Counter Strike and Half Life are Overrated

Now don't get me wrong. I am a Hermit/sheep/lemming (shlermit?) So i'm no crazed cow.

But...to me? Half Life and Counter Strike are overrated. Alot.

Shadow_op

Gamers, stats, numbers of servers and pro leagues prove your opinion to be incorrect but your still entitled to it.

I think you just played it this week or something otherwise why would you post this up after a game has been out for almost4 years?!

If so then Half Life 2 is a very old game but still manages to compete with newer FPS's and you dont understand why its so highly rated? ...Put it this way 4 years ago it really outsihined every single FPS out there.

CSS... heres what options you have if you DONT like it:

- You bored after playing it for 4 years

- You just braught it and got owned and hate it because you cant get one kill with out dying in a round

- You dont like FPS games without vehicles

Every thing about those two games are superb and fun! ...Im sorry but if you think they are over rated name:

- One SP FPS game that is better (action FPS)

- One MP FPS game without vehicles thats better

Half-life, overrated? :roll:

And some of you are forgeting that Counterstrike isnearing a decade old.

Now don't get me wrong. I am a Hermit/sheep/lemming (shlermit?) So i'm no crazed cow.

But...to me? Half Life and Counter Strike are overrated. Alot.

Counter Strike is so generic and full oif hackers, it's not even fun anymore compared to shooters like Crysis, Far Cry 2 and Halo 3. Of course, it is an older game, but it doesn't change the fact that it is being made into a god send for PC gamers. In every arguement about shooters, It's always Half-Life this or Counter Strike that. IMO, Unreal Tournament >>>>>>>>Counterstrike.

As for Half-Life? What new did Half Life two bring? Dumb enemies, as far as I'm concerned. Now I have to buy it again just to play Team Fortress 2? Please. A gravity gun? Done in other games so much, it's not even unique anymore. Weapons? Shotgun, Machine gun, pistol, and Crowbar. A little variety won't hury ya ;)

One more thing....the Valva Engine SUCKS. It's time for an Upgrade!Look at the Valve engine. Now look at the Unreal engine. Notice a difference? If there is a Half-Life 3, it better be on a new engine, other wise it has no chance against beauties like Crysis or Far Cry 2. Thanks for reading...just in case....FLAME SHIELD, ON!

Shadow_op

You also rated Guild Wars highly and WoW 5.0 for being a fee.. no offence but it seems you love to hate whats popular.

[QUOTE="Shadow_op"]

Now don't get me wrong. I am a Hermit/sheep/lemming (shlermit?) So i'm no crazed cow.

But...to me? Half Life and Counter Strike are overrated. Alot.

Counter Strike is so generic and full oif hackers, it's not even fun anymore compared to shooters like Crysis, Far Cry 2 and Halo 3. Of course, it is an older game, but it doesn't change the fact that it is being made into a god send for PC gamers. In every arguement about shooters, It's always Half-Life this or Counter Strike that. IMO, Unreal Tournament >>>>>>>>Counterstrike.

As for Half-Life? What new did Half Life two bring? Dumb enemies, as far as I'm concerned. Now I have to buy it again just to play Team Fortress 2? Please. A gravity gun? Done in other games so much, it's not even unique anymore. Weapons? Shotgun, Machine gun, pistol, and Crowbar. A little variety won't hury ya ;)

One more thing....the Valva Engine SUCKS. It's time for an Upgrade!Look at the Valve engine. Now look at the Unreal engine. Notice a difference? If there is a Half-Life 3, it better be on a new engine, other wise it has no chance against beauties like Crysis or Far Cry 2. Thanks for reading...just in case....FLAME SHIELD, ON!

AncientDozer

I would've said something like you except I wouldn't have used "overrated" as I've stated time and time again it is a silly word that doesn't have a place in discussion.

But really, my main beef with Half Life is people claiming it's story is original and that Halo or whatever isn't. After some thinking a bit ago it occured to me that Half Life is basically Doom but with dimensional aliens instead of demons.

I know, I know. "omfg stfu u noob" but bare with me. In Doom there's a military facility working on top secret projects which include teleportation. In Half Life there is a military facility working on top secret projects involving energy and dimensional travel or something (it's been a while). In both games a gateway into a very bad place is opened by accident. In Doom it's a door to hell. In Half Life it's a portal to another dimension. Hostiles pour out and quickly overrun security and any garrison leaving only one person to face it all.

And then people make claims that Gordon is this well-developed character and that--bare with me again, I know--Master Chief is cliche or stereotypical or whatever claim they have. I don't see how since they're basically the same thing except with Master Chief you never see his face and with Gordon you never hear his voice. They're both designed to let the player put themselves in the place of the hero. Sort of.

I guess they're not huge complaints but in these sorts of discussions they become points I like to drive home.

Now. . with Counter Strike? The thing it does right is mods and weapon buying. Accurate portrayal of weapons. . however. . kind of fails (the cocking mechanism is on the top of the M4/M16, not the side!). Of course. . that's just for gun geeks like myself. Tactical and strategical, however, or issues that aren't minor.

I've run into lots of people that claim Counter-Strike is an excellent tactical game allowing for great teamwork. How? In most of the games I've played in there has rarely been anything remotely tactical mentioned by my peers. There's really no teamwork except when maybe five or less people are left. In the larger games people act like herds of sheep or schools of fish and go in the same directions almost always. And again, communication specifically related to winning the game is an uncommon event with exceptions of course. I'm sure clans try, but as much as we want to believe we can do it, in 20+ on 20+ games it's just really too hard for the common gamer to coordinate.

So when it comes to being a tactical game or squad-based game or whatever it really doesn't cut it. For that I'd go to Battlefield 2 or GRAW or Rainbow 6. Counterstrike, to me, is just a good clean shootemup game with pretty places to go do it.

Do people seriously claim that Gordon is a strong character? They must be incredibly stupid. He's not even a character at all. Master Chief, generic as he is, is still far more fleshed out than Gordon Freeman. But they did that so you would feel more like you are Gordon. I know it's cliched but it works, that's part of the reason why Half-Life is so immersive.

What people really like about the story of HL is not the premise (which is, as you say, Doom with aliens), nor the character. It's the details, most of which you won't pick up until several playthroughs. Also, the G-Man is an awesome and very original character.

Now. . with Counter Strike? The thing it does right is mods and weapon buying. Accurate portrayal of weapons. . however. . kind of fails (the cocking mechanism is on the top of the M4/M16, not the side!). Of course. . that's just for gun geeks like myself. Tactical and strategical, however, or issues that aren't minor.

I've run into lots of people that claim Counter-Strike is an excellent tactical game allowing for great teamwork. How? In most of the games I've played in there has rarely been anything remotely tactical mentioned by my peers. There's really no teamwork except when maybe five or less people are left. In the larger games people act like herds of sheep or schools of fish and go in the same directions almost always. And again, communication specifically related to winning the game is an uncommon event with exceptions of course. I'm sure clans try, but as much as we want to believe we can do it, in 20+ on 20+ games it's just really too hard for the common gamer to coordinate.

So when it comes to being a tactical game or squad-based game or whatever it really doesn't cut it. For that I'd go to Battlefield 2 or GRAW or Rainbow 6. Counterstrike, to me, is just a good clean shootemup game with pretty places to go do it.

AncientDozer

Stop pubbing.

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Onto why counter-strike is so great, it's polished and balances out well to the point where you skills on aiming and shooting becomes your number 1 tool of killing, not your skill to know where oversheilds are and piloting of 200 vehicals. There are no cheesy power ups and weapon layouts depending on maps, it's all there in control of your fingertips from the moment the map starts.

It's basically the ultimate test of VG marksmanship, and it doesn't overcomplicate the shooter genre.

kittykatz5k

Honestly: yes, Counter Strike is extremely skill-based, but so much of it is based around understanding little nuances....such as, the accuracy of a FAMAS in 3 rd burst versus almost every rifle. The 2 round burst of AK is free accu-shot....every shot after is dramatically lower accuracy...

You have to familiarize with nearly every guns strengths and weaknesses (and some guns' weaknesses cannot be overcome by any player)....

At the end of the day, there's always AWP spamming and a huge number of people rocking comparatively overpowered AK-47s.

Anyway, it's still an awesome game and worth playing, but if you want to talk about skill and marksmanship, I'm gonna have to point you to a game called Red Orchestra Ost Front. Since you're probably very familiar with Steam, you might have played one of their 3-4 free trials for the game....and it's now only $20.

It ain't the prettiest game, but the draw distances and number of supported players is astonishing. The best part of the game is that every gun has realistic recoil and function. Every gun is designed to be realistic enough to simulate the level of accuracy and effective range it would have in real life. Characteristics of shooting such as bullet drop and bullet velocity are taken into account (I'm certain that 3 rounds from a PPSH-41 will reach a German soldier before a single round from an MP-40 does...), forcing you to lead your target and shoot above them for distance targets...

Try playing THAT game with a bolt-action rifle and you'll know the very definition of videogame marksmanship.

That, and, it has the best tank/vehicle combat of any game. Is it exciting? No. It's the most boring s*** I've ever done. But is it simulated down to the most incredible nuance? YES YES YES.

Plus, nothing, absolutely nothing compares to the thrill of being in a T-35 pwning German infantry. Until you get Panzerfausted from the corner of a building, of course. The troop versus tank dynamic is beautiful.

I said it was the ultimate test of VG marksmanship, not realism. That's one thing I like aobut CS, it puts it'sself out of the way of realism for the sake of just fun gameplay. I don't feel that adding foraims to every gun and all that **** is making a game more skill based, otherwise we'd see a lot more DoD torneys and a lot less CS ones.

DoD is more equivalent to CSS than RO....

You have no idea what you're talking about and have clearly never played Red Orchestra....you also don't understand DoD very well, only two guns in the entire game have ironsights, the rifleman class.

"foraims." Lawlzers.

Sorry but Counter Strike is still the best online FPS. I play Counter Strike Source and it's the best. Yeah there will always be hackers but that's why admins are there to ban them. Plus look at all the mods for CS. There's regualr play, plant bomb, rescue hostages. There's Deathmatch. Gun Game Mod. Zombie Mod and im currently playing Warcraft 3 Mod. There is so much to do and when you get bored of one Mod you can always go do another one.

Maybe you just hate it because you suck at the game. No need to bash it just because you suck.