Consoles are better than PCs for gaming (dollar-wise)

There isn't one PC that can perform as good as the 360.  If you believe there is post the model or all the parts along with the cost.  If it is more than $400 you phail.

To compare apples to apples you need to have a $400 PC to compare against the 360.

Yes the Keyboard and mouse make some games play a lot better (like RTS) and you may very well want to pay $2000 for a high-end PC to game on...that's great.  But don't act like it's so much better than the 360 because when you consider price, I can get 1 PS3, 1 360, 1 wii and still have $1250 left to buy games and peripherals.

discuss...

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

TheOwnerOner

I don't think so. Consoles tend to cost mroe and more and most of their stuff isn't as good as what I'm seeing comming to PC right now.

MGS4 will end up one day on PC like all the subsistence stuff. 

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

TheOwnerOner

My gaming PC cost 600 total.  I didn't know I could get a PS3 for sub 200 dollars :o

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

TheOwnerOner

No , a Great PC, with Emulation up to PS2/Xbox/gamecube alone would be the greatest library...

And the 3 Consoles cost way more than a PC ... not to mention the game and microtransaction costs xD. 

What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.Vandalvideo

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games.  So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game.  Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card.  If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

Shrapnelled

My gaming PC cost 600 total.  I didn't know I could get a PS3 for sub 200 dollars :o

$600 for a gaming PC wow,

Thats nice,

What do you have, and how much did you get it for?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.mikasa

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games.  So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game.  Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card.  If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

Meu2k7

No , a Great PC, with Emulation up to PS2/Xbox/gamecube alone would be the greatest library...

And the 3 Consoles cost way more than a PC ... not to mention the game and microtransaction costs xD. 

Really?  the most bleeding edge video card that is required to play crysis in all its glory is like $800.  That's more than the PS3 just to get a great video card.

Now if you want to compare a $400 PC to a 360...then by all means lets discuss that.  I'd be interested to see how it compares.

i say no. to really compare you would compare the cost of upgrading a pc with $400 against the 360.

because if you have a 360 you most likely already have a pc now a days. 

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

mikasa

No , a Great PC, with Emulation up to PS2/Xbox/gamecube alone would be the greatest library...

And the 3 Consoles cost way more than a PC ... not to mention the game and microtransaction costs xD. 

Really?  the most bleeding edge video card that is required to play crysis in all its glory is like $800.  That's more than the PS3 just to get a great video card.

Now if you want to compare a $400 PC to a 360...then by all means lets discuss that.  I'd be interested to see how it compares.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.Vandalvideo

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games.  So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game.  Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card.  If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

Ok, so what you're saying is crysis is not the best looking game currently because you'll play it on a sub-par PC.

So,

Lets say I have to build a new PC, from scratch,

How much would it cost to to build a PC to play Crysis.

Not including monitor.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.mikasa

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games.  So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game.  Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card.  If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

Ok, so what you're saying is crysis is not the best looking game currently because you'll play it on a sub-par PC.

What you fail to realize is that console have all the PC parts but are significantly downgraded for cost. So, while the Cell or Xenon, or Xenos, whatever M$ calls it, are very powerful CONSOLE CPUs, they are relatively the same to a Pentium 4. And for those touting the 360s R600 graphics card, it is only based on R600 architecture. The retail card if/when it comes out would be far superior to what the 360 has. As for the PS3, its graphics card is supposedly based on Gefore 7800. Its not the most greatest awsomenest leet 1337 card out there, but its enough to get the job done. Granted, gaming PCs do generally cost a lot more money, but if you play your cards right and dont rush into things, you can find one hell of a deal. Believe me, theres plenty of them out there.

So,

Lets say I have to build a new PC, from scratch,

How much would it cost to to build a PC to play Crysis.

Not including monitor.

TheOwnerOner

i say no. to really compare you would compare the cost of upgrading a pc with $400 against the 360.

because if you have a 360 you most likely already have a pc now a days. 

Ontain

My next PC will be an intel, so it's tough to upgrade my AMD box to intel without spending more than $400.  I'll need new SATA drives, RAM, Motherboard, Graphics card.  So I can probably keep my case keyboard and mouse.  What kind of dual core duo setup can I get for $400 that will compete with the 360?

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

mikasa

No , a Great PC, with Emulation up to PS2/Xbox/gamecube alone would be the greatest library...

And the 3 Consoles cost way more than a PC ... not to mention the game and microtransaction costs xD.

Really? the most bleeding edge video card that is required to play crysis in all its glory is like $800. That's more than the PS3 just to get a great video card.

Now if you want to compare a $400 PC to a 360...then by all means lets discuss that. I'd be interested to see how it compares.

800$... my BFG OC 8800 GTX cost me around 620$... you are making things. All in all, my card cost me less than a damn PS3.

Yeah, 620$ with all cost included...

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

So,

Lets say I have to build a new PC, from scratch,

How much would it cost to to build a PC to play Crysis.

Not including monitor.

Vandalvideo

So $600 bucks for a computer that'll run Crysis in full settings?

Thats a bargain.

Where are you buying this equiptment?

It really depends, to me you get more for your buck with the consoles since you can get a console with all it's components for some more of what would cost you it's GPU, or any other part and that console is gonna play you any games that will come to it even on it's last days.

One thing that's hugely overpriced for consoles are the HDD, I mean those prices are ridiculous. 

apple lets u buy a computer with up w 16gb ram 8 core cpu at 3ghz so yeah there is a system better then 360deadmeat59

how much?  If it's $400 I'll buy that right now.  Even though apple won't have any good games on it.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

So,

Lets say I have to build a new PC, from scratch,

How much would it cost to to build a PC to play Crysis.

Not including monitor.

TheOwnerOner

So $600 bucks for a computer that'll run Crysis in full settings?

Thats a bargain.

Where are you buying this equiptment?

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

So,

Lets say I have to build a new PC, from scratch,

How much would it cost to to build a PC to play Crysis.

Not including monitor.

Vandalvideo

So $600 bucks for a computer that'll run Crysis in full settings?

Thats a bargain.

Where are you buying this equiptment?

lol,

Then its not worth playing.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

So,

Lets say I have to build a new PC, from scratch,

How much would it cost to to build a PC to play Crysis.

Not including monitor.

TheOwnerOner

So $600 bucks for a computer that'll run Crysis in full settings?

Thats a bargain.

Where are you buying this equiptment?

lol,

Then its not worth playing.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

Redgarl

No , a Great PC, with Emulation up to PS2/Xbox/gamecube alone would be the greatest library...

And the 3 Consoles cost way more than a PC ... not to mention the game and microtransaction costs xD.

Really? the most bleeding edge video card that is required to play crysis in all its glory is like $800. That's more than the PS3 just to get a great video card.

Now if you want to compare a $400 PC to a 360...then by all means lets discuss that. I'd be interested to see how it compares.

800$... my BFG OC 8800 GTX cost me around 620$... you are making things. All in all, my card cost me less than a damn PS3.

Yeah, 620$ with all cost included...

How much for the other parts in your PC?  ALso isn't that one of those cards that you can run 2 cards at once?  If so, when you are dropping another $600 for another card?

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

So,

Lets say I have to build a new PC, from scratch,

How much would it cost to to build a PC to play Crysis.

Not including monitor.

Vandalvideo

So $600 bucks for a computer that'll run Crysis in full settings?

Thats a bargain.

Where are you buying this equiptment?

lol,

Then its not worth playing.

I play all my console games in full settings lol

Even if there IS a PC that is comparable to the 360 in price AND specs, the fact that I don't have to put a 360 together makes 360>>PC, at least in IMO. But I do respect PC gaming. It's just not for me.shsonline

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

So,

Lets say I have to build a new PC, from scratch,

How much would it cost to to build a PC to play Crysis.

Not including monitor.

Vandalvideo

So $600 bucks for a computer that'll run Crysis in full settings?

Thats a bargain.

Where are you buying this equiptment?

lol,

Then its not worth playing.

Wrong.  Everytime I play a game I want it to be on max settings.  I love the eye candy.  With a console every game I play is on "max settings" Because the dev has tweaked it to run for that console.  PCs even when I had a higher end machine I couldn't play some games because of bugs or had to play them on very low settings which were worse then the console.  But that's really off topic anyway. For $400 I can NOT find a PC that will run as well as the 360.

Why would you want to build a half ass PC,

with out dated equiptment,

just so you can say PC gaming is not expensive?

If I'm going to build a PC today,

It better run Crysis in full setting,

or else forget about it.

TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.Vandalvideo

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360.  Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Why would you want to build a half ass PC,

with out dated equiptment,

just so you can say PC gaming is not expensive?

If I'm going to build a PC today,

It better run Crysis in full setting,

or else forget about it.

TheOwnerOner

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.mikasa

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360.  Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.Vandalvideo

The reality is clear, the mass market consumer looking to play games will NOT look to do so on the pc for more reasons than just cost.

Consoles are better for gaming for the mass market, and it will always be that way.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.cjnwo4life

The reality is clear, the mass market consumer looking to play games will NOT look to do so on the pc for more reasons than just cost.

Consoles are better for gaming for the mass market, and it will always be that way.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.mikasa

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games. So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game. Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card. If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

That's for those who want the absolutely best looking game possible.  I have a 2 year old PC that still plays games great, and it was under 1k.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.Vandalvideo

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360.  Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.Vandalvideo

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360.  Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.mikasa

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360.  Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.psycotictaratua

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games. So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game. Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card. If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

That's for those who want the absolutely best looking game possible.  I have a 2 year old PC that still plays games great, and it was under 1k.

So only $600 more than a 360 can you can have the same performance of a 360.  Not seeing the value in that.

[QUOTE="Redgarl"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

For the price of a PC,

I can get all 3 consoles,

and have the ultimate gaming library.

mikasa

No , a Great PC, with Emulation up to PS2/Xbox/gamecube alone would be the greatest library...

And the 3 Consoles cost way more than a PC ... not to mention the game and microtransaction costs xD.

Really? the most bleeding edge video card that is required to play crysis in all its glory is like $800. That's more than the PS3 just to get a great video card.

Now if you want to compare a $400 PC to a 360...then by all means lets discuss that. I'd be interested to see how it compares.

800$... my BFG OC 8800 GTX cost me around 620$... you are making things. All in all, my card cost me less than a damn PS3.

Yeah, 620$ with all cost included...

How much for the other parts in your PC? ALso isn't that one of those cards that you can run 2 cards at once? If so, when you are dropping another $600 for another card?

Of course if you take in the bargain everything from scratch, my PC cost about 3000$ and I got stuff that most Alienware doesn't have, like a G7 and a VP930b witch still cost a lot. But for works and entertaiment, my PC brings me more bang for the bux than a PS3 or an Xbox 360.

All in all, my new PC only cost me 620$ due to the things I was already in possession. Don't lure yourself, I can play Oblivion in HD at 60 fps at my LCD resolution that is higher than your HDTV. Also, if you take EVERYTHING in context, you need an HDTV for your new console, so, the cost is even higher than mine. 

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.Vandalvideo

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360.  Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

Ok, so show me a PC that was out for $500 when the 360 launched that could run with the 360 in performance.

I have to honestly say that the TC has completely owned everyone who has tried to contest him. He has a fair point and it's okay that PC is more expensive. PC is superior to console gaming if the user wants it to be and has the money to support it. But some hermits just have to face the fact that PC isn't for everybody and it is more expensive in the longrun and not as convenient.shsonline