Consoles are not even close to graphics king.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] Well that is hard to tell, steam isnt everyone, and they list a good 12 million i think more powerful than console(can remember exact numbers when i calculated). But i put the "other catagory" as not more powerful and that may contain super powerful cards along with crappy ones.

Also depends on definisiton of PC gamer, because if you include cheap home computer used to play farmville then no most PC gamers dont have computers more powerful than a conosle

but being more powerful doesn't mean it has better graphics

it all comes down to optimization

Look there's no way in hell that a 7800gt should be able to run Uncharted 2 (even at 720p)

but there comes the magic optimization.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Ok,all this graphics gloating is getting quite tiresome now.lawlessx

Actually, it's been going on for over two decades now.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="davidkamayor"]

but being more powerful doesn't mean it has better graphics

it all comes down to optimization

Look there's no way in hell that a 7800gt should be able to run Uncharted 2 (even at 720p)

but there comes the magic optimization.

hexashadow13

SPU's arent anything special, they act like shader processors on a modern gpu, and almost all the jobs done on the Cell can be done on a normal computer cpu and the some jobs brought back to the gpu. They took some of the jobs normally done on gpu's and put them on the Cell because the RSX doesnot have enough processing power, the RSX has half the memory bandwidth and half the ROP's of a 7800GTX which really cuts the RSX abilites down quite abit. With the Cell taking up the slack the RSX acts like a normal Geforce 7800, with a couple perks. But Even with the RSX and Cell, they can never out pace even a low end modern gpu.

Who the hell said they were? Damn, you PC players are insecure.

I agree, UC2 and it's like is NOWHERE NEAR graphics king. You forgot Metro 2033 PC on your list.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="raskullibur"]The funny thing about PC games are they boasts about those great graphics but in the real world they only play these games on medium or low to make it playable alot of these recent releases of PC games can only be enjoyed with all of its great graphics 1 year from now.hexashadow13

No they don't. I proved this wrong in another thread, and now I'm going to again. If you'll notice the chart...

1024 x 768

9.87%-0.50%

1152 x 864

1.98%+0.22%

1280 x 768

0.66%-0.14%

1280 x 800

5.22%-1.81%

1280 x 960

1.52%+0.14%

1280 x 1024

19.76%+2.88%

1360 x 768

1.18%-0.23%

1366 x 768

5.05%-1.33%

1440 x 900

10.10%-0.54%

1600 x 900

3.04%-0.25%

1600 x 1200

0.80%-0.01%

1680 x 1050

18.31%+1.69%

1920 x 1080

14.07%+1.79%

1920 x 1200

4.89%-0.73%

Other

3.56%

Check the italic bolds.

14+18+5+10 = 47% of Steam users run a higher res than 1280 x 1024. It is wrong of you to say that most PC gamers game at 1280x1024.

EDIT: Just did the math, and 1440 x 900 is lower than 1280 x 1024. So that means that 40% of PC gamers on Steam use a res that is higher than 1280 x 1024.

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] And where exactly did you come across this little trinket of information because that is quite incorrect.DragonfireXZ95

No they don't. I proved this wrong in another thread, and now I'm going to again. If you'll notice the chart...

1024 x 768

9.87%-0.50%

1152 x 864

1.98%+0.22%

1280 x 768

0.66%-0.14%

1280 x 800

5.22%-1.81%

1280 x 960

1.52%+0.14%

1280 x 1024

19.76%+2.88%

1360 x 768

1.18%-0.23%

1366 x 768

5.05%-1.33%

1440 x 900

10.10%-0.54%

1600 x 900

3.04%-0.25%

1600 x 1200

0.80%-0.01%

1680 x 1050

18.31%+1.69%

1920 x 1080

14.07%+1.79%

1920 x 1200

4.89%-0.73%

Other

3.56%

Check the italic bolds.

14+18+5+10 = 47% of Steam users run a higher res than 1280 x 1024. It is wrong of you to say that most PC gamers game at 1280x1024.

EDIT: Just did the math, and 1440 x 900 is lower than 1280 x 1024. So that means that 40% of PC gamers on Steam use a res that is higher than 1280 x 1024.

(YAWN) PC is king of everything, why debate? (YAWN)Deathtransit

Because it's not.

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"](YAWN) PC is king of everything, why debate? (YAWN)waltefmoney

Because it's not.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"] According to steam, which doesn't represent the entire majority of PC gamers but should be good enough for comparison purposes, most PC gamers game at 1280 x 1024. Pretty low resolution considering how much PC gamers tout how they can have higher resolution. I also doubt that all of them have rigs that can play the newest games at max settings on resolutions higher then that.ferret-gamer

No they don't. I proved this wrong in another thread, and now I'm going to again. If you'll notice the chart...

1024 x 768

9.87%-0.50%

1152 x 864

1.98%+0.22%

1280 x 768

0.66%-0.14%

1280 x 800

5.22%-1.81%

1280 x 960

1.52%+0.14%

1280 x 1024

19.76%+2.88%

1360 x 768

1.18%-0.23%

1366 x 768

5.05%-1.33%

1440 x 900

10.10%-0.54%

1600 x 900

3.04%-0.25%

1600 x 1200

0.80%-0.01%

1680 x 1050

18.31%+1.69%

1920 x 1080

14.07%+1.79%

1920 x 1200

4.89%-0.73%

Other

3.56%

Check the italic bolds.

14+18+5+10 = 47% of Steam users run a higher res than 1280 x 1024. It is wrong of you to say that most PC gamers game at 1280x1024.

EDIT: Just did the math, and 1440 x 900 is lower than 1280 x 1024. So that means that 40% of PC gamers on Steam use a res that is higher than 1280 x 1024.

Didn't even think about that. Here's the stats...

2048 x 768 1.18%+0.05%
2304 x 1024 2.86%+0.81%
2464 x 900 1.08%+0.11%
2560 x 1024 5.32%-1.16%
2640 x 1024 0.79%+0.12%
2704 x 1050 2.07%-0.15%
2720 x 1024 1.67%-0.05%
2880 x 900 2.17%+0.17%
2944 x 1080 2.07%+0.76%
2944 x 1200 0.69%+0.69%
2960 x 1050 9.95%+0.99%
3040 x 1050 0.89%-0.18%
3120 x 1050 1.87%-0.05%
3200 x 1080 8.87%+1.38%
3200 x 1200 4.24%-0.17%
3280 x 1080 1.08%+1.08%
3286 x 1080 0.89%+0.89%
3360 x 1050 5.42%-1.01%
3360 x 1080 2.36%+0.04%
3360 x 2100 1.08%-0.45%
3520 x 1200 1.58%+0.25%
3600 x 1080 7.98%+2.26%
3600 x 1200 2.27%-0.01%
3840 x 1080 4.53%-0.44%
3840 x 1200 4.33%+0.52%
3840 x 2400 0.69%-1.29%
Other 22.07%

Well, thats pretty obvious. Thos games are graphically between this and next gen of consoles.

Ok,all this graphics gloating is getting quite tiresome now.Arach666

So only half of PC gamers are actually getting better graphics than console players? Shocking.Elutheria

I say it once i say it again PC graphics and console graphics should not be compare,since consoles will always look worst because PC's get new hardware all the time.

Like i already say try to run any of the game name on that list of PC games on a system that has 512 MB of ram for video and system ram it would not run period.

Crysis on a system with 256 MB for windows and 256 MB for video will not run period hell windows vista need minimun i think 1 GB to run the system alone not even talking about games.

So consoles are more than fine for what they have and PC will always look better and cost more to run as wel.

Honestly, I don't see why consoles can't be graphics kings. There's been a couple of times when I considered the console as having better graphics.

1. When the NES was first released and there was no games yet for the Amiga. The IBM PC wasn't even in contention.

2. 1995, 1996 when the PSX and N64 were released. The PC didn't have 3D acceleration yet.

There's no reason to believe history can't repeat itself.......again.

Mario 64, Soul Calibur, Shenmue, Gran Turismo 3, Halo and Gears of War would like a word with you :P

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

[QUOTE="raskullibur"]The funny thing about PC games are they boasts about those great graphics but in the real world they only play these games on medium or low to make it playable alot of these recent releases of PC games can only be enjoyed with all of its great graphics 1 year from now.raskullibur

That's hilarious. I run all my games on high/very high settings and I never said anything in this thread until now... >.>

My computer is 3 years old and can still max out most games or play them on high at 1680x1050.

[QUOTE="raskullibur"][QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

That's hilarious. I run all my games on high/very high settings and I never said anything in this thread until now... >.>

Hakkai007

My computer is 3 years old and can still max out most games or play them on high at 1680x1050.

AMD dual core CPU 2GB ram Gforce 240 GT 1GB and i can't even run a 2007 game on anything more than mid settings,in fact Crysis on my PC runs like 30 FPS or less with everthing on medium and eveything pop up in from of me rocks vegetation.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="raskullibur"] You must have a very high end PC when Crysis released?Eltormo

My computer is 3 years old and can still max out most games or play them on high at 1680x1050.

AMD dual core CPU 2GB ram Gforce 240 GT 1GB and i can't even run a 2007 game on anything more than mid settings,in fact Crysis on my PC runs like 30 FPS or less with everthing on medium and eveything pop up in from of me rocks vegetation.

You must have done something wrong, although your PC is weaker than mine.

I have an AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7ghz, an 8800gt and 2 gigs of ddr2 800mhz ram.

I can run Metro 2033 on directx 10 very high at 1440x900 or directx 9 very high at 1600x1024.

Most new games I can even play on high or max.

Lost Planet 2 benchmark ran fine on 1680x1050 res highest settings except for 4xAA.

Dead Rising 2 ran fine at 1680x1050 high 8xAA.

F1 2010 runs fine at highest settings with 4xAA at 1680x1050.

Dirt 2 runs fine at 1680x1050 at ultra high with 8xMCSAA

Devil May Cry 4 runs ultra smooth at max settings with Q16XCSAA at 1680x1050.

Assassin's Creed 2 runs fine at max 8XAA 1680x1050.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 runs fine at highest settings with 4xAA at 1680x1050.

Mafia 2 ran fine at highest settings with a tweaked physx on high at 1680x1050.

The list goes on and on.

And I only spent around 600 on my PC back in 2007.

My definition of graphics king is not based on the power of the game and its system. Yes, Crysis is the most technically proficient. Is it the game I'd say has the best graphics? No. There's no fun to have a definition that has no alternative choices, and graphics aren't measured by the amount of pixels present at any time. My choice for best graphics I've seen so far is FFXIII for the both the artistic design and the presentation. I think it looks loads better than Crysis or any other PC game I've seen. Just my opinion.

Hermits are not alowed to show why the PC is best. It's just not on in system wars.

For a graphics thread to be acceptable it has to be about the PS3, and how it's 5 year old hardwarebeats some other 5 year old hardware by having 1 or 2 more pixels,the most linear and slightly less jaggy filled game.

My definition of graphics king is not based on the power of the game and its system. Yes, Crysis is the most technically proficient. Is it the game I'd say has the best graphics? No. There's no fun to have a definition that has no alternative choices, and graphics aren't measured by the amount of pixels present at any time. My choice for best graphics I've seen so far is FFXIII for the both the artistic design and the presentation. I think it looks loads better than Crysis or any other PC game I've seen. Just my opinion.

calvinsora

You must not have a gaming PC then.

Horrible 720P res makes it looks blurry as hell.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

My definition of graphics king is not based on the power of the game and its system. Yes, Crysis is the most technically proficient. Is it the game I'd say has the best graphics? No. There's no fun to have a definition that has no alternative choices, and graphics aren't measured by the amount of pixels present at any time. My choice for best graphics I've seen so far is FFXIII for the both the artistic design and the presentation. I think it looks loads better than Crysis or any other PC game I've seen. Just my opinion.

Hakkai007

You must not have a gaming PC then.

Horrible 720P res makes it looks blurry as hell.

You seem to have missed my point. I don't like it when games strive to look as realistic as possible. Some do, but not nearly everybody. I like the art design and presentation in FFXIII more than in Crysis, thus, I think it has better graphics.

But to answer your question, no, I don't have a gaming PC. Plan to get one at a later date, though. I base my decisions from looking at the design of games from videos (many of which with great resolution) and pics, neither of which make me think Crysis has the best graphics. 'Tis only my opinion, however.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

My definition of graphics king is not based on the power of the game and its system. Yes, Crysis is the most technically proficient. Is it the game I'd say has the best graphics? No. There's no fun to have a definition that has no alternative choices, and graphics aren't measured by the amount of pixels present at any time. My choice for best graphics I've seen so far is FFXIII for the both the artistic design and the presentation. I think it looks loads better than Crysis or any other PC game I've seen. Just my opinion.

calvinsora

You must not have a gaming PC then.

Horrible 720P res makes it looks blurry as hell.

You seem to have missed my point. I don't like it when games strive to look as realistic as possible. Some do, but not nearly everybody. I like the art design and presentation in FFXIII more than in Crysis, thus, I think it has better graphics.

But to answer your question, no, I don't have a gaming PC. Plan to get one at a later date, though. I base my decisions from looking at the design of games from videos (many of which with great resolution) and pics, neither of which make me think Crysis has the best graphics. 'Tis only my opinion, however.

That's a fair definition. However in System wars if it's not Uncharted 2 it's not in contention. I can name a loads of gamesI feel are betting looking then Uncharted. FFXIII being one of them (Crap game though)

Fanboys like to be semi technicall when comparing graphics. Enough to eliminate artistic games, but not technical enough to include the PC's games

mattuk69

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

You must not have a gaming PC then.

Horrible 720P res makes it looks blurry as hell.

-Snooze-

You seem to have missed my point. I don't like it when games strive to look as realistic as possible. Some do, but not nearly everybody. I like the art design and presentation in FFXIII more than in Crysis, thus, I think it has better graphics.

But to answer your question, no, I don't have a gaming PC. Plan to get one at a later date, though. I base my decisions from looking at the design of games from videos (many of which with great resolution) and pics, neither of which make me think Crysis has the best graphics. 'Tis only my opinion, however.

That's a fair definition. However in System wars if it's not Uncharted 2 it's not in contention. I can name a loads of gamesI feel are betting looking then Uncharted. FFXIII being one of them (Crap game though)

Fanboys like to be semi technicall when comparing graphics. Enough to eliminate artistic games, but not technical enough to include the PC's games

I agree that many like to just completely ignore the PC's technical superiority out of straight bias and throw around weird arguments about how PS3 can actually achieve more realistic graphics. I like UC2, and its graphics, but with games like Okami, Eternal Sonata and FFXIII? Nah. Though I liked FFXIII :P

stating the obvious ftw!!

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

My definition of graphics king is not based on the power of the game and its system. Yes, Crysis is the most technically proficient. Is it the game I'd say has the best graphics? No. There's no fun to have a definition that has no alternative choices, and graphics aren't measured by the amount of pixels present at any time. My choice for best graphics I've seen so far is FFXIII for the both the artistic design and the presentation. I think it looks loads better than Crysis or any other PC game I've seen. Just my opinion.

calvinsora

You must not have a gaming PC then.

Horrible 720P res makes it looks blurry as hell.

You seem to have missed my point. I don't like it when games strive to look as realistic as possible. Some do, but not nearly everybody. I like the art design and presentation in FFXIII more than in Crysis, thus, I think it has better graphics.

But to answer your question, no, I don't have a gaming PC. Plan to get one at a later date, though. I base my decisions from looking at the design of games from videos (many of which with great resolution) and pics, neither of which make me think Crysis has the best graphics. 'Tis only my opinion, however.

Youtube videos are highly compressed and do not show the true visuals of a PC game.

I am glad you are honest about not owning a gaming PC.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

My definition of graphics king is not based on the power of the game and its system. Yes, Crysis is the most technically proficient. Is it the game I'd say has the best graphics? No. There's no fun to have a definition that has no alternative choices, and graphics aren't measured by the amount of pixels present at any time. My choice for best graphics I've seen so far is FFXIII for the both the artistic design and the presentation. I think it looks loads better than Crysis or any other PC game I've seen. Just my opinion.

calvinsora

You must not have a gaming PC then.

Horrible 720P res makes it looks blurry as hell.

You seem to have missed my point. I don't like it when games strive to look as realistic as possible. Some do, but not nearly everybody. I like the art design and presentation in FFXIII more than in Crysis, thus, I think it has better graphics.

But to answer your question, no, I don't have a gaming PC. Plan to get one at a later date, though. I base my decisions from looking at the design of games from videos (many of which with great resolution) and pics, neither of which make me think Crysis has the best graphics. 'Tis only my opinion, however.

You can't really know if a game has good graphics or not. You have to actually play it and be the judge in that department.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

You must not have a gaming PC then.

Horrible 720P res makes it looks blurry as hell.

marcogamer07

You seem to have missed my point. I don't like it when games strive to look as realistic as possible. Some do, but not nearly everybody. I like the art design and presentation in FFXIII more than in Crysis, thus, I think it has better graphics.

But to answer your question, no, I don't have a gaming PC. Plan to get one at a later date, though. I base my decisions from looking at the design of games from videos (many of which with great resolution) and pics, neither of which make me think Crysis has the best graphics. 'Tis only my opinion, however.

You can't really know if a game has good graphics or not. You have to actually play it and be the judge in that department.

I can see the design, the overall fluidity of gameplay and the presentation. I don't care if HD shine is added, or if everything is much more crisp, my individual appreciation of graphics is limited to what can be gauged from an observation. How the graphics affect the game, however, is a different matter. But my main point wasn't to say that "No way Crysis has the best graphics!", it was that the way people define "best graphics" is, IMO, way off.

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

You seem to have missed my point. I don't like it when games strive to look as realistic as possible. Some do, but not nearly everybody. I like the art design and presentation in FFXIII more than in Crysis, thus, I think it has better graphics.

But to answer your question, no, I don't have a gaming PC. Plan to get one at a later date, though. I base my decisions from looking at the design of games from videos (many of which with great resolution) and pics, neither of which make me think Crysis has the best graphics. 'Tis only my opinion, however.

calvinsora

You can't really know if a game has good graphics or not. You have to actually play it and be the judge in that department.

I can see the design, the overall fluidity of gameplay and the presentation. I don't care if HD shine is added, or if everything is much more crisp, my individual appreciation of graphics is limited to what can be gauged from an observation. How the graphics affect the game, however, is a different matter. But my main point wasn't to say that "No way Crysis has the best graphics!", it was that the way people define "best graphics" is, IMO, way off.

Trust me the videos are too highly compressed.

You have no idea what a huge difference it can make to actually play the game.

The youtube videos are so badly compressed you cannot tell the difference to high and low settings in some PC games. When you actually play them in person there is a huge difference.Crysis has some of the best graphics and if you have never played it max or near maxed out then you have no say in the graphics of crysis.

Pics or videos does not count.

Well, I've also looked on other sites outside of Youtube, but I'm not doubting the fidelity of Crysis. It's one of the big reasons I want a gaming PC, I want to see it for myself. It would just be pretty hard for it to beat my appreciation of games like Okami, Eternal Sonata and FFXIII.

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

You seem to have missed my point. I don't like it when games strive to look as realistic as possible. Some do, but not nearly everybody. I like the art design and presentation in FFXIII more than in Crysis, thus, I think it has better graphics.

But to answer your question, no, I don't have a gaming PC. Plan to get one at a later date, though. I base my decisions from looking at the design of games from videos (many of which with great resolution) and pics, neither of which make me think Crysis has the best graphics. 'Tis only my opinion, however.

calvinsora

You can't really know if a game has good graphics or not. You have to actually play it and be the judge in that department.

I can see the design, the overall fluidity of gameplay and the presentation. I don't care if HD shine is added, or if everything is much more crisp, my individual appreciation of graphics is limited to what can be gauged from an observation. How the graphics affect the game, however, is a different matter. But my main point wasn't to say that "No way Crysis has the best graphics!", it was that the way people define "best graphics" is, IMO, way off.

Well hey, if you can tell how a game looks just by watching videos on Youtube without actually playing it, then good for you. More power to you. But people's definitions of best graphics...I wouldn't necessarily say they are all right or wrong, but rather opinionated. You say that good graphics depend on the art style and overall presentation, where as another guy will refer to the game's technical abilities. No one's definition is right or wrong, I'm just saying that you can't really judge how a game looks without being there and playing it. But then again, that's my opinion.

Well, I've also looked on other sites outside of Youtube, but I'm not doubting the fidelity of Crysis. It's one of the big reasons I want a gaming PC, I want to see it for myself. It would just be pretty hard for it to beat my appreciation of games like Okami, Eternal Sonata and FFXIII.

calvinsora

So what you're saying is that you're worried about getting a gaming PC and playing Crysis because you're afraid you won't like the graphics on those three games you listed?

If you like them, you like them. End of story. At the end of the day, Crysis is just a video game like all the others. You either like Crysis' graphics or you don't.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

You can't really know if a game has good graphics or not. You have to actually play it and be the judge in that department.

marcogamer07

I can see the design, the overall fluidity of gameplay and the presentation. I don't care if HD shine is added, or if everything is much more crisp, my individual appreciation of graphics is limited to what can be gauged from an observation. How the graphics affect the game, however, is a different matter. But my main point wasn't to say that "No way Crysis has the best graphics!", it was that the way people define "best graphics" is, IMO, way off.

Well hey, if you can tell how a game looks just by watching videos on Youtube without actually playing it, then good for you. More power to you. But people's definitions of best graphics...I wouldn't necessarily say they are all right or wrong, but rather opinionated. You say that good graphics depend on the art style and overall presentation, where as another guy will refer to the game's technical abilities. No one's definition is right or wrong, I'm just saying that you can't really judge how a game looks without being there and playing it. But then again, that's my opinion.

Sorry, I might have worded it incorrectly. I don't mean that people can't prefer the technology aspect of graphics, I was more talking about the fact that some think it's the ONLY definition. Of course, I will eventually try the game out, but I wasn't really targeting Crysis in particular. I merely used it as an example, I could've gone with any other game with high levels of graphics. For instance, I think Super Mario Galaxy 2 has better graphics than Red Dead Redemption, and those are games I both own and love. RDR is by far technically superior, but I like SMG2's styIe far more.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Well, I've also looked on other sites outside of Youtube, but I'm not doubting the fidelity of Crysis. It's one of the big reasons I want a gaming PC, I want to see it for myself. It would just be pretty hard for it to beat my appreciation of games like Okami, Eternal Sonata and FFXIII.

marcogamer07

So what you're saying is that you're worried about getting a gaming PC and playing Crysis because you're afraid you won't like the graphics on those three games you listed?

If you like them, you like them. End of story. At the end of the day, Crysis is just a video game like all the others. You either like Crysis' graphics or you don't.

No, I mean it would be hard for Crysis to exceed my appreciation of those games, which are set in stone and won't change.

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Well, I've also looked on other sites outside of Youtube, but I'm not doubting the fidelity of Crysis. It's one of the big reasons I want a gaming PC, I want to see it for myself. It would just be pretty hard for it to beat my appreciation of games like Okami, Eternal Sonata and FFXIII.

calvinsora

So what you're saying is that you're worried about getting a gaming PC and playing Crysis because you're afraid you won't like the graphics on those three games you listed?

If you like them, you like them. End of story. At the end of the day, Crysis is just a video game like all the others. You either like Crysis' graphics or you don't.

No, I mean it would be hard for Crysis to exceed my appreciation of those games, which are set in stone and won't change.

Like I said, you either like Crysis' graphics or you don't. It's not a big deal if you like those games better.

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

I can see the design, the overall fluidity of gameplay and the presentation. I don't care if HD shine is added, or if everything is much more crisp, my individual appreciation of graphics is limited to what can be gauged from an observation. How the graphics affect the game, however, is a different matter. But my main point wasn't to say that "No way Crysis has the best graphics!", it was that the way people define "best graphics" is, IMO, way off.

calvinsora

Well hey, if you can tell how a game looks just by watching videos on Youtube without actually playing it, then good for you. More power to you. But people's definitions of best graphics...I wouldn't necessarily say they are all right or wrong, but rather opinionated. You say that good graphics depend on the art style and overall presentation, where as another guy will refer to the game's technical abilities. No one's definition is right or wrong, I'm just saying that you can't really judge how a game looks without being there and playing it. But then again, that's my opinion.

Sorry, I might have worded it incorrectly. I don't mean that people can't prefer the technology aspect of graphics, I was more talking about the fact that some think it's the ONLY definition. Of course, I will eventually try the game out, but I wasn't really targeting Crysis in particular. I merely used it as an example, I could've gone with any other game with high levels of graphics. For instance, I think Super Mario Galaxy 2 has better graphics than Red Dead Redemption, and those are games I both own and love. RDR is by far technically superior, but I like SMG2's styIe far more.

Then that's good if you feel that way. My point is there will possibly be an Xbox 360/PS3 fanboy any minute in this thread that's gonna come in and rip your comment apart. :P

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So what you're saying is that you're worried about getting a gaming PC and playing Crysis because you're afraid you won't like the graphics on those three games you listed?

If you like them, you like them. End of story. At the end of the day, Crysis is just a video game like all the others. You either like Crysis' graphics or you don't.

marcogamer07

No, I mean it would be hard for Crysis to exceed my appreciation of those games, which are set in stone and won't change.

Like I said, you either like Crysis' graphics or you don't. It's not a big deal if you like those games better.

Which is really my point. It just sort of got bypassed in all of my long explanations :P Sorry.