Consoles have no hidden "untapped" power

Its not like they will magically get stronger, they have a set standard of hardware.

360 GPU=X1900XTX but with added tesselation support

PS3=7800 GTX customized

These will not get stronger somehow the way you guys think they will.

Games like Halo Reach, Gears 3, UC2, and KZ3 is what games will look like pretty much forever until Xbox 3 or PS4 comes out.

I highly doubt Reach or Gears 3 will be playable in 1080p either let alone 720p (Halo 3 wasn't).

Waiting till 2015 or something for new consoles is going to be hard long ride.

I'm not trying to insult consoles, they don't suck and have there places but graphics is what define next gen, its always been this way.

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

So? If every console game looked and played like Crysis, I would have gotten a PC.

No, they don't.

However, why care about it? They output nice enough graphics without the added power. I'm happy with both PC and console gaming.

You are right thats why i have my PC for eye candy, games like Shogun 2 will blow my mind with gameplay and graphics. Still i cant wait for Reach and Killzone 3 as well.

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

untapped power referring to programming skillz of devs that are limited to a hardwareset and the results they are getting out of it.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

Instashot

and that's why I said what I said.

But Teh Cell D: I think games on consoles look great considering they're running on 5 year old hardware, sure they might hit a stagnant point in the coming years, but it won't be that big of an issue, it will be a big break for the developers.tagyhag

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

It's all hype to see how powerful consoles really are.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

Instashot

Mario Galaxy 2 lokks better than almost all those games.

[QUOTE="Instashot"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

farnham

Yeah and then I'd show them this

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

LegatoSkyheart

Fanboys mistake "untapped power" for optimization.

The reason you dont see many 1080p games is because the consoles are limited to a 128bit memory interface. I think the higher res would require more bandwidth. So at 720p or lower the cansoles can do just fine. And I think the 360's GPU is more in line with a ATI x1800 XT in terms or raw power but with a much newer architecture making it more efficient.

Well if "untapped" power =/= optimization. You are correct. At least that is what comes to mind right now.

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Instashot"] There still isn't a Wii game that looks better than Ninja Gaiden, Doom 3, or Conker on the original Xbox.Instashot

Yeah and then I'd show them this

i dont see the superiority they are good shots of beautiful looking games but it does not say they are so much better looking then smg that you cant pledge for that game without being ridiculed

farnham

Doom 3 on the Xbox did not look like that. (Had poor textures)

And Ninja Gaiden did not have Anti-Aliasing x16.

Bullshots are bullshots.

i dont see the superiority they are good shots of beautiful looking games but it does not say they are so much better looking then smg that you cant pledge for that game without being ridiculed

farnham

people see what they want to see.

[QUOTE="farnham"] If those are real shots, it looks ALOT better the SMG2. There is no doubt about it.

Advid-Gamer

people see what they want to see.

[QUOTE="Instashot"]

[QUOTE="farnham"]depends most of the nintendo fans will say mario galaxy looks better then all of the games you mentionedloadedboon

Yeah and then I'd show them this

you show them bullshots? :roll:

Games on the consoles do actually look better year after year.

[QUOTE="farnham"]

i dont see the superiority they are good shots of beautiful looking games but it does not say they are so much better looking then smg that you cant pledge for that game without being ridiculed

tagyhag

Doom 3 on the Xbox did not look like that. (Had poor textures)

And Ninja Gaiden did not have Anti-Aliasing x16.

Bullshots are bullshots.

[QUOTE="Instashot"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

super600

Mario Galaxy 2 lokks better than almost all those games.

did he just say that mario galazy looks better than doom 3?

(-_-")

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

LegatoSkyheart

Can't argue there. I haven't seen much of an effort to max out the Wii.

Mario Galaxy 2 lokks better than almost all those games.

super600

[QUOTE="farnham"]

[QUOTE="Instashot"]

Yeah and then I'd show them this

Advid-Gamer

that Doom 3 shot is a PC maxed out shot. It is even on the back of the PC box, i have it right here. The game looked awfull on xbox. As for ninja shots, just LOL, it did not look like that, infact i'd argue those too are PC shots.

nobody would have ever thought that certain games that came out during the end of the ps2's lifetime were possible for a few years. yes the consoles won't get stronger, but games MAY keep looking better and better.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

The Wii has Tremendous Untapped power.

(Cause Developers aren't using it!)

windsquid9000

Can't argue there. I haven't seen much of an effort to max out the Wii.

Mario Galaxy 2 lokks better than almost all those games.

super600

Like farmham the art of the game looks better then Doom 3 and it looks close to Ninja Gaiden and Conker.

Like farmham the art of the game looks better then Doom 3 and it looks close to Ninja Gaiden and Conker.

super600

Wii is liiiike...the most underpowered peace of hardware to ever grace the planet earth at its time.I mean...what the f is with that SMG2 shot?There is white snow,white ball and blue tinted sky...no textures...it looks like N64 would have easy time with that.

Its not like they will magically get stronger, they have a set standard of hardware.

360 GPU=X1900XTX but with added tesselation support

PS3=7800 GTX customized

These will not get stronger somehow the way you guys think they will.

Games like Halo Reach, Gears 3, UC2, and KZ3 is what games will look like pretty much forever until Xbox 3 or PS4 comes out.

I highly doubt Reach or Gears 3 will be playable in 1080p either let alone 720p (Halo 3 wasn't).

Waiting till 2015 or something for new consoles is going to be hard long ride.

I'm not trying to insult consoles, they don't suck and have there places but graphics is what define next gen, its always been this way.

Instashot

well thats only if you continue to play those types of games.

for everyone els there is something called art style, and imo most games that manage to create a beautiful art style, look miles better then those that only go for realism.

[QUOTE="Instashot"]

Its not like they will magically get stronger, they have a set standard of hardware.

360 GPU=X1900XTX but with added tesselation support

PS3=7800 GTX customized

These will not get stronger somehow the way you guys think they will.

Games like Halo Reach, Gears 3, UC2, and KZ3 is what games will look like pretty much forever until Xbox 3 or PS4 comes out.

I highly doubt Reach or Gears 3 will be playable in 1080p either let alone 720p (Halo 3 wasn't).

Waiting till 2015 or something for new consoles is going to be hard long ride.

I'm not trying to insult consoles, they don't suck and have there places but graphics is what define next gen, its always been this way.

Half-Way

well thats only if you continue to play those types of games.

for everyone els there is something called art style, and imo most games that manage to create a beautiful art style, look miles better then those that only go for realism.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Instashot"]

Its not like they will magically get stronger, they have a set standard of hardware.

360 GPU=X1900XTX but with added tesselation support

PS3=7800 GTX customized

These will not get stronger somehow the way you guys think they will.

Games like Halo Reach, Gears 3, UC2, and KZ3 is what games will look like pretty much forever until Xbox 3 or PS4 comes out.

I highly doubt Reach or Gears 3 will be playable in 1080p either let alone 720p (Halo 3 wasn't).

Waiting till 2015 or something for new consoles is going to be hard long ride.

I'm not trying to insult consoles, they don't suck and have there places but graphics is what define next gen, its always been this way.

windsquid9000

well thats only if you continue to play those types of games.

for everyone els there is something called art style, and imo most games that manage to create a beautiful art style, look miles better then those that only go for realism.

so where exactly dose the line between tech and artstyle go? because i cant see it as clearly as you can it seems :P

Graphics have been steadily improving since the launch of both consoles. Compare Halo Reach to Perfect Dark 0 or GRAW. It's a world of difference.

"untapped" power just really refers to developers really utilizing the hardware they have. Those first gen games that came with the PS3 and 360 they "used" 100% of the processing power, it's just they weren't using it in the efficient way. Just throwing more processing cycles at something isn't good enough, you need to take in account of your memory management, how you handle your caching, and a lot of stuff with doing processes in parallel as the consoles are more designed for.

As you can see, games have benefited by developers getting a better handle on the differences of the platforms. Each platform uses a different set of programming instructions. This is why 360 games run like crap on the PS3, the low-level differences are very great.

I guess I could go even more detailed, but the real point of it all is that as you spend more time with hardware, you can better optimize you code to get more out of it.

Consoles dont need "untapped power" They are made for the games they play and they do their jobs quite well. A pc has "untapped power" why? Because they want the users to do all the work making everything run faster "hotter" so they can mess everything up and have to buy new parts after frying them..lol..

BUT to retrack...Consoles do have some untapped power. Every day developers are unlocking new powere and learning how to code their games to run better, look better and over all perform better. ...SO...where are we now??