins are so close in terms of hardware, it's is because of that reason especially why there are so many discussions.

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Reach is alot more than just a beautifull game. It may not look as good as Killzone2 or U2 but its technically more impressive. As i said in the other thread, i would love to see PS3 running KZ2 or U2 engines with open world environments, dozens of AIs, vehiclas, splitscreen coop, etc... It would be funny!!!

PAL360

I know, amd looks amazing. Still its no sandbox and dont have splitscreen. Thats my point

[QUOTE="themyth01"] those are the console ss.

nervmeister

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

OWNED!!

Thanks I was going to do it but you just saved me the trouble. Running to a fourm filled with xbox fanboys who also happen to be selfproclaimed tech experts on PS3 donsn't help his arguement. ND said the assets are the same...and the game proves it.

Let me see...two cows attacking me for saying cut scenes are pre rendered...lol.I never said the game does not look amazing,in fact its to me by far the best looking game on console.But it seems to me that you two Einsteins dont know definition of pre render.It means that they "recorded" before and its not running in real time.THEY ARE USING IN GAME ASSETS BUT NOT IN REAL TIME.Cutscenes in-engine footage is rendered once and then put on the disc. When playing the game the footage will be rendered by the game engine again allowing for enhanced graphical quality of the cutscene.Playharderfool,you are the one who bashed Halo Reach having pre rendered cutscenes...and you showed there quite "knowledge" of pre rendered but here you are trying to somehow hide it.

Again,you two calling me a lemming just because i said its pre rendered,not cgiis really pathetic and just shows how you guys cant take any "criticism" even if its not...

As ol saying says,the proof is in the puding,well here is your puding ;)

Cutscene...

Here is also video for you...0:50...look at Chloes face in this scene,and then the scene after.You cant be serious to say that they are the same because they are not,neither is Nathan the same as scene after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugfeyZFohxs

I have already provided you a beyond3d link that confirms that it is pre rendered.Its not CGI,but its not real time either ;)

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="Sollet"] No worries, satements such as his usually comes from the type that hasn't even touched the game.Sollet

Im sorry,i apologies.You are not a cow,its just that i was called a lemm just by saying that its not running in real time,even though i think its the single best looking game on consoles,at least for now.Even though that should be compliment for ND for making game where is so hard to see the difference ;)

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Im sorry,i apologies.You are not a cow,its just that i was called a lemm just by saying that its not running in real time,even though i think its the single best looking game on consoles,at least for now.Even though that should be compliment for ND for making game where is so hard to see the difference ;)

Why do you guys always do this? We havn't even seen this game in motion yet (tech demos dont count) and you're already calling it console graphics king. Xbox fanboys try so hard to have there game's be equal with the ps3 graphics and each and everytime they are dissapointed. First MGS4, then Killzone 2, then Uncharted 2, and now GOW 3. It's been over for a long time but you guys still want to hold on to this dillusion. Fanboys always scream how "graphics don't matter its all about gameplay!!!" But in every forum there talking about graphics. Now you guys arn't even bragging about exclusives anymore you've switched to hyping multiplatform games as graphics king... It's kind of sad. Let's just face it PS3 will always be superior in graphics, wether it's because the hardware is better or the developers are better it's irrelevant. The 360 isn't competing in this area.

Xbox has some fantastic games this year why not focus on how great those will be and forget about graphics. Cause This...

and this...

HAVE NO COMPETITION right now...

Oh and to the people who claim that the picture of drake's face is a bullshot or just good because of the cutscene...um No. The devlopers have stated many times that they use the exact same charachter model of drake for the cutscenes and gameplay. There might be more AA added, but everything else is the same.

/THREAD

There shouldnt be console graphic debates. Its a known fact 360 and PS3 have the same capabilities. Its also a fact Wii is far weaker and PC far more powerfull. I dont get why is this so hard to accept!! :|

PAL360

On topic. Please TC dont tell me you actually think the game will look like those bullshots.

Screenshots:

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_04.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_03.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_06.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_05.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_10.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_09.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_11.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_12.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_14.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_15.jpg

Graphics king? LOL, only last screenshot looks nice, rest is average.

Screenshots:

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_04.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_03.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_06.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_05.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_10.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_09.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_11.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_12.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_14.jpg

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis2_wip_screen_15.jpg

Graphics king? LOL, only last screenshot looks nice, rest is average.

sayonara89

You do realize that its confirmed pre alpha?And i wouldnt say those are from PC...anyone doubting that Crysis 2 is going to become new gfx king is in big denial.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

@above

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are pre rendered.Not to take anything from game,it absolutely beautiful but cutscenes are indeed pre rendered.

Bus-A-Bus

:) then you haven't played uncahrted 2 sorry.

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are NOT pre-rendered!!

If you did you're know there are several instances where cutsceens move directly into gameplay, so semlessly infact that you might not even know that's it's time for you to control the character.

You could try to argue, but you should know by now that I'm not a poster who is going to say something If I can't prove it, you will just end up being someone who's is labled a fanboy who makes up false claims about games he hasn't played.

:) I'm NOT trying to do that to you, but don't say things just because other fanboys have made the same arguement in the past.And if you do presist with that calim I won't prove you wrong with some screenshot...I will do it with a video to remove all doubt.

Im not telling you that is cgi.ITS NOT.They are pre rendered cut scenes running with in game assets,in engine but not in real time.I read also that ND confirmed that cutscenes have higher poly count and improved lightning.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55302&page=2

Where it's confirmed? You should read this:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1369778&postcount=839

"our lod's were originally hand modeled.. it was annoying.. we then went with an automatic PM solution which is what you see in game.. Drake however never gets LOD.. except for multiplayer.. but single player is the high resolution model the whole time.. same model that is in the cinematics."

So you're prophet or something? You know that C2 will be the graphics king on consoles? LOL, now we have screenshots and game looks nowhere near graphics king on them.sayonara89

Are you blind?I said its going to be graphics king,didnt say anything about consoles(even if i think that it will be gfx also on console).They have the best technology and probably most talented developers in the world,i dont believe they will fail...after all they said it hundred times that they will deliver best possible gfx physics and a.i on consoles...also,preview who played it on console stated that it looks like game pushing boundaries on all systems...

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

:) then you haven't played uncahrted 2 sorry.

Uncharted 2 cut scenes are NOT pre-rendered!!

If you did you're know there are several instances where cutsceens move directly into gameplay, so semlessly infact that you might not even know that's it's time for you to control the character.

You could try to argue, but you should know by now that I'm not a poster who is going to say something If I can't prove it, you will just end up being someone who's is labled a fanboy who makes up false claims about games he hasn't played.

:) I'm NOT trying to do that to you, but don't say things just because other fanboys have made the same arguement in the past.And if you do presist with that calim I won't prove you wrong with some screenshot...I will do it with a video to remove all doubt.

sayonara89

Im not telling you that is cgi.ITS NOT.They are pre rendered cut scenes running with in game assets,in engine but not in real time.I read also that ND confirmed that cutscenes have higher poly count and improved lightning.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55302&page=2

Where it's confirmed? You should read this:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1369778&postcount=839

"our lod's were originally hand modeled.. it was annoying.. we then went with an automatic PM solution which is what you see in game.. Drake however never gets LOD.. except for multiplayer.. but single player is the high resolution model the whole time.. same model that is in the cinematics."

http://www.psu.com/PSU-talks-Uncharted-with-Naughty-Dog-Co-Vice-President--a0001851-p1.php0

They said it about drakes fortune...but read the link above...

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55302&page=2

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]So you're prophet or something? You know that C2 will be the graphics king on consoles? LOL, now we have screenshots and game looks nowhere near graphics king on them.Bus-A-Bus

Are you blind?I said its going to be graphics king,didnt say anything about consoles(even if i think that it will be gfx also on console).They have the best technology and probably most talented developers in the world,i dont believe they will fail...after all they said it hundred times that they will deliver best possible gfx physics and a.i on consoles...also,preview who played it on console stated that it looks like game pushing boundaries on all systems...

WOW, they created 3 great looking but unoptimized games on PC, thet HAVE TO prove themselves on consoles where optimization is everything to be consider among the best tech developers...

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Im not telling you that is cgi.ITS NOT.They are pre rendered cut scenes running with in game assets,in engine but not in real time.I read also that ND confirmed that cutscenes have higher poly count and improved lightning.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55302&page=2

Bus-A-Bus

Where it's confirmed? You should read this:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1369778&postcount=839

"our lod's were originally hand modeled.. it was annoying.. we then went with an automatic PM solution which is what you see in game.. Drake however never gets LOD.. except for multiplayer.. but single player is the high resolution model the whole time.. same model that is in the cinematics."

http://www.psu.com/PSU-talks-Uncharted-with-Naughty-Dog-Co-Vice-President--a0001851-p1.php0

They said it about drakes fortune...but read the link above...

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55302&page=2

I still don't see anything like "we used better lighting in cutscenes". Find me something like that and quote.

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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]So you're prophet or something? You know that C2 will be the graphics king on consoles? LOL, now we have screenshots and game looks nowhere near graphics king on them.sayonara89

Are you blind?I said its going to be graphics king,didnt say anything about consoles(even if i think that it will be gfx also on console).They have the best technology and probably most talented developers in the world,i dont believe they will fail...after all they said it hundred times that they will deliver best possible gfx physics and a.i on consoles...also,preview who played it on console stated that it looks like game pushing boundaries on all systems...

WOW, they created 3 great looking but unoptimized games on PC, thet HAVE TO prove themselves on consoles where optimization is everything to be consider among the best tech developers...

Im sorry but they are quite optimized,if you havent played it then dont comment it...Running on ultra,with draw distance similar to real life and hdr lightning,16xaa...of course its "unoptimized" but Crysis can be played on low end computer pretty good.

Now on that console thing...i dont know where you guys get the impression that developing for console is harder then pc...Developing on PC they have to take into account zillion combinations of hardware.On ps3 and 360,they know what they have,they know what not to do and what to do with hardware.For example they certainly wont push un culled triangles through rsx,,they will use spus to cull them.They will move some work as vertex to process on spus.They will manage memory on 360 how they need,they will use frame buffer and massive bandwidth for deferred rendering and aa...they will take advantage of unified structure and probably memexport...etc...

As you see they will know what they work with,and with that said even developer from Crytek on b3d actually said that with good use of assets,optimization of engine(they really optimized it,they dont use forward rendering but deferred),fixed hardware and pros of it they could pull of Crysis 2 on consoles to look like Crysis high on PC...

guess will have to wait and see...