Consoles are better than PCs for gaming (dollar-wise)

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.mikasa

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360.  Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

Ok, so show me a PC that was out for $500 when the 360 launched that could run with the 360 in performance.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.mikasa

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games. So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game. Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card. If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

That's for those who want the absolutely best looking game possible. I have a 2 year old PC that still plays games great, and it was under 1k.

So only $600 more than a 360 can you can have the same performance of a 360. Not seeing the value in that.

A 360 with Live plus your games cost will represent more than the one of a PC. There is DX10 cards at 200$ now, there is no excuses. Also, you can get everything that you need over the internet without having to buy chips... music, movies, series, games, softwares... at no cost.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Redgarl"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Really? the most bleeding edge video card that is required to play crysis in all its glory is like $800. That's more than the PS3 just to get a great video card.

Now if you want to compare a $400 PC to a 360...then by all means lets discuss that. I'd be interested to see how it compares.

Redgarl

800$... my BFG OC 8800 GTX cost me around 620$... you are making things. All in all, my card cost me less than a damn PS3.

Yeah, 620$ with all cost included...

How much for the other parts in your PC? ALso isn't that one of those cards that you can run 2 cards at once? If so, when you are dropping another $600 for another card?

Of course if you take in the bargain everything from scratch, my PC cost about 3000$ and I got stuff that most Alienware doesn't have, like a G7 and a VP930b witch still cost a lot. But for works and entertaiment, my PC brings me more bang for the bux than a PS3 or an Xbox 360.

All in all, my new PC only cost me 620$ due to the things I was already in possession. Don't lure yourself, I can play Oblivion in HD at 60 fps at my LCD resolution that is higher than your HDTV. Also, if you take EVERYTHING in context, you need an HDTV for your new console, so, the cost is even higher than mine. 

TV cost is not higher than yours.  I play on a 110" screen and you can get a kick arse projector for around $1500 and another $100 for the screen.  But that also gives me a move theater which is more than worth the $1600 to me, so comparing monitors and cost isn't an issue and why I didn't bring it up.  Everyone needs a display...choose the one that works best for you.  So $3000 vs $400.

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Really? the most bleeding edge video card that is required to play crysis in all its glory is like $800. That's more than the PS3 just to get a great video card.

Now if you want to compare a $400 PC to a 360...then by all means lets discuss that. I'd be interested to see how it compares.

Redgarl

800$... my BFG OC 8800 GTX cost me around 620$... you are making things. All in all, my card cost me less than a damn PS3.

Yeah, 620$ with all cost included...

How much for the other parts in your PC? ALso isn't that one of those cards that you can run 2 cards at once? If so, when you are dropping another $600 for another card?

Of course if you take in the bargain everything from scratch, my PC cost about 3000$ and I got stuff that most Alienware doesn't have, like a G7 and a VP930b witch still cost a lot. But for works and entertaiment, my PC brings me more bang for the bux than a PS3 or an Xbox 360.

All in all, my new PC only cost me 620$ due to the things I was already in possession. Don't lure yourself, I can play Oblivion in HD at 60 fps at my LCD resolution that is higher than your HDTV. Also, if you take EVERYTHING in context, you need an HDTV for your new console, so, the cost is even higher than mine. 

TV cost is not higher than yours.  I play on a 110" screen and you can get a kick arse projector for around $1500 and another $100 for the screen.  But that also gives me a move theater which is more than worth the $1600 to me, so comparing monitors and cost isn't an issue and why I didn't bring it up.  Everyone needs a display...choose the one that works best for you.  So $3000 vs $400.

The only nod i'll give to PC gaming is that the games are cheaper than those on consoles.

Aside from that Consoles>PCs when it comes to gaming.

The only nod i'll give to PC gaming is that the games are cheaper than those on consoles.

Aside from that Consoles>PCs when it comes to gaming.

DementedDragon

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.Redgarl

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games. So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game. Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card. If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

That's for those who want the absolutely best looking game possible. I have a 2 year old PC that still plays games great, and it was under 1k.

So only $600 more than a 360 can you can have the same performance of a 360. Not seeing the value in that.

A 360 with Live plus your games cost will represent more than the one of a PC. There is DX10 cards at 200$ now, there is no excuses. Also, you can get everything that you need over the internet without having to buy chips... music, movies, series, games, softwares... at no cost.

Ah, I see no one can really compete with the 360 when I bought it.  PC is playing a little sony magic...just wait...add the cost of live...add the power requirements of the 360 over 5 years...

Like I said console is best dollar for dollar.

And the above PC that redgari posted is worlds beyond a console. IT should be left out of a comparitive analsys of price.Vandalvideo

In my book, if you want to play in HD, you need to spend a lot, even more than a normal PC when you put the HD TV in the lot. If you only take the cost of the console, it's normal to be costing less, but also, my card cost me less than a PS3... that's saying a lot.

When I bought my Radeon 9800 pro at 500$, the price of a PS2 or an Xbox, even a GC, wasn't at that price...

There was significative difference, but now it's less and less the case with HD fuzz. 

Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.Vandalvideo

Sure I can use it.  I play all my games on max settings.  If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.mikasa

Sure I can use it.  I play all my games on max settings.  If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What you fail to look at is the accumulative costs over a longer period of time. Sure, PC gaming is more expensive up front. Sometimes as low as 100 dollars more for an equivalant machine. HOWEVER, thanks to cheaper games with more content that you conceivablly spend less to get just as much playtime, you can easily negate such a gap with jsut 10 or less games. The gap grows even larger when comparing downloadable content, mods, and other factors. You have to include accumulative costs. Face value arguemetns are MOOT.mikasa

but over time you'll need to upgrade the PC to keep playing those great looking games. So every $10 you save on a game you'll spend $20 to upgrade the hardware to stay cutting edge to play the new game. Think of it like this...save $10 on a game today, but you need to put $20 to the side because in 6 months you'll need to get a new graphics card, so you'll need to buy at least 10 games in 10 months to save $200 for a new video card. If you play fewer games, you'll need to put aside even more money per game purchase, so the accumalitve costs are higher for the PC.

That's for those who want the absolutely best looking game possible. I have a 2 year old PC that still plays games great, and it was under 1k.

So only $600 more than a 360 can you can have the same performance of a 360. Not seeing the value in that.

A 360 with Live plus your games cost will represent more than the one of a PC. There is DX10 cards at 200$ now, there is no excuses. Also, you can get everything that you need over the internet without having to buy chips... music, movies, series, games, softwares... at no cost.

Ah, I see no one can really compete with the 360 when I bought it. PC is playing a little sony magic...just wait...add the cost of live...add the power requirements of the 360 over 5 years...

Like I said console is best dollar for dollar.

I have to honestly say that the TC has completely owned everyone who has tried to contest him. He has a fair point and it's okay that PC is more expensive. PC is superior to console gaming if the user wants it to be and has the money to support it. But some hermits just have to face the fact that PC isn't for everybody and it is more expensive in the longrun and not as convenient.shsonline

What's the point of this discussion?

It's easy to make console hardware cheap, since they always use the same part in every box. Plus, isn't Sony or microsoft losing money for every console made.

If you want to play your console at max settings you need a HD-TV. 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.Vandalvideo

Sure I can use it.  I play all my games on max settings.  If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

As I said I spent $400 over 1 year ago.  My money is spent...there was no PC option that could compete at that time.  And still today for $400 I can't find one that can compete. 

I don't hate PCs, but for a gaming rig it's expensive.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.mikasa

Sure I can use it. I play all my games on max settings. If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

I don't think so. Consoles tend to cost mroe and more and most of their stuff isn't as good as what I'm seeing comming to PC right now.

MGS4 will end up one day on PC like all the subsistence stuff. 

Redgarl

What's coming to PC that's so great? Crysis? :lol:

That last great release was WoW: Burning Crusade. I haven't seen anything else released on the PC worth getting. C&C 3? On the 360 already. Surpreme Commander? Good, but not great. I can find flash games that are more enjoyable then many of the retail shelve PC games that get released. Thanks pretty sad.

My gaming on my PC consists mostly of MMOFPS (Battlefield, UT), MMORPG, RT Strategy games, card/puzzle games and free shareware games.  That's about it.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.mikasa

Sure I can use it.  I play all my games on max settings.  If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

As I said I spent $400 over 1 year ago.  My money is spent...there was no PC option that could compete at that time.  And still today for $400 I can't find one that can compete. 

I don't hate PCs, but for a gaming rig it's expensive.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.Redgarl

Sure I can use it. I play all my games on max settings. If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

First I had a 57" XBR2 for several years before getting my 360.  No added cost for me.  2nd, I've upgaded to a movie theater for watching movies on a 110" screen.  Once again, for me no extra cost.  The PC monitor is only for PC, but the HDTVs are for viewing TV/movies AND gaming.

i say no. to really compare you would compare the cost of upgrading a pc with $400 against the 360.

because if you have a 360 you most likely already have a pc now a days. 

Ontain

Hhmm.. no. He said take $400 and go and buy a PC with just $400 (no more then that) and then compare the graphics, sound, gameplay quality, etc with the XBox 360. He didn't say anything about using $400 to upgrade your existing PC. :roll:

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.mikasa

Sure I can use it. I play all my games on max settings. If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

First I had a 57" XBR2 for several years before getting my 360.  No added cost for me.  2nd, I've upgaded to a movie theater for watching movies on a 110" screen.  Once again, for me no extra cost.  The PC monitor is only for PC, but the HDTVs are for viewing TV/movies AND gaming.

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I don't think so. Consoles tend to cost mroe and more and most of their stuff isn't as good as what I'm seeing comming to PC right now.

MGS4 will end up one day on PC like all the subsistence stuff.

blackace

What's coming to PC that's so great? Crysis? :lol:

That last great release was WoW: Burning Crusade. I haven't seen anything else released on the PC worth getting. C&C 3? On the 360 already. Surpreme Commander? Good, but not great. I can find flash games that are more enjoyable then many of the retail shelve PC games that get released. Thanks pretty sad.

My gaming on my PC consists mostly of MMOFPS (Battlefield, UT), MMORPG, RT Strategy games, card/puzzle games and free shareware games. That's about it.

And hey, I don't have a Xbox360... And I don't feel like i'm missing much.

Is there any games on a xbox360 that can play online shooting game with 64 players without any lag and free? 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.Vandalvideo

Sure I can use it.  I play all my games on max settings.  If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

As I said I spent $400 over 1 year ago.  My money is spent...there was no PC option that could compete at that time.  And still today for $400 I can't find one that can compete. 

I don't hate PCs, but for a gaming rig it's expensive.

As I said, show me the links.  I've bought 8 games when they released.  So now show me how I can save money.  Quit just throwing out theories.  The only parts list I've seen with a price is the $3000 gaming rig mentioned earlier.  Show me the parts & cost that will come out cheaper with 8 new released games bought.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.mikasa

Sure I can use it. I play all my games on max settings. If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

First I had a 57" XBR2 for several years before getting my 360. No added cost for me. 2nd, I've upgaded to a movie theater for watching movies on a 110" screen. Once again, for me no extra cost. The PC monitor is only for PC, but the HDTVs are for viewing TV/movies AND gaming.

And hey i've been playing HD games for more then 10 years what about you? 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.Vandalvideo

Sure I can use it. I play all my games on max settings. If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

First I had a 57" XBR2 for several years before getting my 360.  No added cost for me.  2nd, I've upgaded to a movie theater for watching movies on a 110" screen.  Once again, for me no extra cost.  The PC monitor is only for PC, but the HDTVs are for viewing TV/movies AND gaming.

I do have a PC hooked up to my projector as well...but it sucks for gaming on it...the keyboard/mouse just doesn't do well on the sofa.

Playing PC games on an HDTV....drum roll.....SUCKS.

all the console games in the world wouldn't make me happy due to the pc games i'd be missing. :cry:CaseyWegner

True.  Starcraft is my most favorite game of all time.  But that's not my point.  All I'm saying is PC gaming is expensive.  I just get tired of hearing PC is the best for games due to the crysis level graphics.  but then they claim PC is cheaper than consoles.

Just trying to keep everything straight. 

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I don't think so. Consoles tend to cost mroe and more and most of their stuff isn't as good as what I'm seeing comming to PC right now.

MGS4 will end up one day on PC like all the subsistence stuff.

blackace

What's coming to PC that's so great? Crysis? :lol:

That last great release was WoW: Burning Crusade. I haven't seen anything else released on the PC worth getting. C&C 3? On the 360 already. Surpreme Commander? Good, but not great. I can find flash games that are more enjoyable then many of the retail shelve PC games that get released. Thanks pretty sad.

My gaming on my PC consists mostly of MMOFPS (Battlefield, UT), MMORPG, RT Strategy games, card/puzzle games and free shareware games. That's about it.

Well, I hardly though about it before buying my latest card and I found out that many games was really interesting...

Fallout 3, Shivering Isle, The Witcher, Alan Wake, DMC4, Probably MGS4, Alone in the dark, GOW, probably Mass effect to due Bioware patterns, Cold Planet, Hellgates London, Two Worlds, PORTAL DAMNIT!!!, StarCraft 2...

So I decided to get an 8800 OC GTX without a shadow of the doubt. I also missed FEAR and Oblivion plus a bunch of Splinter Cell...

The only game I'm probably missing is Too Human and VF5. 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.mikasa

Sure I can use it.  I play all my games on max settings.  If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

As I said I spent $400 over 1 year ago.  My money is spent...there was no PC option that could compete at that time.  And still today for $400 I can't find one that can compete. 

I don't hate PCs, but for a gaming rig it's expensive.

As I said, show me the links.  I've bought 8 games when they released.  So now show me how I can save money.  Quit just throwing out theories.  The only parts list I've seen with a price is the $3000 gaming rig mentioned earlier.  Show me the parts & cost that will come out cheaper with 8 new released games bought.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.mikasa

Sure I can use it. I play all my games on max settings. If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

First I had a 57" XBR2 for several years before getting my 360.  No added cost for me.  2nd, I've upgaded to a movie theater for watching movies on a 110" screen.  Once again, for me no extra cost.  The PC monitor is only for PC, but the HDTVs are for viewing TV/movies AND gaming.

I do have a PC hooked up to my projector as well...but it sucks for gaming on it...the keyboard/mouse just doesn't do well on the sofa.

Playing PC games on an HDTV....drum roll.....SUCKS.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]all the console games in the world wouldn't make me happy due to the pc games i'd be missing. :cry:mikasa

True. Starcraft is my most favorite game of all time. But that's not my point. All I'm saying is PC gaming is expensive. I just get tired of hearing PC is the best for games due to the crysis level graphics. but then they claim PC is cheaper than consoles.

Just trying to keep everything straight.

I can do plenty of things with a computer + gaming... it's only normal it cost more. 

heres what i think....

i like the consoles better....no big deal

and i am sure some like pc gaming better,,,no big deal

i play on both....but i like the 360 more, why? because i will never need to upgrade to play the next game. my cpu right now can play some decent games, although it is no gaming rig.( x1600 pro, 1big ram,and pentium 4). but i am happy with it, because i know most of the big games will appeaor on xbox 360.... 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.Vandalvideo

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360.  Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

Ok, so show me a PC that was out for $500 when the 360 launched that could run with the 360 in performance.

Ok. Now throw in the mouse, keyboard, harddrive, DVD Rom, sound card, etc and let me know if the price is still $550. :lol:

[QUOTE="Redgarl"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Mikasa; The rig that Redgari posted was worlds beyond your console, and can not be used in your average comparitive analysis for price. Its not a level playing field.mikasa

Sure I can use it. I play all my games on max settings. If you don't you're losing the biggest advantage of the PC.

First I had a 57" XBR2 for several years before getting my 360. No added cost for me. 2nd, I've upgaded to a movie theater for watching movies on a 110" screen. Once again, for me no extra cost. The PC monitor is only for PC, but the HDTVs are for viewing TV/movies AND gaming.

So my point is for no Extra cost I've paid 620$ for my latest build... see... I'm still paying less for better performances when you had your games. I got all the games I want for 0$. 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.blackace

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360. Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

Ok, so show me a PC that was out for $500 when the 360 launched that could run with the 360 in performance.

Ok. Now throw in the mouse, keyboard, harddrive, DVD Rom, sound card, etc and let me know if the price is still $550. :lol:

he just did

7900 (Better than your 360) $150/120 with rebates: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=322847 MOBO/RAM/PROCESSOR COMBO (3.2 ghz processor, 1 gig ram, 500 PSU, 80gig harddrive) $330 http://www.portatech.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=26239&O=26178 Case: 30 Keyboard/Mouse combo: 40 Total price: $520Vandalvideo

P4 is not > 360.

Also 360 GPU >>> 7900.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] 7900 (Better than your 360) $150/120 with rebates: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=322847 MOBO/RAM/PROCESSOR COMBO (3.2 ghz processor, 1 gig ram, 500 PSU, 80gig harddrive) $330 http://www.portatech.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=26239&O=26178 Case: 30 Keyboard/Mouse combo: 40 Total price: $520mikasa

P4 is not > 360.

Also 360 GPU >>> 7900.

 So what does a 360 gpu = to then?

and your xbox dont have 1g of ram or 500w psu and 80gig space? 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.blackace

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360. Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

Ok, so show me a PC that was out for $500 when the 360 launched that could run with the 360 in performance.

Ok. Now throw in the mouse, keyboard, harddrive, DVD Rom, sound card, etc and let me know if the price is still $550. :lol:

A DVD burner cost 30$ and you can get an harddrive for 60$ at about 80GB. Sound card already included on mobo. 

What is up with all the cheapskates acting like its totally awesome to be one!!? 

This is GAMING, a HOBBY, a PRIVELEDGE.

Do you see skaters at the skatepark all proud of themselves because they saved money by purchasing a NASH skateboard from Wal-Mart?

Do you see fools on the halfcourt proud of their payless sneakers because they bought those instead of Nikes?(sometimes yes though haha)

I have yet to find a RC-Car/Plane enthusiast that is looking for the cheapest way out when upgrading or repairing their vehicles, they want FASTER, BETTER, and STRONGER, and they darn well know that its going to COST MORE, and they have accepted this. 

It's perfectly OK to spend money on the things you love to do, dudes. Is it really that wrong?????

I can understand if yall's are on welfare, but CMON! If the prices of your hobby are uncomfortable then it's time for you to take a hard long look at your financial situation and adjust it accordingly, instead of fiddling around with thumbsticks or making comparisons on system wars.

Don't deny yourself the MAXIMUM PLEASURE that can be achieved by INVESTING FULLY in your HOBBY.

Blackace: Check my posts earlier. The combos I used included all of the afformentioned and it came to 520.Vandalvideo

And that rig only is available 1 1/2 years after the 360 released at that price point...AND it's still not as good. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Blackace: Check my posts earlier. The combos I used included all of the afformentioned and it came to 520.mikasa

And that rig only is available 1 1/2 years after the 360 released at that price point...AND it's still not as good. 

Wrong, P4 > Xenon. Also wrong, 7900 > xenos. Read up my thread a little bit. 

 

 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] 7900 (Better than your 360) $150/120 with rebates: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=322847 MOBO/RAM/PROCESSOR COMBO (3.2 ghz processor, 1 gig ram, 500 PSU, 80gig harddrive) $330 http://www.portatech.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=26239&O=26178 Case: 30 Keyboard/Mouse combo: 40 Total price: $520mikasa

P4 is not > 360.

Also 360 GPU >>> 7900.

Wrong, P4 > Xenon. Also wrong, 7900 > xenos. Read up my thread a little bit.

I'm a diehard PC gamer, but holy hell. A console + TV does not COST more then a rig setup. It may cost slighty less, but not more. WhySoCry

A 2000$ TV is minimal for proper HD gaming. 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]TheOwner: No, consoles are not full settings. Consoles are the equivalent of a mid end PC right now. You have to keep it fair. Most console games are downgraded from PC. A full settings PC IS NOT the equivalent of a consoles PERIOD. Do not use full settings PC. If you say a MID-END PC is not worth playing, then a console is not worth playing, as they are the same.Redgarl

where is a mid-range PC for $400 that will perform as well as the 360. Actually better go back to when I bought my 360 at launch and show me a PC at that time for $400.

Again, show me a PC that was out 1 1/2 years ago for only $100 more then the 360 that will play games like Gears of War.

Ok, so show me a PC that was out for $500 when the 360 launched that could run with the 360 in performance.

Ok. Now throw in the mouse, keyboard, harddrive, DVD Rom, sound card, etc and let me know if the price is still $550. :lol:

A DVD burner cost 30$ and you can get an harddrive for 60$ at about 80GB. Sound card already included on mobo. 

is that a 5.1 DD sound card?  If not, you'll need to buy one.

[QUOTE="shsonline"]I have to honestly say that the TC has completely owned everyone who has tried to contest him. He has a fair point and it's okay that PC is more expensive. PC is superior to console gaming if the user wants it to be and has the money to support it. But some hermits just have to face the fact that PC isn't for everybody and it is more expensive in the longrun and not as convenient.Bebi_vegeta

What's the point of this discussion?

It's easy to make console hardware cheap, since they always use the same part in every box. Plus, isn't Sony or microsoft losing money for every console made.

If you want to play your console at max settings you need a HD-TV. 

Sony is still losing money on every PS3 they sell. M$ and Nintendo are actually making a profit now of their hardware. The Wii was making a profit on day on of it's launch. Also, he was only comparing the game console to the PC hardware. He didn't add displays or monitors into the cost. PC gamers could easily pay a grand for a decent monitor as well.