Could the next-gen consoles make the smallest generational jump, technically?

I think it's possible the next-gen consoles will make the smallest technical jump compared to the previous gens.

First of all, the Wii U supposedly won't be "drastically" better than the HD twins, secondly the next Xbox will supposedly use an APU (which ends any hopes that it'll be a graphical monster of any kind) and the PS4 supposedly won't even be much better than the PS3 (likely an updated PS3 with a touch-sceen/motion controller). Furthermore the next-gen consoles will focus even more on casual gaming and motion-controllers.

From my perspective that's not all that bad because I honestly expect the next-gen to be more of an enhanced current-gen (true HD graphics, improved motion controllers, more disk space, more focus on digital distribution, ect.) and it would force the console devs to make more original games instead of just focusing on the graphics. The prices of the consoles should also be lower and more aking to the pre-HD era.

Discuss.

I think it's possible the next-gen consoles will make the smallest technical jump compared to the previous gens.

First of all, the Wii U supposedly won't be "drastically" better than the HD twins, secondly the next Xbox will supposedly use an APU (which ends any hopes that it'll be a graphical monster of any kind) and the PS4 supposedly won't even be much better than the PS3 (likely an updated PS3 with a touch-sceen/motion controller). Furthermore the next-gen consoles will focus even more on casual gaming and motion-controllers.

From my perspective that's not all that bad because I honestly expect the next-gen to be more of an enhanced current-gen (true HD graphics, improved motion controllers, more disk space, more focus on digital distribution, ect.) and it would force the console devs to make more original games instead of just focusing on the graphics. The prices of the consoles should also be lower and more aking to the pre-HD era.

Discuss.

nameless12345

:cool: I've been doing this for a while so I'm legit at what I do.

You mean all 3 consoles as a whole?

No, because this gen had the Wii after all.

But no, the next consoles won't be as drastic as going from last gen consoles to the Ps3 or 360. But they'll still be pretty powerful and up to date. Even the Wii U.

I don't expect they'll be a huge improvement performance-wise over this gen, and honestly I imagine next gen will be an overall disappointment compared to previous gens.

The next xbox console and the Playstation console will only be about 2 to 5 times more powerful then the current gen consoles.

If consoles go from standard 720p to 1080p that will be a 200% improvement by itself. jedikevin2

But I thought Console users said the difference between 720p and 1080p is slight :o

I don't think so. And I hope not. I like things the way they are now. An improvement would be nice but I don't see them goingany further with tech as of yet. I just hope they aren't so damn expensive!

I have my doubts that MS is going with an APU-only gfx setup.

This wouldn't be the first time rumors were off.

If consoles go from standard 720p to 1080p that will be a 200% improvement by itself. jedikevin2

That's a little over 100%. 200% would be more than 1080p. :P

I expect Zelda Wii-U and Samaritan visuals as the benchmark/standard for next-gen.

It's not worth the risk. If the next gen update isn't big enough, they know not a lot of people would bother upgrading. It'd have to rely on a gimmick like the Wii did.

A launch includes a complete overhaul from everything from the market to the devs, it's very expensive.

It's just not worth it. It's one of the reasons I don't have high hopes for the WII U. A lot of people will have a 'fool me once' attitude to it. I don't know whose left to attract. I'm not buying a console only marginally more powerful than the current gen, not even for it's new controller. Been there done that. I imagine others may feel the same. Also it's likely to cost more than a PS3.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]If consoles go from standard 720p to 1080p that will be a 200% improvement by itself. NoodleFighter

But I thought Console users said the difference between 720p and 1080p is slight :o

PC gaming today already have tessellation with DX11 and since next Gen consoles should surpass current PC I can see it doing alot. So we can probably expect huh end first party games to support textures that pop out instead of the current flat walls. Other than that, the improvement will be in fine details like water, leaves, snow building up on the streets. Main characters wearing coat full of Fur that moves dynamically with the environment. Anti Aliasing should be a norm unlike this gen so the image is already cleaner. Maybe fire propagation will become a norm, dynamic shadows will be a norm, global illumination. Maybe all multiplayer maps will have dynamic day/ night cycles like in GT5....play a multiplayer map starting with sunset but ends at night. Then next time the map is chosen, it starts in morning and ends at noonkillu-later

next gen consoles wont beat current PC's, i doubt they will even beat PC's from 2009

quit dreaming, you wont pay 1000 bucks for a Xbox 720 or PS4

Samaritan is not happening.ActionRemix

If it didn't, that'd be sad. But it will happen.

Even the Wii U's rumored specs would be capable of running something like the Samaritan.

next gen consoles wont beat current PC's, i doubt they will even beat PC's from 2009

quit dreaming, you wont pay 1000 bucks for a Xbox 720 or PS4

HaloinventedFPS

Best looking PC games now:

BF3, C2, C1.

...Yeah, next-gen console games like Gears, Uncharted, Killzone, and Forza will look better than those games.

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Samaritan is not happening.theuncharted34

If it didn't, that'd be sad. But it will happen.

Even the Wii U's rumored specs would be capable of running something like the Samaritan.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

next gen consoles wont beat current PC's, i doubt they will even beat PC's from 2009

quit dreaming, you wont pay 1000 bucks for a Xbox 720 or PS4

gamecubepad

Best looking PC games now:

BF3, C2, C1.

...Yeah, next-gen console games like Gears, Uncharted, Killzone, and Forza will look better than those games.

And What happens when PC gets its tech pushing games next gen? :cool:

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

next gen consoles wont beat current PC's, i doubt they will even beat PC's from 2009

quit dreaming, you wont pay 1000 bucks for a Xbox 720 or PS4

gamecubepad

Best looking PC games now:

BF3, C2, C1.

...Yeah, next-gen console games like Gears, Uncharted, Killzone, and Forza will look better than those games.

please, none of them look better than Doom 3 from 2004

and lol at Forza

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Samaritan is not happening.ActionRemix

If it didn't, that'd be sad. But it will happen.

Even the Wii U's rumored specs would be capable of running something like the Samaritan.

Yeah, it's still possible.

Consoles can do a lot more with far less under the hood.

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

If it didn't, that'd be sad. But it will happen.

Even the Wii U's rumored specs would be capable of running something like the Samaritan.

theuncharted34

Yeah, it's still possible.

Consoles can do a lot more with far less under the hood.

consoles are magic boxes amirite?

and Wii U doesnt support DX11, no Samaritan for you

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

next gen consoles wont beat current PC's, i doubt they will even beat PC's from 2009

quit dreaming, you wont pay 1000 bucks for a Xbox 720 or PS4

gamecubepad

Best looking PC games now:

BF3, C2, C1.

...Yeah, next-gen console games like Gears, Uncharted, Killzone, and Forza will look better than those games.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Not with that level of bokeh dof, tessellation and ridiculous lighting.HaloinventedFPS

Yeah, it's still possible.

Consoles can do a lot more with far less under the hood.

consoles are magic boxes amirite?

and Wii U doesnt support DX11, no Samaritan for you

Right, because OpenGL can't have the same results.

...Oh wait.

And What happens when PC gets its tech pushing games next gen? :cool:

NoodleFighter

PC next-gen is already here with the advent of DX11. Unfortunately, it's supreme hardware is tied down by API, limited by userbase, and held back by devs servicing the more important console gamers over the nerdy hermits. Even the Hermits' god, BF3, was admittely held back by consolization. AnnoyedDragon and his followers have been betrayed by a false diety.

Next-gen Xbox and PS will have better looking games than what out now on the best hardware on PC. Boosted res and AA will only get you so far when devs don't care, and the hardware is crippled.

Just being honest, as per usual.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Yeah, it's still possible.

Consoles can do a lot more with far less under the hood.

theuncharted34

consoles are magic boxes amirite?

and Wii U doesnt support DX11, no Samaritan for you

Right, because OpenGL can't have the same results.

...Oh wait.

Wii U doesnt have opengl 4

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Yeah, it's still possible.

Consoles can do a lot more with far less under the hood.

theuncharted34

consoles are magic boxes amirite?

and Wii U doesnt support DX11, no Samaritan for you

Right, because OpenGL can't have the same results.

...Oh wait.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

consoles are magic boxes amirite?

and Wii U doesnt support DX11, no Samaritan for you

ferret-gamer

Right, because OpenGL can't have the same results.

...Oh wait.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

And What happens when PC gets its tech pushing games next gen? :cool:

gamecubepad

PC next-gen is already here with the advent of DX11. Unfortunately, it's supreme hardware is tied down by API, limited by userbase, and held back by devs servicing the more important console gamers over the nerdy hermits. Even the Hermits' god, BF3, was admittely held back by consolization. AnnoyedDragon and his followers have been betrayed by a false diety.

Next-gen Xbox and PS will have better looking games than what out now on the best hardware on PC. Boosted res and AA will only get you so far when devs don't care, and the hardware is crippled.

Just being honest, as per usual.

find me a console game that looks better than this, a PC game from 2004

saying next gen consoles will beat the best looking PC games is stupid, even late down the line they will struggle to top the best PC games from the last gen

Wii to Wii U will be more than a gen jump.

We'll have to see what the next Xbox and Sony systems bring.

saying next gen consoles will beat the best looking PC games is stupid

HaloinventedFPS

find me a console game that looks better than this, a PC game from 2004

saying next gen consoles will beat the best looking PC games is stupid, even late down the line they will struggle to top the best PC games from the last gen

HaloinventedFPS

The resolution provides for a clear image, but overall it looks extremely dated. That gun looks like something from The Conduit.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

find me a console game that looks better than this, a PC game from 2004

saying next gen consoles will beat the best looking PC games is stupid, even late down the line they will struggle to top the best PC games from the last gen

gamecubepad

The resolution provides for a clear image, but overall it looks extremely dated. That gun looks like something from The Conduit.

show me a better shot from a console game

ill wait

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

saying next gen consoles will beat the best looking PC games is stupid

superclocked

haha no

FEAR beat it with ease

so did Doom 3 and HL2

Gears looked ugly, even on PC its disgusting

show me a better shot from a console game

ill wait

HaloinventedFPS

That screenshot is apparently from sikkmod and is not the game in its original state.

find me a console game that looks better than this, a PC game from 2004

HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

find me a console game that looks better than this, a PC game from 2004

Teufelhuhn

Oh he always is. Though for being a 2004 game modded, it's not that bad but it looks like everyone put all the sliders for bloom and POM at complete max.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

show me a better shot from a console game

ill wait

garrett_daniels

That screenshot is apparently from sikkmod and is not the game in its original state.

nope thats not a sikkmod shot, this is and its not using a texture mod, its just a bit more bloom and well done DOF

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

find me a console game that looks better than this, a PC game from 2004

ChubbyGuy40

Oh he always is. Though for being a 2004 game modded, it's not that bad but it looks like everyone put all the sliders for bloom and POM at complete max.

still waiting for someone to post a screenshot from a console game that looks better

and it will most likely be a bullshot or cutscene

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

lmao, is this for real?

HaloinventedFPS

Oh he always is. Though for being a 2004 game modded, it's not that bad but it looks like everyone put all the sliders for bloom and POM at complete max.

still waiting for someone to post a screenshot from a console game that looks better

and it will most likely be a bullshot or cutscene

You might have to wait all night for someone crazy enough to argue with you

probably. even PS2 to PS3 isn't that big of a jump.

NES to Mega Drive/SNES was pretty big. more colours and much better sound quality was the first thing you can notice.

then the 16-Bit to the PS1/N64 was the move to the 3D plane. that was probably the biggest jump. a free-rotating 360-degree camera on Mario 64 was pretty big.

PS1 to PS2 was also pretty big. both 2D and 3D games received an enormous upgrade from sprites to polygons to textures. and i think this era had the best plethora of genres. this era gave birth to games that were not possible in the PS1 era.

PS2 to PS3 is not really that big a jump. there was no amazing achievement besides being a multimedia box and online. i mean, those are pretty big but PS2 played DVDs, had online too. and the games now are more or less HD versions of games from the previous era. there was really no gen-defining games this era. probably because hardware is not a problem anymore. imagine, they couldn't do a full-on 3D GTA game on the PS1, so they finally did it in the PS2. or a third-person full 3D camera Resident Evil on PS1 so they did it on PS2. games like ICO/SoTC, etc. this era is more of the same. PS2 era was not.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Oh he always is. Though for being a 2004 game modded, it's not that bad but it looks like everyone put all the sliders for bloom and POM at complete max.

Teufelhuhn

still waiting for someone to post a screenshot from a console game that looks better

and it will most likely be a bullshot or cutscene

You might have to wait all night for someone crazy enough to argue with you

I found that bullshot he wanted.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

And What happens when PC gets its tech pushing games next gen? :cool:

gamecubepad

PC next-gen is already here with the advent of DX11. Unfortunately, it's supreme hardware is tied down by API, limited by userbase, and held back by devs servicing the more important console gamers over the nerdy hermits. Even the Hermits' god, BF3, was admittely held back by consolization. AnnoyedDragon and his followers have been betrayed by a false diety.

Next-gen Xbox and PS will have better looking games than what out now on the best hardware on PC. Boosted res and AA will only get you so far when devs don't care, and the hardware is crippled.

Just being honest, as per usual.

And guess what will happen when a new API comes out and new and improved hardware? The hardware in next gen consoles will have to be on par or better in order to look better then PC even with optimization. But of course consoles looking better will last for at most a year. Before a year later new hardware comes out and PC once again starts stomping on the consoles.

Bf3 still looks better own PC and still has advtanges such as 64 multiplayer, larger maps, and more vehicles. Some guy said how it's funny how a console lead multiplat BulletStorm on PC still looks better then Gears of War 3.

Putting the GPU on the same die with the CPU, making it an APU, is actually a great idea for getting the most out of a system. And I expect that you'll change your mind when you actually see games in true 1080p with tons of tessellation, anti-aliasing, anistropic filtering, etc. and tons of effects and enemies on screen at once...superclocked

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

And What happens when PC gets its tech pushing games next gen? :cool:

HaloinventedFPS

PC next-gen is already here with the advent of DX11. Unfortunately, it's supreme hardware is tied down by API, limited by userbase, and held back by devs servicing the more important console gamers over the nerdy hermits. Even the Hermits' god, BF3, was admittely held back by consolization. AnnoyedDragon and his followers have been betrayed by a false diety.

Next-gen Xbox and PS will have better looking games than what out now on the best hardware on PC. Boosted res and AA will only get you so far when devs don't care, and the hardware is crippled.

Just being honest, as per usual.

find me a console game that looks better than this, a PC game from 2004

saying next gen consoles will beat the best looking PC games is stupid, even late down the line they will struggle to top the best PC games from the last gen

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Oh he always is. Though for being a 2004 game modded, it's not that bad but it looks like everyone put all the sliders for bloom and POM at complete max.

Teufelhuhn

still waiting for someone to post a screenshot from a console game that looks better

and it will most likely be a bullshot or cutscene

You might have to wait all night for someone crazy enough to argue with you

nah too many children who never played Doom 3, it looks alot better than any current console game

hell the UC3 gameplay pics in a thread a while ago looks worse than HL2

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

still waiting for someone to post a screenshot from a console game that looks better

and it will most likely be a bullshot or cutscene

ChubbyGuy40

You might have to wait all night for someone crazy enough to argue with you

I found that bullshot he wanted.

isnt Rage one of the graphics kings on consoles yet it was proven many times it looked worse than Doom 3?

how is Doom 3 not above current console games