Cows and the 360 failure rate...

I wonder... Do all the Cows who constantly bash the 360 for its failure rate forget that the PS1 and the PS2 were extremely faulty pieces of hardware that left millions of gamers buying new ones by the end of their respective gens? And do they realize that in each gen Sony's warrantee was you going into the store and either paying for repairs on your console or buying a new one entirely? Exactly what did all these Cows who now clamour about the 360's failure rate play last gen - the reliable GC and XBOX? Or was it OK for hardware to fail then if the best games came with it, just like it was OK to disk switch?

Last two gens, it was a fact about Sony products that "things break," and quite frequently at that... And Cows took it with a smile even when there were two alternative companies in each Gen releasing hardware with very, very low failure rates.. Now they can't tolerate anything but hardware that doesn't fail. What's changed? And if Sony released another failtastic console next gen like they did the previous two gens, are all of you people so indignant to the 360 with its failure rate going to jump ship to a console that doesn't die?
AfterShafter

Yeah thatand they always complain about the head start the 360 has. Hypocrisy runs rampant here.jackvegas21

Actually you're reaping the benefits of that rushed head start MS had to have.

wow, nice argument, since we all know all cows in System Wars that argue about 360's rate own PS2's with high failure rates, and not PS3's with low failure rates

amirite?

I wonder... Do all the Cows who constantly bash the 360 for its failure rate forget that the PS1 and the PS2 were extremely faulty pieces of hardware that left millions of gamers buying new ones by the end of their respective gens? And do they realize that in each gen Sony's warrantee was you going into the store and either paying for repairs on your console or buying a new one entirely?
AfterShafter

I'm sorry but you're not telling the truth

The largest error there was the PS2. Sony used a cog in the launch of the PS2 made out of plastic, once problems started happening they redesigned the cog out of metal and solved the problem. Also it was covered completely by Sony and people who did pay money for repairs before the metal cog was replaced had their money refunded. For some of the more "advanced" users of customer service there was never a problem getting it fixed from day one. Some of the more "novice" people dealing with customer service had to go a longer trip.

Also Sony redesigned and admitted their mistakes unlike Microsoft who keeps on saying there's no problem and keeps on selling hardware with a huge design flaw.

360 Failure rate is 58.2201% And 92.0009% of those are within the first ten seconds of plugging it in! Also 81% of all returned 360s also fail!Koolsen

where do you get that fact, from bill o'reilly shows?

The cows are huge hippocrits. The ps2 screwed up for everyone I know with the frickin disk read error. Dont expect cows to admit it though, cmon they need something to make them feel better so they can sleep at night after wasting 600 dollars on the piece of trash called the ps3novasypder77

The cows are huge hippocrits. The ps2 screwed up for everyone I know with the frickin disk read error. Dont expect cows to admit it though, cmon they need something to make them feel better so they can sleep at night after wasting 600 dollars on the piece of trash called the ps3novasypder77

The cows are huge hippocrits. The ps2 screwed up for everyone I know with the frickin disk read error. Dont expect cows to admit it though, cmon they need something to make them feel better so they can sleep at night after wasting 600 dollars on the piece of trash called the ps3novasypder77

[QUOTE="Koolsen"]360 Failure rate is 58.2201% And 92.0009% of those are within the first ten seconds of plugging it in! Also 81% of all returned 360s also fail!ACwillbeamazing

where do you get that fact, from bill o'reilly shows?

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]ACwillbeamazing

Yea, I'm calling BS pal. You would have to go through MS to get a new xbox unless you bought a warranty from the store, which has no place in this topic to begin with.

[QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]Chutebox

Yea, I'm calling BS pal. You would have to go through MS to get a new xbox unless you bought a warranty from the store, which has no place in this topic to begin with.

sorry, i double posted. but that isnt bs. i bought it from circuit city and i retured it for a new one. the same lady did both transactions, no less. and if you dont believe me, i dont care.

[QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"]

[QUOTE="Koolsen"]360 Failure rate is 58.2201% And 92.0009% of those are within the first ten seconds of plugging it in! Also 81% of all returned 360s also fail!Koolsen

where do you get that fact, from bill o'reilly shows?

Reliable. :|

[QUOTE="AfterShafter"]I wonder... Do all the Cows who constantly bash the 360 for its failure rate forget that the PS1 and the PS2 were extremely faulty pieces of hardware that left millions of gamers buying new ones by the end of their respective gens? And do they realize that in each gen Sony's warrantee was you going into the store and either paying for repairs on your console or buying a new one entirely?
Jaysonguy

I'm sorry but you're not telling the truth

The largest error there was the PS2. Sony used a cog in the launch of the PS2 made out of plastic, once problems started happening they redesigned the cog out of metal and solved the problem. Also it was covered completely by Sony and people who did pay money for repairs before the metal cog was replaced had their money refunded. For some of the more "advanced" users of customer service there was never a problem getting it fixed from day one. Some of the more "novice" people dealing with customer service had to go a longer trip.

Also Sony redesigned and admitted their mistakes unlike Microsoft who keeps on saying there's no problem and keeps on selling hardware with a huge design flaw.

Wait!... Isn't a design flaw mean it can affect up to 100% of all 360. So 33% is just being modest.

[QUOTE="Koolsen"][QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"]

[QUOTE="Koolsen"]360 Failure rate is 58.2201% And 92.0009% of those are within the first ten seconds of plugging it in! Also 81% of all returned 360s also fail!TekkenMaster606

where do you get that fact, from bill o'reilly shows?

Reliable. :|

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Koolsen"][QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"]

[QUOTE="Koolsen"]360 Failure rate is 58.2201% And 92.0009% of those are within the first ten seconds of plugging it in! Also 81% of all returned 360s also fail!Koolsen

where do you get that fact, from bill o'reilly shows?

Reliable. :|

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]ACwillbeamazing

Yea, I'm calling BS pal. You would have to go through MS to get a new xbox unless you bought a warranty from the store, which has no place in this topic to begin with.

sorry, i double posted. but that isnt bs. i bought it from circuit city and i retured it for a new one. the same lady did both transactions, no less. and if you dont believe me, i dont care.

Just so we're clear, you are saying your 360 broke on you within 30days of purchase?

I wonder... Do all the Cows who constantly bash the 360 for its failure rate forget that the PS1 and the PS2 were extremely faulty pieces of hardware that left millions of gamers buying new ones by the end of their respective gens? And do they realize that in each gen Sony's warrantee was you going into the store and either paying for repairs on your console or buying a new one entirely? Exactly what did all these Cows who now clamour about the 360's failure rate play last gen - the reliable GC and XBOX? Or was it OK for hardware to fail then if the best games came with it, just like it was OK to disk switch?

Last two gens, it was a fact about Sony products that "things break," and quite frequently at that... And Cows took it with a smile even when there were two alternative companies in each Gen releasing hardware with very, very low failure rates.. Now they can't tolerate anything but hardware that doesn't fail. What's changed? And if Sony released another failtastic console next gen like they did the previous two gens, are all of you people so indignant to the 360 with its failure rate going to jump ship to a console that doesn't die?
AfterShafter

[QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]Chutebox

Yea, I'm calling BS pal. You would have to go through MS to get a new xbox unless you bought a warranty from the store, which has no place in this topic to begin with.

sorry, i double posted. but that isnt bs. i bought it from circuit city and i retured it for a new one. the same lady did both transactions, no less. and if you dont believe me, i dont care.

Just so we're clear, you are saying your 360 broke on you within 30days of purchase?

it broke in 5 minutes dude...

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]ACwillbeamazing

Yea, I'm calling BS pal. You would have to go through MS to get a new xbox unless you bought a warranty from the store, which has no place in this topic to begin with.

sorry, i double posted. but that isnt bs. i bought it from circuit city and i retured it for a new one. the same lady did both transactions, no less. and if you dont believe me, i dont care.

Just so we're clear, you are saying your 360 broke on you within 30days of purchase?

it broke in 5 minutes dude...

Wow, that's pretty bad lol.

Cows have a right to dis 360s failure rate. Why?

Because PS3 currently doesn't have those problems. Period. Neither does PSP, nor do the new slim PS2s.

Could Nintendo fans claim ownage last gen for NES'es succes? Yeah. But they would be called crazy. Same thing.

This thread = Damage Control.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="AfterShafter"]I wonder... Do all the Cows who constantly bash the 360 for its failure rate forget that the PS1 and the PS2 were extremely faulty pieces of hardware that left millions of gamers buying new ones by the end of their respective gens? And do they realize that in each gen Sony's warrantee was you going into the store and either paying for repairs on your console or buying a new one entirely?
gamenux

I'm sorry but you're not telling the truth

The largest error there was the PS2. Sony used a cog in the launch of the PS2 made out of plastic, once problems started happening they redesigned the cog out of metal and solved the problem. Also it was covered completely by Sony and people who did pay money for repairs before the metal cog was replaced had their money refunded. For some of the more "advanced" users of customer service there was never a problem getting it fixed from day one. Some of the more "novice" people dealing with customer service had to go a longer trip.

Also Sony redesigned and admitted their mistakes unlike Microsoft who keeps on saying there's no problem and keeps on selling hardware with a huge design flaw.

Wait!... Isn't a design flaw mean it can affect up to 100% of all 360. So 33% is just being modest.

A design flaw doesn't mean it'll happen to all units. It will just always happen under certain circumstances.

Like let's say you sold a car nationwide and when the car had been used for over an hour a day in the course of a week with the AC on in temps over 100 degrees the engine explodes. Well chances are that's never going to happen in Maine but it could happen in some of the states in the South. While it's not happening to all it's still a design flaw.

I like the fact that at least MS is going out of there way to help Xbox 360 owners, they have given themlonger warranties, and in the beginning repaired them for free. With the PS2, when it broke,you were pretty much on your own.Shift05

That's not the truth

[QUOTE="Shift05"]I like the fact that at least MS is going out of there way to help Xbox 360 owners, they have given themlonger warranties, and in the beginning repaired them for free. With the PS2, when it broke,you were pretty much on your own.Jaysonguy

That's not the truth

I bought a launch PS2 and it broke, but I didn't get a free repair, like how I would for a 360.

I wonder... Do all the Cows who constantly bash the 360 for its failure rate forget that the PS1 and the PS2 were extremely faulty pieces of hardware that left millions of gamers buying new ones by the end of their respective gens? And do they realize that in each gen Sony's warrantee was you going into the store and either paying for repairs on your console or buying a new one entirely? Exactly what did all these Cows who now clamour about the 360's failure rate play last gen - the reliable GC and XBOX? Or was it OK for hardware to fail then if the best games came with it, just like it was OK to disk switch?

Last two gens, it was a fact about Sony products that "things break," and quite frequently at that... And Cows took it with a smile even when there were two alternative companies in each Gen releasing hardware with very, very low failure rates.. Now they can't tolerate anything but hardware that doesn't fail. What's changed? And if Sony released another failtastic console next gen like they did the previous two gens, are all of you people so indignant to the 360 with its failure rate going to jump ship to a console that doesn't die?
AfterShafter

That 33% thing was made up by some dude no one knows and people believe it.

[QUOTE="AfterShafter"]I wonder... Do all the Cows who constantly bash the 360 for its failure rate forget that the PS1 and the PS2 were extremely faulty pieces of hardware that left millions of gamers buying new ones by the end of their respective gens? And do they realize that in each gen Sony's warrantee was you going into the store and either paying for repairs on your console or buying a new one entirely? Exactly what did all these Cows who now clamour about the 360's failure rate play last gen - the reliable GC and XBOX? Or was it OK for hardware to fail then if the best games came with it, just like it was OK to disk switch?

Last two gens, it was a fact about Sony products that "things break," and quite frequently at that... And Cows took it with a smile even when there were two alternative companies in each Gen releasing hardware with very, very low failure rates.. Now they can't tolerate anything but hardware that doesn't fail. What's changed? And if Sony released another failtastic console next gen like they did the previous two gens, are all of you people so indignant to the 360 with its failure rate going to jump ship to a console that doesn't die?
DeadMan1290

That 33% thing was made up by some dude no one knows and people believe it.

not really
Gamestop, Bet Buy and some other gaming store released those numbers

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Shift05"]I like the fact that at least MS is going out of there way to help Xbox 360 owners, they have given themlonger warranties, and in the beginning repaired them for free. With the PS2, when it broke,you were pretty much on your own.Shift05

That's not the truth

I bought a launch PS2 and it broke, but I didn't get a free repair, like how I would for a 360.

Sony replaces the insides of any PS2 sold with the plastic cog for all new insides with a metal cog free of charge.

[QUOTE="Shift05"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Shift05"]I like the fact that at least MS is going out of there way to help Xbox 360 owners, they have given themlonger warranties, and in the beginning repaired them for free. With the PS2, when it broke,you were pretty much on your own.Jaysonguy

That's not the truth

I bought a launch PS2 and it broke, but I didn't get a free repair, like how I would for a 360.

Sony replaces the insides of any PS2 sold with the plastic cog for all new insides with a metal cog free of charge.

Then why did they tell me I would have to pay for the repair? Even when sony released the PS2 Slim (which released a great deal after the PS2) it still had problems, and I don't remember sony ever giving out longer warranties.

I doubt the PS2 is even problem free to this day.

The failure rate this stage in the game is unacceptable. No matter what %. If this was any other product outside of one that fanboys have invested their entire lives to, there would be hell to pay. Cell Phones\Mp3 players\DVD-Players. ANY other consumer product with as many issues would have been resolved by now. Its an issue that MS believes they can deal with. Fanboy or not, you have to understand Microsoft is producing 100% Faulty Hardware. It isn't the user who is creating these issues. It is the hardware. While 100% of the units may or may not fail, the problem isnt user created. To add insult to injury Microsoft provides the consumer with the same faulty hardware. The original Xbox worked perfectly fine. In a rush to beat the ps3, Microsoft has gained software sales, but lost hardware stability. We aren't talking about some mother and father hardware company, we are talking about the most wealthy company known to man. MICROSOFT. If they wanted to make solid hardware, they could have. If they wanted to make quiet hardware, they could have.

You can speak about the PS1 and the PS2 all you like. How many years ago was this? I remember my tray for the ps1 broke, so I had to play it upside down. THE GAMES STILL PLAYED FINE. I didn't have to mail it into Sony, and they didn't just send the same version with the SAME problems back to me. PS2, DRE caused certain games to not work, then sometimes they would work. Once again the entire GAMESYSTEM didn't fail. I didn't have to ship it BACK to Sony to get the same problematic unit.Thats that. Which user base is still one of the largest in the game world? Let me give you a hint, its NOT the XBOX1. If the problems were as severe as you are trying to convince yourself that they are, the ps2 would be a non-issue. Sony fixed the PS2 issues, and thats why the PS2 Is still a factor in the game industry. Wish you could say the same for the XBOX's no longer supported fanbase.

How about Apples to Apples. Try talking about how bad the PS3 hardware is, how loud it is. How there are thousands of videos online about how to keep it cool, and how to avoid RROD. This is a severe problem for the entire game industry. It is not acceptable. For any 360 dolt to say otherwise just shows how completely idiotic this system-wars type mentality is driving people.

When I had my xbox, I kept it on all day. In between game pauses & watching movies. The only time there was a restart was when a game froze. I keep my PS3 on for 247. When Im not playing warhawk/hs/motorstorm/r6v/skate/sigma or wathcing my movies.. its doing the folding@home. I don't worry about it overheating, or the hardware failing. THIS is how it should be.. not "Top 10 things to prevent RROD." We are in the supposed "NEXT-GENERATION" Of console systems here. What the hell is next generation about the 360? The disc reader is ridiculously obnoxious. I'm not talking about the software, because the software has NOTHING to do with this thread. The ps2 had vertical & horizontal playing. You could pause a game and place the PS2 on its side, or on its ass. PLAYED FINE, DIDN'T scratch any discs.

You guys have RROD & Scratching issues because you accept it as gamers.

I wonder... Do all the Cows who constantly bash the 360 for its failure rate forget that the PS1 and the PS2 were extremely faulty pieces of hardware that left millions of gamers buying new ones by the end of their respective gens? And do they realize that in each gen Sony's warrantee was you going into the store and either paying for repairs on your console or buying a new one entirely? Exactly what did all these Cows who now clamour about the 360's failure rate play last gen - the reliable GC and XBOX? Or was it OK for hardware to fail then if the best games came with it, just like it was OK to disk switch?

Last two gens, it was a fact about Sony products that "things break," and quite frequently at that... And Cows took it with a smile even when there were two alternative companies in each Gen releasing hardware with very, very low failure rates.. Now they can't tolerate anything but hardware that doesn't fail. What's changed? And if Sony released another failtastic console next gen like they did the previous two gens, are all of you people so indignant to the 360 with its failure rate going to jump ship to a console that doesn't die?
AfterShafter

1. PS2 problem was gone fast, but yes it was big at the start

2. we were bashed back then

3. NOW is NOW so get used ot it bcz if i remeber its PS3 VS 360...not 360 VS PS2

The failure rate this stage in the game is unacceptable. No matter what %. If this was any other product outside of one that fanboys have invested their entire lives to, there would be hell to pay. Cell Phones\Mp3 players\DVD-Players. ANY other consumer product with as many issues would have been resolved by now. Its an issue that MS believes they can deal with. Fanboy or not, you have to understand Microsoft is producing 100% Faulty Hardware. It isn't the user who is creating these issues. It is the hardware. While 100% of the units may or may not fail, the problem isnt user created. To add insult to injury Microsoft provides the consumer with the same faulty hardware. The original Xbox worked perfectly fine. In a rush to beat the ps3, Microsoft has gained software sales, but lost hardware stability. We aren't talking about some mother and father hardware company, we are talking about the most wealthy company known to man. MICROSOFT. If they wanted to make solid hardware, they could have. If they wanted to make quiet hardware, they could have.

You can speak about the PS1 and the PS2 all you like. How many years ago was this? I remember my tray for the ps1 broke, so I had to play it upside down. THE GAMES STILL PLAYED FINE. I didn't have to mail it into Sony, and they didn't just send the same version with the SAME problems back to me. PS2, DRE caused certain games to not work, then sometimes they would work. Once again the entire GAMESYSTEM didn't fail. I didn't have to ship it BACK to Sony to get the same problematic unit.Thats that. Which user base is still one of the largest in the game world? Let me give you a hint, its NOT the XBOX1. If the problems were as severe as you are trying to convince yourself that they are, the ps2 would be a non-issue. Sony fixed the PS2 issues, and thats why the PS2 Is still a factor in the game industry. Wish you could say the same for the XBOX's no longer supported fanbase.

How about Apples to Apples. Try talking about how bad the PS3 hardware is, how loud it is. How there are thousands of videos online about how to keep it cool, and how to avoid RROD. This is a severe problem for the entire game industry. It is not acceptable. For any 360 dolt to say otherwise just shows how completely idiotic this system-wars type mentality is driving people.

When I had my xbox, I kept it on all day. In between game pauses & watching movies. The only time there was a restart was when a game froze. I keep my PS3 on for 247. When Im not playing warhawk/hs/motorstorm/r6v/skate/sigma or wathcing my movies.. its doing the folding@home. I don't worry about it overheating, or the hardware failing. THIS is how it should be.. not "Top 10 things to prevent RROD." We are in the supposed "NEXT-GENERATION" Of console systems here. What the hell is next generation about the 360? The disc reader is ridiculously obnoxious. I'm not talking about the software, because the software has NOTHING to do with this thread. The ps2 had vertical & horizontal playing. You could pause a game and place the PS2 on its side, or on its ass. PLAYED FINE, DIDN'T scratch any discs.

You guys have RROD & Scratching issues because you accept it as gamers.

Wil4hire

Seriously, very well written. I know people won't read it because they are incapable of doing so, but still, good write.

my 360 is about 2 years old, no RROD, no scratched disks... Microsoft is putting 65nm in the new xboxs along with an added heatsink.Will signifigantly stop RROD.Man, guess I'm the only positive person in this entire thread.

LOL PS2 and PSONE systems failure rate is nothing compared to the 360s. Its a major DESIGN flaw. Why can't lemmings accept this?bobaban