[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Which has always been factually incorrect. And tank controls with turning ratios are not natural in the slightest. ^This. Try playing Quake on a controller and see how far you get. I'm also inclined to believe that anyone who prefers controllers to KB/M because "pulling a trigger is more like firing a real gun" has never actually fired a gun in their life. This. Pulling a trigger on a controller is nothing like firing a real gun.
I agree but only in terms of movement with the controller. The keyboard has a very big learning curve that I feel PC gamers don't really bring into the light enough for people new to PC gaming. I still can't seem to get use to the whole WASD setup with the jump being the space bar and ducking being a button I never really use, plus the other random keys I have to hit; It's just too much. There really should be an alternative for the keyboard.
But the mouse makes me wonder how I ever enjoyed a shooter with a right analog stick -- never knew aiming could be so graceful. :)
Meh, I like both. As a Quake III and Tribes 2 vet I know just how important the accuracy with a mouse is (Quake is almost impossible to play on console, go try the Arena port). But I see your point. Movement with a thumbstick is definately better, and the triggers are a nice addition. However, KB + M will always be superior for FPS. With that said, in a TPS like Gears of War, where movement is as important to your aiming as the actual aiming is, KB+M are awful. Gears of War on the PC has incredibly strange controls, and its almost immpossible to pull off wall-bouncing and pop-shotting, due to the nature of the keyboard being a single input per button device. With analog sticks+triggers, the game is much more controllable.
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Which has always been factually incorrect. And tank controls with turning ratios are not natural in the slightest.bleehum
^This. Try playing Quake on a controller and see how far you get. I'm also inclined to believe that anyone who prefers controllers to KB/M because "pulling a trigger is more like firing a real gun" has never actually fired a gun in their life. This. Pulling a trigger on a controller is nothing like firing a real gun. clicking the mouse is closer to firing a real gun??
I see where you're coming from. I'll take playing on PC anyday if I'm really feeling my game, because I demand precision and the most efficient method of control possible.
But I also like kicking back on my couch crusiing through a map on BF3, with my 360 controller. It certainly does feel better. Your thread title is sure making people rowdy lol. But I see where you're coming from, sometimes a controller is more comfortable and easier to control with thana KB/M.
MLBknights58
I agree. I spent 100s of hours with COD, and then switching to consoles made my aiming horrid. After a decent amount of console FPS, I've grown to appreciate what they have to offer. I guess you could say controllers nice for non-twitch non-competetive FPS games.
It's fine if you find a controller more comfortable but I think you'll find the majority of people will prefer Keyboard and Mouse due to the high level of precision.
[QUOTE="reach3"]I will admit, keyboard and mouse in MUCH more accurate, but I just don't like it. I fells lame clicking a mouse to fire a gun. and walking holding down a button is weak also. It just feels unnatural to me. Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. Walking also feels better for a thumbstick and controlling momentum. While keyboard and mouse is undoubtedly superior in a precision-sense...a controller feels much more natural and just feels plain better for games to me.reach3
Your a moron.
\ Your mature. My argument actually has a point.
So does his, the point to his post was to tell you that you are a moron.
[QUOTE="reach3"]Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. reach3
Yeah because soldiers go around shooting stuff with a 360 controller. Is not natural to turn around like a tank.
That's just your opinion. You got used to controllers and probably don't play much with a mouse.
Clicking a button vs pulling a trigger Which would be the better feeling and more natural way to shoot a gun in a videogame? Obviously clicking a button....
Pointing at the target with your hand on a mouse vs twiddling your thumb on a thumb stick so that aim assist can shoot the huge hitbox? Obviously the latter.
Completely disagree. I can understand wanting to use a controller for other games, but FPS's play best on KB/M, and not JUST because it is more accurate. Because you feel fully in control and that makes it more immersive. In real life I donmove like an action figure. If I want to point somewhere, I point there. PC allows me to feel fully immersed and in control in FPS games. I simply cannot stand console controls for FPS games.
pulling a xbox 360 trigger feels bette rthan clicking a mouse button.crystos
really ? by feel better do mean, you pulling a trigger is more satisfying or do you mean its more accessible ? I'd rather a mouse 1 and mouse 2 buttons than a trigger, your hand remains stationary on the mouse and all you have to do is click instead of pull back.
[QUOTE="reach3"]I will admit, keyboard and mouse is MUCH more accurate, but I just don't like it. It fells lame clicking a mouse to fire a gun. and walking holding down a button is weak also. It just feels unnatural to me. Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. Walking also feels better for a thumbstick and controlling momentum. While keyboard and mouse is undoubtedly superior in a precision-sense...a controller feels much more natural and just feels plain better for games to me.mazdero
Thread title was debunked with your first sentence.
[QUOTE="reach3"] \ Your mature. My argument actually has a point.lowe0
So does his, the point to his post was to tell you that you are a moron.
And is there any actual evidence to support that point? And no, "I disagree with your opinion" does not constitute evidence. You're just butthurt because he's a PC gamer picking on an ignorant consolite. Calm down.
So does his, the point to his post was to tell you that you are a moron.
DragonfireXZ95
And is there any actual evidence to support that point? And no, "I disagree with your opinion" does not constitute evidence. You're just butthurt because he's a PC gamer picking on an ignorant consolite. Calm down. Focus on the argument, please, not the person making it.
[QUOTE="reach3"]Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. reach3
Yeah because soldiers go around shooting stuff with a 360 controller. Is not natural to turn around like a tank.
That's just your opinion. You got used to controllers and probably don't play much with a mouse.
Clicking a button vs pulling a trigger Which would be the better feeling and more natural way to shoot a gun in a videogame? Obviously clicking a button.... so do you also put the controller sideways and in front of your face as if you were aiming a real gun? I mean...your argument to say that controllers>keyboard is literally "real guns have triggers, like a button! not a click!" and btw "clicking" also hits a button...its the same **** dude.
[QUOTE="reach3"] Clicking a button vs pulling a trigger Which would be the better feeling and more natural way to shoot a gun in a videogame? Obviously clicking a button....reach3
When I jump in games I don't want to do it like I do it in real life. I just click a button and I'm fine with that. The turning around on the other hand is just irritating.
Good for you. You don't care about how natural it feels to play games. I will take better feeling gameplay over something that feels awkward yet give me more chance to kill someone please...i've fired several guns, controllers dont feel "natural" at all...your argument is flawed, you say is more natural because of the button resembling the gun trigger...but the accuracy with controller doesnt resembles a real gun at all...so by your logic controllers dont feel natural as well. and keyboards should also feel more natural by your logic, because you are also pulling a trigger, even if its with a mouse, its a button, just like any other, AND you get a more realistic movement. you lost at your own game.
I would personally rather have natural 'head movement' via mouse, rather than the tank-simulator feeling of a controller.
Which highlights the real issue with the controller, in that the skill requirement for a game is capped, hence the epic-noobfest on consoles compared to PC.
I seriously have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I can't play multiplayer FPS games at all with a gamepad because of how handicapped it makes me feel.
[QUOTE="reach3"]I will admit, keyboard and mouse in MUCH more accurate, but I just don't like it. I fells lame clicking a mouse to fire a gun. and walking holding down a button is weak also. It just feels unnatural to me. Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. Walking also feels better for a thumbstick and controlling momentum. While keyboard and mouse is undoubtedly superior in a precision-sense...a controller feels much more natural and just feels plain better for games to me.simomate
Your a moron.
I actually agree with his opinion. You can't just blindly say that, he's got a point. Both controls have its pros and cons. but the "pros" he is exhibiting are "THE CONTROLLER HAS A TRIGGER BUTTON ITS NOT A CLICK HERPY DERP"
The very fact that aim assists and such bullguano exists only on consoles and is even considered fair makes it look like you didn't put too much thought in your post.
"Feels more natural"? Right, because guns are held in your hands like a controller, lmao.
I will admit, keyboard and mouse is MUCH more accurate, but I just don't like it. It fells lame clicking a mouse to fire a gun. and walking holding down a button is weak also. It just feels unnatural to me. Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. Walking also feels better for a thumbstick and controlling momentum. While keyboard and mouse is undoubtedly superior in a precision-sense...a controller feels much more natural and just feels plain better for games to me.reach3
I'll take logic over "teh magical feeling".
One has the precision and speed and is the clear victor. The other has "sumthing special!!11 dat I can't describe" :roll:Neither feel like firing a gun, so please stop.
I will admit, keyboard and mouse is MUCH more accurate, but I just don't like it. It fells lame clicking a mouse to fire a gun. and walking holding down a button is weak also. It just feels unnatural to me. Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. Walking also feels better for a thumbstick and controlling momentum. While keyboard and mouse is undoubtedly superior in a precision-sense...a controller feels much more natural and just feels plain better for games to me.reach3
Owned yourself on the first sentence /thread :lol:
I see where you're coming from. I'll take playing on PC anyday if I'm really feeling my game, because I demand precision and the most efficient method of control possible.
But I also like kicking back on my couch crusiing through a map on BF3, with my 360 controller. It certainly does feel better. Your thread title is sure making people rowdy lol. But I see where you're coming from, sometimes a controller is more comfortable and easier to control with thana KB/M.
Mr_Cumberdale
I agree. I spent 100s of hours with COD, and then switching to consoles made my aiming horrid. After a decent amount of console FPS, I've grown to appreciate what they have to offer. I guess you could say controllers nice for non-twitch non-competetive FPS games.
I suppose controllers are OK if you're just noobing around. Just don't go claiming they're superior.
I will admit, keyboard and mouse is MUCH more accurate, but I just don't like it. It fells lame clicking a mouse to fire a gun. and walking holding down a button is weak also. It just feels unnatural to me. Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. Walking also feels better for a thumbstick and controlling momentum. While keyboard and mouse is undoubtedly superior in a precision-sense...a controller feels much more natural and just feels plain better for games to me.reach3
Yeah pulling a plastic trigger is just like the real thing and pushing forward on a thumbstick is so natural.
[QUOTE="reach3"]I will admit, keyboard and mouse is MUCH more accurate, but I just don't like it. It fells lame clicking a mouse to fire a gun. and walking holding down a button is weak also. It just feels unnatural to me. Pulling a trigger on a controller feels much better and is actually natural for shooting a gun. Walking also feels better for a thumbstick and controlling momentum. While keyboard and mouse is undoubtedly superior in a precision-sense...a controller feels much more natural and just feels plain better for games to me.The__Havoc
Owned yourself on the first sentence /thread :lol:
Not necessarily. For example, force feedback wheels in racing games: some people love them because they provide feedback, others prefer the ability to snap lock-to-lock in a split second and so use a controller. What you like about your controller of choice may not be what everyone's looking for.
Under your logic, the Wii mote is the best thing since sliced bread for FPS on consoles. Not saying that it's bad, but if you're reasoning that controllers are better is because of the triggers, the Wii remote feels even more like a gun because you're actually aiming with it instead of moving it with an archaic analog stick that's only around because of almost 10 years of familiarity.
If I play MW2 on PC with KB+M I can shoot everything from the hip and never need to bother looking down my sites but on the console the extra part is needed. Most PC games aren't anywhere near as poorly optimized as MW2. So if you are really "hardcore" type that likes games likes these types of games that are obviously designed for consoles then I can kinda understand that but personally I think cheap games are cheap and I'd rather have good controls.
*walked in expecting "trigger feels like firing a real gun" argument* *saw expected argument almost immediately* *laffed* Anyone who has held (let alone fired) a real gun will tell you a gamepad does in no way replicate that feeling. And you must have missed that "pistol grip" mouse they came out with a few years ago, that integrates the accuracy of the mouse with a REAL pistol grip. Something not available on consoles.
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