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#1 mrintro
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It just seems like the PS4 does almost everything better than the Xbox One in terms of gaming. Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one. And at the same time, you have a console like the Wii U that actually has sweet exclusives and is much cheaper. In terms of consoles, I would go with PS4 and Wii U this gen. Perfect combo. You?

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#2  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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No simply because of Microsoft's relationship with 3rd parties. It will be a DISTANT second though and will not be considered a success.

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#3  Edited By blackace
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@mrintro said:

It just seems like the PS4 does almost everything better than the Xbox One in terms of gaming. Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one. And at the same time, you have a console like the Wii U that actually has sweet exclusives and is much cheaper. In terms of consoles, I would go with PS4 and Wii U this gen. Perfect combo. You?

XB1 has great exclusives. You're just a bias troll. XB1 will do fine, especially after then cut the price and release a SKU without the Kinect. Wii U is still to expensive to me and most gamers. Then need to get that system down to $200 if they want more sales.

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@blackace said:

@mrintro said:

It just seems like the PS4 does almost everything better than the Xbox One in terms of gaming. Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one. And at the same time, you have a console like the Wii U that actually has sweet exclusives and is much cheaper. In terms of consoles, I would go with PS4 and Wii U this gen. Perfect combo. You?

XB1 has great exclusives. You're just a bias troll. XB1 will do fine, especially after then cut the price and release a SKU without the Kinect. Wii U is still to expensive to me and most gamers. Then need to get that system down to $200 if they want more sales.

Xbox always has had the worst exclusive catalog of the Big 3 and that won't change this generation. Titanfall is a HUGE downgrade from Gears of War.

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#5  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Nope, but it might be closer between Wii U and Xbox One that was initially thought, considering how its sales seem to have fallen off a cliff.

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I think the Xbone will sell more than a console that, just recently, had negative shipments.

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#7  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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Nope, but it might be closer between Wii U and Xbox One that was initially thought, considering how its sales seem to have fallen off a cliff.

Exactly. Xbox One sales are looking similar to Wii U's start now. Extreme demand from the hardcore and now just sitting on shelves. We will have to see the January numbers, but a STEEP decline is probable.

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#8  Edited By lundy86_4
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No. It'll compete with the PS4, but I seriously hope that Sony keeps on top of their console (which they seem to be doing).

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@mrintro said:

Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one.

Actually over the coming years when over-the-air transmissions get overtaken by internet TV, then the Xbox having TV features and Kinect could be a huge deal. That would open it up to far greater audience then just games, people buying the Xbox one as a DVR that can handle everything would be a big seller for people (once the price drops).

In terms of games just like the 360 it will keep up with the PS4 just fine. Unless you are referring to the power, which for the majority 900p vs 1080p means nothing. People still don't know what 4K refers to or what UHD means. The majority of games that the general consumers buy like Fifa, Madden and COD are going to be pretty much the same experience on both.

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#10  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@APiranhaAteMyVa said:

@mrintro said:

Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one.

Actually over the coming years when over-the-air transmissions get overtaken by internet TV, then the Xbox having TV features and Kinect could be a huge deal. That would open it up to far greater audience then just games, people buying the Xbox one as a DVR that can handle everything would be a big seller for people (once the price drops).

In terms of games just like the 360 it will keep up with the PS4 just fine. Unless you are referring to the power, which for the majority 900p vs 1080p means nothing. People still don't know what 4K refers to or what UHD means. The majority of games that the general consumers buy like Fifa, Madden and COD are going to be pretty much the same experience on both.

Kinect is irrelevant outside of North America for TV. Also regardess of how the close the garbage annual games are the PS4 is still noticeably more powerful for less money. The people who play Madden, Fifa, COD will want the best version especially when it is cheaper. PS4 already took over Madden and COD from Microsoft on next gen.

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No.

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#12  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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No. It'll compete with the PS4, but I seriously hope that Sony keeps on top of their console (which they seem to be doing).

There is no way Sony won't stay on top of the PS4. It is the first cog in their plan to turn around the fortunes of the corporation.

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@StrongBlackVine said:
@lundy86_4 said:

No. It'll compete with the PS4, but I seriously hope that Sony keeps on top of their console (which they seem to be doing).

There is no way Sony won't stay on top of the PS4. It is the first cog in their plan to turn around the fortunes of the corporation.

Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I think they're on the ball this gen, but stranger things have happened.

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@StrongBlackVine said:

@blackace said:

@mrintro said:

It just seems like the PS4 does almost everything better than the Xbox One in terms of gaming. Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one. And at the same time, you have a console like the Wii U that actually has sweet exclusives and is much cheaper. In terms of consoles, I would go with PS4 and Wii U this gen. Perfect combo. You?

XB1 has great exclusives. You're just a bias troll. XB1 will do fine, especially after then cut the price and release a SKU without the Kinect. Wii U is still to expensive to me and most gamers. Then need to get that system down to $200 if they want more sales.

Xbox always has had the worst exclusive catalog of the Big 3 and that won't change this generation. Titanfall is a HUGE downgrade from Gears of War.

We'll see. Titanfall is online only unlike Gears, so there is a difference. XBox 360 has over 170 exclusives. Many of them are excellent. PS3 had almost 2 years of exclusive flops before MGS IV got released. PS3 exclusive catagory didn't start getting good until it's 3rd and 4th year on the market. XBox 360 was the total opposite. It had tons of great exclusives from day one. Then it died down after 2011.

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#15  Edited By RossRichard
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No way XBone will be in third place. They would have to really screw up to be behind Wii U at this point.

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#16  Edited By APiranhaAteMyVa
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@StrongBlackVine said:
@APiranhaAteMyVa said:

@mrintro said:

Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one.

Actually over the coming years when over-the-air transmissions get overtaken by internet TV, then the Xbox having TV features and Kinect could be a huge deal. That would open it up to far greater audience then just games, people buying the Xbox one as a DVR that can handle everything would be a big seller for people (once the price drops).

In terms of games just like the 360 it will keep up with the PS4 just fine. Unless you are referring to the power, which for the majority 900p vs 1080p means nothing. People still don't know what 4K refers to or what UHD means. The majority of games that the general consumers buy like Fifa, Madden and COD are going to be pretty much the same experience on both.

Kinect is irrelevant outside of North America for TV. Also regardess of how the close the garbage annual games are the PS4 is still noticeably more powerful for less money. The people who play Madden, Fifa, COD will want the best version especially when it is cheaper. PS4 already took over Madden and COD from Microsoft on next gen.

The PS4 may be more powerful, but how many will care? the 150 million PS2 customers never looked at the XBOX (or console gamers with PC) and thought damn I need that as games look better on it. Referring to kinect as garbage outside the US is short sighted, both consoles lack lots of features right now, but over the next 8 years big changes will happen (in gaming and outside gaming) and you might see Microsoft's cross platform integration, TV, kinect and cloud service start mattering.

Both the PS4 and Xbox one have garbage hardware in them, both are going to struggle to hit 1080p when they both start getting really stretched. When UHD TV's start taking off over the coming years, they will both be upscaled anyway so then it doesn't matter if they are 1080p, 900p or 720p they are going to look garbage regardless. With tech inside tablets and TVs moving so fast, they will be overtaken in no time. We will see some impressive games, but expecting anything mindblowing from two weak APUs is not going to happen. The power difference isn't going to be an issue they will both get the same games, one game having AA and the other console not or one being 1080p and the other 900p doesn't mean shit to anyone in the real world.

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@mrintro said:

It just seems like the PS4 does almost everything better than the Xbox One in terms of gaming. Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one. And at the same time, you have a console like the Wii U that actually has sweet exclusives and is much cheaper. In terms of consoles, I would go with PS4 and Wii U this gen. Perfect combo. You?

The PS4 does anything better in terms of gaming? PS4 has no games lol

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#18  Edited By applefan1991  Moderator
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The Wii U is floundering right now in terms of console sales. Hopefully, as Nintendo is killing it lately with games, that will change. Microsoft and Sony I think will be relatively close with Sony maintaining a decent lead. It's very possible that any of these consoles will be 1st, 2nd or 3rd. It's simply too early to guess at this point.

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Sure it could. But it won't be behind the Wii U.

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Well there are only two next-gen consoles release so far, still waiting for Nintendo's next-gen console.

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@APiranhaAteMyVa said:

@StrongBlackVine said:
@APiranhaAteMyVa said:

@mrintro said:

Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one.

Actually over the coming years when over-the-air transmissions get overtaken by internet TV, then the Xbox having TV features and Kinect could be a huge deal. That would open it up to far greater audience then just games, people buying the Xbox one as a DVR that can handle everything would be a big seller for people (once the price drops).

In terms of games just like the 360 it will keep up with the PS4 just fine. Unless you are referring to the power, which for the majority 900p vs 1080p means nothing. People still don't know what 4K refers to or what UHD means. The majority of games that the general consumers buy like Fifa, Madden and COD are going to be pretty much the same experience on both.

Kinect is irrelevant outside of North America for TV. Also regardess of how the close the garbage annual games are the PS4 is still noticeably more powerful for less money. The people who play Madden, Fifa, COD will want the best version especially when it is cheaper. PS4 already took over Madden and COD from Microsoft on next gen.

The PS4 may be more powerful, but how many will care? the 150 million PS2 customers never looked at the XBOX (or console gamers with PC) and thought damn I need that as games look better on it. Referring to kinect as garbage outside the US is short sighted, both consoles lack lots of features right now, but over the next 8 years big changes will happen (in gaming and outside gaming) and you might see Microsoft's cross platform integration, TV, kinect and cloud service start mattering.

Both the PS4 and Xbox one have garbage hardware in them, both are going to struggle to hit 1080p when they both start getting really stretched. When UHD TV's start taking off over the coming years, they will both be upscaled anyway so then it doesn't matter if they are 1080p, 900p or 720p they are going to look garbage regardless. With tech inside tablets and TVs moving so fast, they will be overtaken in no time. We will see some impressive games, but expecting anything mindblowing from two weak APUs is not going to happen. The power difference isn't going to be an issue they will both get the same games, one game having AA and the other console not or one being 1080p and the other 900p doesn't mean shit to anyone in the real world.

People care because it is cheaper and stronger...that has never happened before. Also the PlayStation brand is still more appealing than Xbox. Finally PS4 doesn't have garbage hardware. It it will be able to handle 1080p/30fps which is good enough for me in most games.

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#22  Edited By StriateEnd
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It's not too late for the Wii U to fully establish itself as a secondary "core" console/family console like the Wii was. So imo, it's not even close to being too late for the Wii U to win this gen just like the Wii did. They need to come up with some sort of game that will cater to the family gamers and party gamers first. Then get in your Zeldas and Metroids and Bayonettas

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@mrintro said:

It just seems like the PS4 does almost everything better than the Xbox One in terms of gaming. Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one. And at the same time, you have a console like the Wii U that actually has sweet exclusives and is much cheaper. In terms of consoles, I would go with PS4 and Wii U this gen. Perfect combo. You?

See that's the thing, the TV features and the Kinect/Voice features are exactly the reasons for getting an Xbox One, at least that's how MS is marketing the system.

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@mrintro said:

It just seems like the PS4 does almost everything better than the Xbox One in terms of gaming. Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one. And at the same time, you have a console like the Wii U that actually has sweet exclusives and is much cheaper. In terms of consoles, I would go with PS4 and Wii U this gen. Perfect combo. You?

The PS4 does anything better in terms of gaming? PS4 has no games lol


That must be why it is selling more software than the Xflop.

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@Bubba03 said:

go get laid u ps4 fanboy

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@APiranhaAteMyVa:

PS2 sold better because of hype. Not because of quality. PS4 on the other hand has both thing going for it.

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@Murderstyle75 said:

@APiranhaAteMyVa:

PS2 sold better because of hype. Not because of quality. PS4 on the other hand has both thing going for it.

What is this based on?

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@PhazonBlazer said:

Well there are only two next-gen consoles release so far, still waiting for Nintendo's next-gen console.

Do you even know what "Next-Gen" means? It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware specs or games.

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@WadeFan: Nintendo has ZERO chance of winning this generation.

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#31  Edited By Caseytappy
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You seriously think the Wii-U will outsell the Xbone ?

Lol .

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@APiranhaAteMyVa said:

@mrintro said:

Maybe the tv features are nice on the X1, and maybe Kinect is alright, but those definitely wouldn't be the main reason for getting one.

Actually over the coming years when over-the-air transmissions get overtaken by internet TV, then the Xbox having TV features and Kinect could be a huge deal. That would open it up to far greater audience then just games, people buying the Xbox one as a DVR that can handle everything would be a big seller for people (once the price drops).

In terms of games just like the 360 it will keep up with the PS4 just fine. Unless you are referring to the power, which for the majority 900p vs 1080p means nothing. People still don't know what 4K refers to or what UHD means. The majority of games that the general consumers buy like Fifa, Madden and COD are going to be pretty much the same experience on both.

You do know you don't need an Xbox for that...right?

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Nope. WiiU has that locked and loaded.

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#34  Edited By jsmoke03
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they will be fine as long as the system doesnt start bricking. they really do need to stop buying their exclusives and develop their own studios. i actually think they are better visionaries than sony....its just that they are soo bad hiding the fact that they want to make money. its been a downward spiral for ME after xbox live took off.

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@Mkavanaugh77 said:

I think it will do just as great as the 360 did maybe even better.

That would be a success imo.

Yeah....no. They will not do as well this gen.

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Nope. WiiU has that locked and loaded.

What?!?! Third place? They were selling better in Japan. All of that is going to die down once February hits.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@Mkavanaugh77 said:

I think it will do just as great as the 360 did maybe even better.

That would be a success imo.

Yeah....no. They will not do as well this gen.

I agree.

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@blackace said:

@Heil68 said:

Nope. WiiU has that locked and loaded.

What?!?! Third place? They were selling better in Japan. All of that is going to die down once February hits.

When its all said and done, yes, WiiU 3rd in sales overall.

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#40  Edited By super600  Moderator
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The Xbox one will be in second place, but the PS4 will not be able to obliterate the xbox one. The PS4 will beat the xbox by 10-20 million by the end of this gen. None of the consoles will be able to sell over 100 million this gen.The WiiU will make some form of recovery eventually, but it won't be able to beat the xbox one.

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well my friends all returned their ps4's because they have just realised there are no games to play + they also just realised that titanfall is xbox only.

I think there will be similar stories over the coming months as honestly nothing in the ps4 library makes me want to go and get one.

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well my friends all returned their ps4's because they have just realised there are no games to play + they also just realised that titanfall is xbox only.

I think there will be similar stories over the coming months as honestly nothing in the ps4 library makes me want to go and get one.

BS....

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@Evo_nine said:

well my friends all returned their ps4's because they have just realised there are no games to play + they also just realised that titanfall is xbox only.

I think there will be similar stories over the coming months as honestly nothing in the ps4 library makes me want to go and get one.

Titanfall is not Xbox only... Plus, prove it...

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#44  Edited By kemar7856
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lol wii-u is not going to surpass xbox one they sold over 3 million without any blockbuster games like halo and its priced $100 higher I think people are underestimating it

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Depends on both systems *hidden power* who will reach Super Saiyan. :P

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#46  Edited By PinkieWinkie
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@Evo_nine: Xbox only? Then how am I getting the game for PC?

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#47 freedomfreak
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wWIIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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#48  Edited By blamix99
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it's no longer PS4 vs X1, it's X1 vs WiiU now.. PS4 is way on top that both of them can no longer reach

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#49  Edited By applefan1991  Moderator
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@StrongBlackVine said:

@WadeFan: Nintendo has ZERO chance of winning this generation.

I was speaking Mathematically in terms of sales as of today. But in terms of reality, not unless something incredibly miraculous happens.

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@blamix99 said:

it's no longer PS4 vs X1, it's X1 vs WiiU now.. PS4 is way on top that both of them can no longer reach

Still too early in the gen to make that call. By last count, Sony has an approx. 1.2 million lead. While that's a decent size considering the newness of this gen, it isn't insurmountable for Microsoft. Remember, last gen the PS3 stumbled out of the gate and was ~ 8 Million behind. They ended up catching up and selling slightly more. (I think)