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#1 Tony-Baxter
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Rumors leading up to the PS4 announcement made us think Sony was dropping used games. Maybe that was intentional on Sony's part so MS would feel like it wouldn't hurt them to go ahead and do that w/x720.
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#2 kuraimen
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Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.
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#3 SecretPolice
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Nah, the fact is, since Wii U launched and Sony showed their hand; MS's been sitting pertty in that cat bird seat keeping very secret and making'em sweat. :P

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#4 CanYouDiglt
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Sony is the only company to have shown any interest in blocking used games. They filed a patent for blocking them. Microsoft has never said or done anything to make anyone think they are interested in doing that. It is just rumors from unnamed sources that fanboys have latched onto.
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Because the Wii U didn't come out recently or anything like that.
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#7 fernandmondego_
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I'm sure they did. Imagine the look on their face when they took an unannounced console and banned used games on it and now are stuck with an unannounced console that bans used games. If only they could switch back to allowing used games. Sony FTW...
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#8 chikenfriedrice
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Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.kuraimen

How can you be busy not doing something? Does not make sense.

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#9 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.chikenfriedrice

How can you be busy not doing something? Does not make sense.

I know it seems hard but M$ are experts at it.
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#10 TwistedShade
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Wouldn't have been surprised if they did. Didn't they leak sub par spec's, to Activision or some such company who then leaked them to Microsoft?

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#11 NathanDrakeSwag
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Sony didn't trick anyone. It was solely Micro$ofts decision to stop making games.

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#12 GarGx1
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MS knows everything about the PS4 and Sony know everything about the nextbox. In both cases probably before a large proportion of people working on the systems knew the final specs.

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#13 lezgoyolo
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Sony is the only company to have shown any interest in blocking used games. They filed a patent for blocking them. Microsoft has never said or done anything to make anyone think they are interested in doing that. It is just rumors from unnamed sources that fanboys have latched onto. CanYouDiglt
The Nextbox mandatory installs and always online rumors sounds like MicRacist is definitely blocking used games
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#14 MasterX666
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.chikenfriedrice

How can you be busy not doing something? Does not make sense.

Yet they are able to screw it up! Go figure LOL

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#15 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Sony is the only company to have shown any interest in blocking used games. They filed a patent for blocking them. Microsoft has never said or done anything to make anyone think they are interested in doing that. It is just rumors from unnamed sources that fanboys have latched onto. lezgoyolo
The Nextbox mandatory installs and always online rumors sounds like MicRacist is definitely blocking used games

More rumors? Microsoft has not released any information about the next system.
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#16 Mrmedia01
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Maybe Sony Tricked them

 

I think MS thought they were going to have 4GB DDR3 but then PS4 is announced with 8GB DDR5

 MS is going to have 8 GB DDR3 according to rumors. So I think MS is getting tricked all over the place.

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#17 lezgoyolo
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Maybe Sony Tricked them

 

I think MS thought they were going to have 4GB DDR3 but then PS4 is announced with 8GB DDR5

 MS is going to have 8 GB DDR3 according to rumors. So I think MS is getting tricked all over the place.

Mrmedia01
I think Micracist got everyone tricked. The next gen COD probably will only launch with the Nextbox, that game itself will probably outsell all the PS4 launch games combined. The next gen console specs will be similar ao COD superior multiplat on Nexthox again, timed exclusive, etc. COD is Micracist's secret weapon, that game is the market holder right there
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#18 hexashadow13
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If you honestly think they don't all have dev kits from their competitors, you're deluded. After the company itself, the ones that know what they're doing best is definitely they're competitors.
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#19 iPage
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Maybe Sony Tricked them

 

I think MS thought they were going to have 4GB DDR3 but then PS4 is announced with 8GB DDR5

 MS is going to have 8 GB DDR3 according to rumors. So I think MS is getting tricked all over the place.

Mrmedia01

 

Yes, 8GB DD3 ram and no games that could make a use of it :cry:

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#20 kingtito
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[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

Maybe Sony Tricked them

 

I think MS thought they were going to have 4GB DDR3 but then PS4 is announced with 8GB DDR5

 MS is going to have 8 GB DDR3 according to rumors. So I think MS is getting tricked all over the place.

The rumors has only been 8GB of DDR3. It was Sony that was rumored to have 4GB of RAM up till the official announcement.
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#21 Phazevariance
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Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.kuraimen
Sony wasnt a step ahead with the ps3, weaker video card, hard to program architecture, and released a year late... sooo your point is already invalid.
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#22 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.Phazevariance
Sony wasnt a step ahead with the ps3, weaker video card, hard to program architecture, and released a year late... sooo your point is already invalid.

It was ahead in what matters: games. Everything else was fine too considering it delivered the best looking games on consoles last gen.
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#23 McSkombi
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Sony is the only company to have shown any interest in blocking used games. They filed a patent for blocking them. Microsoft has never said or done anything to make anyone think they are interested in doing that. It is just rumors from unnamed sources that fanboys have latched onto. CanYouDiglt
Get your facts straight:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games 

Not that fanboys are actually interested in facts... 

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#24 WilliamRLBaker
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What facts would he need to get straight? The fact that your article confirms it and Sony confirms they filed a patent to block used media? Or that Microsoft has mever shown any such intent? CanYouDigIt at no point says the ps4 blocks used games but he is right that the intent is there from sony; you dont file a patent for nothing.
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#25 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Sony is the only company to have shown any interest in blocking used games. They filed a patent for blocking them. Microsoft has never said or done anything to make anyone think they are interested in doing that. It is just rumors from unnamed sources that fanboys have latched onto. McSkombi

Get your facts straight:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games 

Not that fanboys are actually interested in facts... 

What does that have to do with what I said?

Sony patents tech to block used games

 

Sony is the only company to have made advances into blocking used games. Microsoft to my knowledge has not said or done anything in taking steps to block used games like Sony has.

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#26 shellcase86
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Tricked? I dunno...but Sony definitely surprised everyone with how solid the PS4 looks to be.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.chikenfriedrice

How can you be busy not doing something? Does not make sense.

Focus groups. And throwing chairs. Then focus groups about throwing chairs. Then throwing chairs at focus groups.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.Phazevariance
Sony wasnt a step ahead with the ps3, weaker video card, hard to program architecture, and released a year late... sooo your point is already invalid.

actually they were. sony funded the r&d for the xenon the xbox uses. the only reason the ps3 was delayed was because blu ray wasn't ready yet.

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#29 blackace
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Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.kuraimen
They've been a step behind this whole generation. M$ been to busy crossing the finish line to notice. What's that brown stuff on your nose Kuraimen? lol!!
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[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.-Renegade

Sony wasnt a step ahead with the ps3, weaker video card, hard to program architecture, and released a year late... sooo your point is already invalid.

actually they were. sony funded the r&d for the xenon the xbox uses. the only reason the ps3 was delayed was because blu ray wasn't ready yet.

lol that seems like MS was a step ahead let our competitor spend huge amounts of cash on a cpu design and we will then use a cpu designed to be cheaper and use the advancements and follow the standard programming techniques and watch as the cpu they make is used by almost no one.
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#31 blackace
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[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.kuraimen
Sony wasnt a step ahead with the ps3, weaker video card, hard to program architecture, and released a year late... sooo your point is already invalid.

It was ahead in what matters: games. Everything else was fine too considering it delivered the best looking games on consoles last gen.

Actually the XBox 360 still has more games then the PS3 to this date. lol!! So they were behind in that too and still is. Over 950+ games on the XBox 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_games
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#32 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Sony wasnt a step ahead with the ps3, weaker video card, hard to program architecture, and released a year late... sooo your point is already invalid.

It was ahead in what matters: games. Everything else was fine too considering it delivered the best looking games on consoles last gen.

Actually the XBox 360 still has more games then the PS3 to this date. lol!! So they were behind in that too and still is. Over 950+ games on the XBox 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_games

Rehashes, kinect crap and timed exclusives. Crap crap and crap. Sony destroys that crap.
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#33 blackace
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] It was ahead in what matters: games. Everything else was fine too considering it delivered the best looking games on consoles last gen.

Actually the XBox 360 still has more games then the PS3 to this date. lol!! So they were behind in that too and still is. Over 950+ games on the XBox 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_games

Rehashes, kinect crap and timed exclusives. Crap crap and crap. Sony destroys that crap.

I don't think so. Lots and lots of "AAA" & "AA" games in those 950 titles.
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#34 Mrmedia01
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[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

Maybe Sony Tricked them

 

I think MS thought they were going to have 4GB DDR3 but then PS4 is announced with 8GB DDR5

 MS is going to have 8 GB DDR3 according to rumors. So I think MS is getting tricked all over the place.

lezgoyolo

I think Micracist got everyone tricked. The next gen COD probably will only launch with the Nextbox, that game itself will probably outsell all the PS4 launch games combined. The next gen console specs will be similar ao COD superior multiplat on Nexthox again, timed exclusive, etc. COD is Micracist's secret weapon, that game is the market holder right there

 

That game will never go exclusive. Activision knows they can make much more money by releasing it on PS4 and Next Xbox. No matter what MS wants to pay they know they can make more by releasing a new title on each platform every year.

COD only on Xbox 720 is a dream and a fantasy that wont ever happen. Like saying Halo will come to a Sony platform also.

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What facts would he need to get straight? The fact that your article confirms it and Sony confirms they filed a patent to block used media? Or that Microsoft has mever shown any such intent? CanYouDigIt at no point says the ps4 blocks used games but he is right that the intent is there from sony; you dont file a patent for nothing.WilliamRLBaker

Actually companies file patents all the time and nothing ever comes out it. In the case of Sony just look at all the crap they've patent in the last year or two and nothing has happened with it, not to say something wont happened but its really not unusual.

Eyepad tablet controller, tech blocking second hand gaming, tech adding trophies to all games, dual shock/move controller that splits, universal 3D glasses, tech used to identify pirated software, touch force detection microphone and gaming controller, HMD glasses, Vita with a HDMI and USB ports, Move controller that changes temperature, a pillow that wakes you up, and tech for interactive advertisments.

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#36 RR360DD
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Sony have only tricked themselves into thinking they can escape bankruptcy.
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#37 dommeus
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sony is always a step ahead. M$ is too busy not making games to notice.kuraimen

How can you be busy not doing something? Does not make sense.

I know it seems hard but M$ are experts at it.

stop
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#38 Heil68
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I just wonder if the system will have games.
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#39 Miketheman83
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The only ones Sony is tricking is their deluded fanboys.
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#41 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="blackace"] Actually the XBox 360 still has more games then the PS3 to this date. lol!! So they were behind in that too and still is. Over 950+ games on the XBox 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_games

Rehashes, kinect crap and timed exclusives. Crap crap and crap. Sony destroys that crap.

I don't think so. Lots and lots of "AAA" & "AA" games in those 950 titles.

Halo Halo Gears Forza Halo Forza Gears Halo Halo. Those are not games those are copies of games.
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#42 TheXFiles88
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Rumors leading up to the PS4 announcement made us think Sony was dropping used games. Maybe that was intentional on Sony's part so MS would feel like it wouldn't hurt them to go ahead and do that w/x720.Tony-Baxter

ORLY? This $ony's patent says HI!!! 

"Sony Files Patent To Curb Access To Used Video Games"

Sony (NYSE: SNE) may have its hands full trying to reassert its prominence at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) this week, but the companys PlayStation division has been hard at work addressing another issue: used games. The Tokyo-based Japanese tech company has patented new technology to prevent use of second-hand video game discs on its consoles.

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Even if Next Xbox online DRM is just rumor and people don't want it to happen, this could be such an awesome thing to behold if done right. I mean, EA couldn't do it but we have to put faith in MS since they did launch XBL and look at the success and superiority that has had over PSN and (to some extent) Steam. So, I think this might have some truth to it and people shouldn't be quick to jump the gun (if true).

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] It was ahead in what matters: games. Everything else was fine too considering it delivered the best looking games on consoles last gen.

Actually the XBox 360 still has more games then the PS3 to this date. lol!! So they were behind in that too and still is. Over 950+ games on the XBox 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_games

Rehashes, kinect crap and timed exclusives. Crap crap and crap. Sony destroys that crap.

BooHoo 360 games are looking better so lets find a way to discredit as many as we can to make the PS3 win. XBLA games do not count / Did you hear Journey won goty? 360 is nothing but rehash/ Did you see PS4 two biggest launch titles are AA sequels? Kinect sux/ WooHoo every PS4 comes with a Playstation eye and two of the launch games are for the Move Who cares about games that are on PC and 360 since i can play them on PC/ 8 gb GDDDR ram WooHoo all PC games on the PS4 just because of ram ect Cows and hypocrisy
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I just wonder if the system will have games. Heil68
Don't hold your breath on that. :( Going by this gen alone the likelihood that the 720 will have games is about as high as me winning the lottery jackpot.
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#46 kuraimen
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BooHoo 360 games are looking betterCanYouDiglt
Stopped reading there. What games?
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#47 Gue1
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Sony doesn't want M$ to steal their R&D again to make the next-Xbox like they did with the PS3.

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#48 hexashadow13
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Sony doesn't want M$ to steal their R&D again to make the next-Xbox like they did with the PS3.

Gue1
Probably still happened since they're both getting GPUs from AMD it seems.
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#49 HaRmLeSS_RaGe
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I think $ony did trick Microsoft. I'm sure they were expecting $ony to turn up to the party this time after failing to show up last gen. Now they have shown what the PS4 has to offer I bet Microsoft are sat around a table in Redmond laughing their bollocks off :lol:

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#50 Tangmashi
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Teh lemmings have been owned.