Console shooters are at par with PC? (what if one can use KBM with consoles?)

(Edit: as you may notice in the title, it is a just a question and not an answer)

(EDIT BEGIN: What if one can use Keyboard and mouse on the console as well? Will some arguments change?

here is one link that I found: http://gameasylum.us/xbsmsmjoyfrk.html and I guess there exist many such things for 360, PS3 ... etc

Does this adapter look good enough?

EDIT END)

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is sub-par when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

dk_2007

If you want graphics SAME as consoles you dont have to upgrade...

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

dk_2007

HL2 does not play as good on Xbox/360 as it does on PC.

All it takes for me to disregard console shooters is autoaim, giant hitboxes, and slowed down gameplay. Play UT2k4 then go play Halo, it feels like you're playing in bullet time. poovine

Large Marge sent me...

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

True_Gamer_

If you want graphics SAME as consoles you dont have to upgrade...

when games like Fear, Bioshock and Crysis come out on PC then their (minimum to recommended) requirements need upgrading to even play them.

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

MadExponent

HL2 does not play as good on Xbox/360 as it does on PC.

Do you have some reasons for that?

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

dk_2007

If you want graphics SAME as consoles you dont have to upgrade...

when games like Fear, Bioshock and Crysis come out on PC then their (minimum to recommended) requirements need upgrading to even play them.

I don't have to upgrade my PC to play FEAR or Crysis, and my PC is more then 4 years old I think

[QUOTE="poovine"]All it takes for me to disregard console shooters is autoaim, giant hitboxes, and slowed down gameplay. Play UT2k4 then go play Halo, it feels like you're playing in bullet time. MadExponent

Large Marge sent me...

Did you say Large Marge? That's impossible. She's... It was ten years ago on a night just like tonight. Worst accident I ever seen.

All it takes for me to disregard console shooters is autoaim, giant hitboxes, and slowed down gameplay. Play UT2k4 then go play Halo, it feels like you're playing in bullet time. poovine

But shooting with a controller does need more skills than shooting with a mouse. May be thats the reason for autoaim, but its not there in every game on the consoles.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

dk_2007

HL2 does not play as good on Xbox/360 as it does on PC.

Do you have some reasons for that?

Mods, better graphics, you can use both controllers and KB&M, cheaper

[QUOTE="poovine"]All it takes for me to disregard console shooters is autoaim, giant hitboxes, and slowed down gameplay. Play UT2k4 then go play Halo, it feels like you're playing in bullet time. dk_2007

But shooting with a controller does need more skills then shooting with a mouse. May be thats the reason for autoaim, but its not there in every game on the consoles.

Just because the mouse allows for easier aiming does not mean it require less skill

[QUOTE="dk_2007"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

Lonelynight

If you want graphics SAME as consoles you dont have to upgrade...

when games like Fear, Bioshock and Crysis come out on PC then their (minimum to recommended) requirements need upgrading to even play them.

I don't have to upgrade my PC to play FEAR or Crysis, and my PC is more then 4 years old I think

FEAR itself is an old game.

Regarding Crysis: Is your PC playing Crysis with better graphics when compared to some other shooter of the Next gen consoles? I cant imagine the price of that PC when your bought it 4 years ago.

Anyway, I never said that I dont like PC.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

dk_2007

If you want graphics SAME as consoles you dont have to upgrade...

when games like Fear, Bioshock and Crysis come out on PC then their (minimum to recommended) requirements need upgrading to even play them.

Last time I checked Bioshock on the 360's settings was playable on a $500 PC...

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

Do you have some reasons for that?

Lonelynight

Mods, better graphics, you can use both controllers and KB&M, cheaper

do they come without backdoors and all?

FEAR itself is an old game.

Regarding Crysis: Is your PC playing Crysis with better graphics when compared to some other shooter of the Next gen consoles? I cant imagine the price of that PC when your bought it 4 years ago.

Anyway, I never said that I dont like PC.

dk_2007

No it isn't but I don't have to buy a new system to play it

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

Do you have some reasons for that?

dk_2007

Mods, better graphics, you can use both controllers and KB&M, cheaper

do they come without backdoors and all?

:question:

[QUOTE="poovine"]All it takes for me to disregard console shooters is autoaim, giant hitboxes, and slowed down gameplay. Play UT2k4 then go play Halo, it feels like you're playing in bullet time. dk_2007

But shooting with a controller does need more skills than shooting with a mouse. May be thats the reason for autoaim, but its not there in every game on the consoles.

I get the feeling you haven't played a PC FPS competitively. Trust me...using a mouse requires way more skill at higher levels. Play UT or CS. Or better yet if you can play TF2 on both 360 and the PC do it. You'll notice a huge difference with the way both are played even though both games are identical.

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

[QUOTE="poovine"]All it takes for me to disregard console shooters is autoaim, giant hitboxes, and slowed down gameplay. Play UT2k4 then go play Halo, it feels like you're playing in bullet time. Lonelynight

But shooting with a controller does need more skills then shooting with a mouse. May be thats the reason for autoaim, but its not there in every game on the consoles.

Just because the mouse allows for easier aiming does not mean it require less skill

I am not talking about gameplay. I am saying that aiming takes less skill with a mouse.

Nevertheless, multiplayer on PC requires more skills for exactly the same reason as the opponents can take head shots easily.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

[QUOTE="poovine"]All it takes for me to disregard console shooters is autoaim, giant hitboxes, and slowed down gameplay. Play UT2k4 then go play Halo, it feels like you're playing in bullet time. dk_2007

But shooting with a controller does need more skills then shooting with a mouse. May be thats the reason for autoaim, but its not there in every game on the consoles.

Just because the mouse allows for easier aiming does not mean it require less skill

I am not talking about gameplay. I am saying that aiming takes less skill with a mouse.

Nevertheless, multiplayer on PC requires more skills for exactly the same reason as the opponents can take head shots easily.

And I'm saying it does not take less skill

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

Do you have some reasons for that?

dk_2007

Mods, better graphics, you can use both controllers and KB&M, cheaper

do they come without backdoors and all?

Que?

I am not talking about gameplay. I am saying that aiming takes less skill with a mouse. Nevertheless, multiplayer on PC requires more skills for exactly the same reason as the opponents can take head shots easily.dk_2007

[QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

dk_2007

HL2 does not play as good on Xbox/360 as it does on PC.

Do you have some reasons for that?

The controller. It does not offer a good FPS experience. My console fanboy friends of mine agree completely and they love the Halo games.

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]I am not talking about gameplay. I am saying that aiming takes less skill with a mouse. Nevertheless, multiplayer on PC requires more skills for exactly the same reason as the opponents can take head shots easily.Vandalvideo

How do you calculate?

[QUOTE="dk_2007"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

Do you have some reasons for that?

Lonelynight

Mods, better graphics, you can use both controllers and KB&M, cheaper

do they come without backdoors and all?

:question:

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

Shooter's are always better on the PC, Fact

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]I am not talking about gameplay. I am saying that aiming takes less skill with a mouse. Nevertheless, multiplayer on PC requires more skills for exactly the same reason as the opponents can take head shots easily.Lonelynight

How do you calculate?

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

dk_2007

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

Do you have some reasons for that?

dk_2007

Mods, better graphics, you can use both controllers and KB&M, cheaper

do they come without backdoors and all?

:question:

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

Wow...

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]I am not talking about gameplay. I am saying that aiming takes less skill with a mouse. Nevertheless, multiplayer on PC requires more skills for exactly the same reason as the opponents can take head shots easily.Vandalvideo

Not to mention:

-Faster gameplay (Moving targets much harder to hit)

-Small reticals compared to console FPS (You don't have the luxury of a giant circle to point at your enemies head)

-Fast on the fly weapon switching

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]I am not talking about gameplay. I am saying that aiming takes less skill with a mouse. Nevertheless, multiplayer on PC requires more skills for exactly the same reason as the opponents can take head shots easily.Vandalvideo

I already said in the earlier post that multiplayer changes my point.

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

Lonelynight

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

No. But, I trust very few things because I just have 1 PC to do everything including work etc. This is the reason I use Linux.

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

Lonelynight

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

dk_2007

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

No. But, I trust very few things because I just have 1 PC to do everything including work etc. This is the reason I use Linux.

You cant get viruses unless you physically execute the exe to put them on your computer. Most mods consist of texture/scripting replacement, which makes them virus free on account of the fact they contain no .exe code.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

dk_2007

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

No. But, I trust very few things because I just have 1 PC to do everything including work etc. This is the reason I use Linux.

And Half Life 2 use steam

G2G.

Guys, thanks for your replies.

I will reply more from home.

Personally I hate FPS games on console but that could just be me.

People who upgrade to slightly more expensive piece of hardware have themselves to blame. They should save their money and get decent hardware instead of bit upgrading all the time.

[QUOTE="dk_2007"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

Cali3350

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

No. But, I trust very few things because I just have 1 PC to do everything including work etc. This is the reason I use Linux.

You cant get viruses unless you physically execute the exe to put them on your computer. Most mods consist of texture/scripting replacement, which makes them virus free on account of the fact they contain no .exe code.

Unless somebody can exploit bad programming in the original game.exe using the mod.

[QUOTE="Cali3350"][QUOTE="dk_2007"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

dk_2007

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

No. But, I trust very few things because I just have 1 PC to do everything including work etc. This is the reason I use Linux.

You cant get viruses unless you physically execute the exe to put them on your computer. Most mods consist of texture/scripting replacement, which makes them virus free on account of the fact they contain no .exe code.

Unless somebody can exploit bad programming in the original game.exe using the mod.

No...no. You cant exploit a executable without having SOMETHING THERE to use the exploit. Since mods are textures and scripts....theres nothing to exploit.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

dk_2007

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

No. But, I trust very few things because I just have 1 PC to do everything including work etc. This is the reason I use Linux.

You are paranoid for no reason. Sure there are bugs out there and backdoor apps and whatnot, but you can avoid them pretty darn easy without resorting to punishing yourself by using Linux. I have never had a need for a virus scanner cause I know how to avoid viruses. Its not like I shy away from the places where you could get viruses either. Linux is a fun OS if you like to toy around with other operating systems, but to use it just simply cause you are worried about getting a virus or a trojan or something is just nuts.

All it takes for me to disregard console shooters is autoaim, giant hitboxes, and slowed down gameplay. Play UT2k4 then go play Halo, it feels like you're playing in bullet time. poovine

1. The Majority of Console shooters are still capped at 16 Players.
2. Consoles shooters still don't have Map Creation tools standard.
3. Console shooters for the majority still aren't running at 60FPS.
4. Console shooters still don't have mods.
5. The mouse is still a superior tool for shooters

• Accuracy
• Precion
• Speed

Seriously I have no problem with Forge or Saved Films but when people show grand excitement over these things that have existed since forever on PC then yeah you know its not on par with PC.

[QUOTE="dk_2007"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dk_2007"]

I was asking that can they include backdoors or hidden viruses? As some mods may not come from trusted developers.

MadExponent

:| where do you go looking for mods? Porn infested sites?

No. But, I trust very few things because I just have 1 PC to do everything including work etc. This is the reason I use Linux.

You are paranoid for no reason. Sure there are bugs out there and backdoor apps and whatnot, but you can avoid them pretty darn easy without resorting to punishing yourself by using Linux. I have never had a need for a virus scanner cause I know how to avoid viruses. Its not like I shy away from the places where you could get viruses either. Linux is a fun OS if you like to toy around with other operating systems, but to use it just simply cause you are worried about getting a virus or a trojan or something is just nuts.

first time i have seen a linux user who's uneducated about how viruses work oO, using Linux takes much more skill and knowlodge then windows ever will, where you got that idea from anyway?

first time i have seen a linux user who's uneducated about how viruses work oO, using Linux takes much more skill and knowlodge then windows ever will, where you got that idea from anyway?

Mizarus

I know how virus works but problem is that I dont know how game mods work in detail. I have this idea that one may embed code in textures or scripts and use some techniques like buffer overflow (old) to run that code using the original.exe.

[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

some of my arguments:

Gears of War shows that a Console shooter is an AAA material even after "1 years".

So what if there is a small decrement in the score? When HL2 got released after sometime on XBOX, it got 8.3 and that doesn't mean that HL2 is subpar when compared to other shooters on the consoles.

Before somebody points out at the lack of multiplayer on HL2-XBOX, I would like to say that many games like Bioshock are there that are AAA without the multiplayer. Thus, it is not an excuse for HL2 falling from AAA to AA on XBOX. Again lower graphics are not an excuse because at that time it looked great on XBOX when compared to other games of that time.

Though PC graphics are better of course and I like PC, but am fed up of updating the hardware. I also find windows as boring (But, I dont hate it).

I use Linux for everything including games.

MadExponent

HL2 does not play as good on Xbox/360 as it does on PC.

I didn't see an IMO in there :|

Edit: I said it once and i'll say it again, i'd kill to get your rig :o

You are paranoid for no reason. Sure there are bugs out there and backdoor apps and whatnot, but you can avoid them pretty darn easy without resorting to punishing yourself by using Linux. I have never had a need for a virus scanner cause I know how to avoid viruses. Its not like I shy away from the places where you could get viruses either. Linux is a fun OS if you like to toy around with other operating systems, but to use it just simply cause you are worried about getting a virus or a trojan or something is just nuts.

MadExponent

I already said that another reason to use Linux is that I find Windows as boring.