Console Vs. PC, The Showdown: Fight!

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Me, I'm just a bit older & lazier and feel comfy on a console these days and so far this gen the 360 has been delivering the goods.

Very good read IMHO and good points are made for each so have at it.

How about you, Choose your weapon; PC or Console gaming ?

The Story.

Microsoft and Sony will not make another console, predicts Alex St. John. The CEO and founder of WildTangent, and former Microsoft game evangelist, forecasted the death of the video game console as we know it in a debate, titled "Is the Console Entertainment the Hub of the Future or Fighting to Stay Alive?" at the New York Games Conference.

St John's opponents in the debate (which was carried out in a formalized format) were Justin Townsend, CEO and co-founder of IGA Worldwide and Robert Stevenson, vice president of worldwide publishing at Atari Group, who both proposed that the video game console is and will continue to be the hub of entertainment.

Alongside St. John defending a shift toward using PCs as the electronic powerhouse in the living room, was John Welch, CEO and co-founder of PlayFirst. Mike Vorhaus, president of Magid Advisors, moderated the debate.

St. John claims that Sony has announced it will not make a new console for 10 years. He also says that when asking representatives at Sony and Microsoft who is the head of the next console development, they will not name a name.

The major reason neither Sony nor Microsoft will make another console, according to St. John, is because the business does not make financial sense. It's not news to anyone in the game industry that current generation hardware is sold at a loss to the company.

And at Microsoft, that business model is unlikely to float any longer now that Bill Gates has retired and Steve Ballmer -- whom St. John calls "a money guy" -- is leading the company. Consoles just aren't profitable, he says, and the motive to repeat those failures just isn't there.

On the other hand, Townsend and Stevenson argue that the install base is already there. With millions of Xbox 360s and PlayStation 3s already hooked up in people's homes, it already is an immovable element of the modern living room. Game consoles will drive the high-definition entertainment experience, says Stevenson.

One of Townsend's points is that a consumer is able to put together a fairly grand entertainment set-up on about $1,500 with a large screen, HD television set, a handful of cables, and a modern game console.

On other hand, to have a high-functioning computer, a consumer needs to spend at least $1,000, and then $1,000 every year thereafter to upgrade and maintain it.

Stevenson added that the difference between PCs and game consoles is, "A console doesn't need to be connected to be very powerful... For the PC, a lot of what people are doing these days relies on connectivity."

John Welch, St. John's proponent in the debate, pointed to another important building block: developers. Welch previously worked on the Dreamcast network, and while doing so, read and studied how Sony, which was historically an electronics company, became a successful force in the video game business.

What he found was that Sony courted great developers. The developers then provided great content, and that's what made the business successful.

Welch says there is value in having independent developers make innovative software. Looking forward, there's more room for those kinds of developers to succeed in the online and PC space than in the console space, he says.

Welch's assertion seems, at first glance, to overlook initiatives such as the XNA Creator's Club or Xbox Live Arcade. But, he says, no one buys an Xbox 360 to play Geometry Wars or Uno.

Stevenson still maintains that no other device is as well suited to provided high-def experiences as modern game consoles. The quality of the experience is unparalleled.

But St. John says consumers care less and less about graphics; graphics are not what's driving the user experience. The larger user experience is driven by social connectivity, but also other forms of entertainment, like playing music, and watching television programming and film.

"Nobody buys a console to play music. Nobody buys a console to watch movies. The only reason people buy a console is to play God of War," says St. John.

As long as those other experiences are not being provided by consoles, consumers will not buy them, he says. All the biggest movements have been online, and community-based, and says St. John, "the console doesn't add any value in that world."

The outlier in the debate was the Nintendo Wii. Stevenson and Townsend say the success of the Wii is evidence that game consoles are not only thriving, but that they are adapting to the marketplace.

St. John and Welch, on the other hand, see Nintendo as opting out of the console race. "It took five-year old hardware and innovated on the input device," says St. John.

When asked if St. John thought Nintendo would make another console in the future, he answered he wouldn't be surprised if it did.

The New York Games Conference is taking place in lower Manhattan September 25 and 26.

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One of Townsend's points is that a consumer is able to put together a fairly grand entertainment set-up on about $1,500 with a large screen, HD television set, a handful of cables, and a modern game console.

On other hand, to have a high-functioning computer, a consumer needs to spend at least $1,000, and then $1,000 every year thereafter to upgrade and maintain it.

Wtf lol! Well it's finally out guys! To get the most out of a console you need to spend 1,500 dollars!

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One of Townsend's points is that a consumer is able to put together a fairly grand entertainment set-up on about $1,500 with a large screen, HD television set, a handful of cables, and a modern game console.

On other hand, to have a high-functioning computer, a consumer needs to spend at least $1,000, and then $1,000 every year thereafter to upgrade and maintain it.

Wtf lol! Well it's finally out guys! To get the most out of a console you need to spend 1,500 dollars!

Espada12

I spent more than that if you include the TV and everything else as part of the same package, and who spends a grand a year upgrading their PC? Im sure you could but it can't be necessary.

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i quickly brushed over it.

He has some points- true and bogus - though if you want software innovation, indeed the PC is simply far ahead.

Mostly because loads of the concept stuff can be easily made and distributed, and as publishers would put it 'riskier' game designs seem to be more accepted than the console market....

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

One of Townsend's points is that a consumer is able to put together a fairly grand entertainment set-up on about $1,500 with a large screen, HD television set, a handful of cables, and a modern game console.

On other hand, to have a high-functioning computer, a consumer needs to spend at least $1,000, and then $1,000 every year thereafter to upgrade and maintain it.

Wtf lol! Well it's finally out guys! To get the most out of a console you need to spend 1,500 dollars!

SapSacPrime

I spent more than that if you include the TV and everything else as part of the same package, and who spends a grand a year upgrading their PC? Im sure you could but it can't be necessary.

Yea I know that's why I said WTF lol to that. if the PC is going to cost 1000 bucks new, why not just buy another new one for a thousand bucks if it's going to cost you that much to upgrade? Well my PC is 2 years old now.. and I don't need ANY upgrades what so ever.. so w/e. About the console setup price, I'm just throwing that in the face of all the *PC gaming is expensive* people.It takes 1500 to get the full expierence of a console and 1k to get the full experience of a PC.

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[QUOTE="SapSacPrime"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

One of Townsend's points is that a consumer is able to put together a fairly grand entertainment set-up on about $1,500 with a large screen, HD television set, a handful of cables, and a modern game console.

On other hand, to have a high-functioning computer, a consumer needs to spend at least $1,000, and then $1,000 every year thereafter to upgrade and maintain it.

Wtf lol! Well it's finally out guys! To get the most out of a console you need to spend 1,500 dollars!

Espada12

I spent more than that if you include the TV and everything else as part of the same package, and who spends a grand a year upgrading their PC? Im sure you could but it can't be necessary.

Yea I know that's why I said WTF lol to that. if the PC is going to cost 1000 bucks new, why not just buy another new one for a thousand bucks if it's going to cost you that much to upgrade? Well my PC is 2 years old now.. and I don't need ANY upgrades what so ever.. so w/e. About the console setup price, I'm just throwing that in the face of all the *PC gaming is expensive* people.It takes 1500 to get the full expierence of a console and 1k to get the full experience of a PC.

sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.
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sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.blackdreamhunk

Now you are getting redonkulus.

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The main limiting factor of consoles for me will always be memory.

You can always scale the graphics, but no amount of scaling will save you from game levels and game play that had to be designed with 256mb in mind.

It's the reason Far Cry had to be remade, it is the reason Crysis will have to be remade and it is the reason a PC orientated 2002 game like Morrowind had open cities; while a console orentated 2006 game like Oblivion didn't.

Memory is and will always be consoles greatest downfall, whether it be bad textures or preventing an entire area of game play from working on the systems.

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[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.Espada12

Now you are getting redonkulus.

I know my computers and parts you can get the 8800gts for like $100 or less now. I have seen them for like $89
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[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.Espada12

Now you are getting redonkulus.

Actually he has a point. Its not as if the hardware in your console(s) is actually very good. Compared to 'standard' PC gaming hardware nowadays its utterly terrible.

You get what you pay for.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.blackdreamhunk

Now you are getting redonkulus.

I know my computers and parts

Me to and if you are buying good/mid-high end parts you aren't getting any PC for 300 dollars..

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???????

console gamers dont care about PC.

Its Nintendo vs Microsoft vs Sony. There is no "PC" competitor.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.skrat_01

Now you are getting redonkulus.

Actually he has a point. Its not as if the hardware in your console(s) is actually very good. Compared to 'standard' PC gaming hardware nowadays its utterly terrible.

You get what you pay for.

Yep, but to get the full experience from a game no 300 dollar computer is going to do that.

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[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.Espada12

Now you are getting redonkulus.

I know my computers and parts

Me to and if you are buying good/mid-high end parts you aren't getting any PC for 300 dollars..

well where live in canada yes you can
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???????

console gamers dont care about PC.

Its Nintendo vs Microsoft vs Sony. There is no "PC" competitor.

-General_Ram-

These guys don't seem to think so.

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???????

console gamers dont care about PC.

Its Nintendo vs Microsoft vs Sony. There is no "PC" competitor.

-General_Ram-

PC gamers dont care about consoles.

Hence it not even being in competition too

Go figure really.

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sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.blackdreamhunk

Yes you are correct.But your 200$ PC would barely run games like FEAR or Doom 3.For gaming you always need to aim high.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.blackdreamhunk

Now you are getting redonkulus.

I know my computers and parts

Me to and if you are buying good/mid-high end parts you aren't getting any PC for 300 dollars..

well where live in canada yes you can

Well then, you must live in a dumping ground for used PC parts or something. I know my parts too. In fact, I've built 4 PC's in the last year(for myself and others). I always look for the best deals online, which are almost always better than any retail store. You're full of crap if you actually expect people to believe you can get the same experience from a 2-300 dollar PC that you can get out of a 360 or PS3. I fully agree that people blow the prioce of PC gaming out of proportion, but you sound just as ignorant as those people.

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[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry that is not true you can get a computer for $200 to $300 now that runs better than mondern console. However if you want to play crysis or a reallly high tech game. you need state of the art high tech pc.lesner87

Yes you are correct.But your 200$ PC would barely run games like FEAR or Doom 3.For gaming you always need to aim high.

Hell no.

You could do better games wise.

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nope that is brand new! I'm sure you could buy a $300 computer buy a graphics card for like 150 to $80 and your set to go to play crysis.

so around about $450,

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Metal Gear franchise was born on consoles, thus consoles win!
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Metal Gear franchise was born on consoles, thus consoles win!AgentH
yea there is nothing really new to metal gear it's old rehash game play when compared to high end pc games.

If metal was to come out pc I don't think it would sell. it would be just low end average game compared to pc high end games. GMS4 only has pretty graphics. Where as a pc game has both high end graphics,AI,physics and qauility story.

mgs4 would end up like gears of war on pc.

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Yep, but to get the full experience from a game no 300 dollar computer is going to do that.

Espada12

By "full experience" I take it you are referring to the experience that console specification enables? Because your experience is limited by the capabilities of the system; not the vision of the developers.

As I said earlier the open world experience in Oblivion was limited to accommodate console memory, Far Cry instincts had its game play altered to accommodate hardware limitations; and I really doubt the developers of MGS4 intended all those installs/loading screens to be part of the intended experience.

If you want to call this the full experience then you are getting exactly what you paid for, I understand cross platform development can make it difficult to notice the affects of console specification; but it is in every game if you just look.