Cows Numbers Don't LIE!!!!!! Cows have no games. Cows throwing $$$ at Uncle Phil. Cows this is EMBARRASSING!!!!!!

@AgentA-Mi6: I was joking but I now feel compelled to say that there are some inaccuracies in your statements.

"Ownage" was used for practically everything. It wasn't tied to sales or games. It was an overused phrase that was parodied even in its prime.

You're also incorrect about what held the most weight here and it wasn't sales. It was a meta game we had with game scores for exclusives being the deciding factor.

@AgentA-Mi6: Perhaps you don't really know who I am. I was here when the rules of the meta game were created. I was the primary person who facilitated them. Are you really trying to explain to me how this forum used to work? I was the main mod here for years. I'm the one who took the vote and wrote the rules for the meta game. People would always try to throw in sales numbers but they never counted for anything here as far as the meta game was concerned. You're the only one trying to rewrite history.

Historical revisionism is in full effect. Fascinating.

You see, the true console war veterans, the ones who actually bore witness to the great conflicts of our time, understand that victory was never decided by just one metric. No, it was a two-pronged offensive, an equilibrium of power between Sales Supremacy and The Metagame.

Sales Supremacy (The Material Plane of Victory)

A console’s ability to dominate NPD charts, crush its rivals in shipments, and control retail spaces wasn’t just some corporate curiosity—it was a weapon. The battlefield stretched from weekly Famitsu leaks to holiday quarter showdowns, where the victor didn’t just win numbers but dictated cultural influence.

• High sales meant dominance.
• Dominance meant momentum.
• Momentum meant a future of exclusives, developer loyalty, and endless console warrior ammunition.

The Metagame (The Intellectual's Battlefield)

But for those of us engaged in the higher form of discourse, raw numbers weren’t enough. True connoisseurs of the war engaged in the sacred practice of exclusive scorekeeping, where the Exclusive Scoring Hierarchy™ determined prestige:

• AE - 7
• AAE 8
• AAAE - 9
• AAAAE -10

Both fronts—Sales Supremacy and The Metagame—were essential to claim "victory". A console that only won one and not the other was forever caught in the "Yeah, but..." debates (see: Wii’s sales vs. its "core" game lineup, or PS3’s exclusives vs. early market struggles).

Also, I didn’t need an explantion for the term "ownage." I knew the meaning, I knew the contextual use, and so does everyone here. Refrain from inaccurate accounts of this forum, you've spent far too much time here to do so.

Not sure what move you're referring to Game Pass itself or the Activision/Blizzard acquisition? If you're referring to the Activision/Blizzard deal I personally did not like it or think MS should of done it I would of rather seen MS acquire Studios like CD Project Red and others like War Horse stuff like that. But MS wanted to get into the mobile market more as well and the deal helps them do that also.

Also you clearly have ABYSMAL business financial sense and any good economist right now would say it's strategically financial neglect in the world economic climate to not put your games on as many platforms as possible to maximize profits and cut inflation cost for your business and investors.

I don't expect Cows on here to have any logic or business sense in these regards though but you look stupid saying otherwise to these facts.

It's abysmal financial sense to continue to be an unprofitable console maker who can't support being a publisher as well when they can't sell boxes. This is an Xbox-only problem, and why Sony and Nintendo are going to reap all the benefits. Namely, the reason you can't find any peace and continue to look for any cope as to why you wasted all these years being an Xbox console warrior and embarrassingly continue to do so.

Microsoft's not doing this out of choice, it's happening BECAUSE of abysmal business decisions that came before it. LOL!

@Litchie:

Nintendont owned because they have no Forza. ;o

Clear as mud now, I hope. lol :P

In due time dude.

Sony and MS super owned because Mario.

Forza Horizon is an arcady racing game and GT is a simulator racing game that's more grounded. If this was a Forza Motorsport (PS5 version) vs GT, than it would come down to what exactly grounded racing simulator you truly want to play.

It's abysmal financial sense to continue to be an unprofitable console maker who can't support being a publisher as well when they can't sell boxes. This is an Xbox-only problem, and why Sony and Nintendo are going to reap all the benefits. Namely, the reason you can't find any peace and continue to look for any cope as to why you wasted all these years being an Xbox console warrior and embarrassingly continue to do so.

Microsoft's not doing this out of choice, it's happening BECAUSE of abysmal business decisions that came before it. LOL!

So the short of this thread is that Forza Horizon 5 is charting among the top PlayStation games. Everyone wins...

Do you think it's possible that this horizon sells better than sonys horizon? Lol

Because Sony had the larger dedicated user base for many years it's taking a bit longer for the slow down and change to happen with Sony but we are seeing it happen now with drastic drop offs in PS5 sales and the Protato 5 doing abysmal.

Most Cows are waking up to realize they're being conned by broke Sony with trash unneeded remasters and attempted live service garbage while Sony desperately tries to save money.

If you truly think Sony will continue to take losses and go into the red financially next gen you're a completer FOOL!!!!!!

Sony will absolutely continue to go 3rd party and full multiplat and will see just how many Cows jump to start getting the better financial deals with Game Pass on PC/Xbox next gen.

@BenjaminBanklin:

Momentum? The Protato 5 sales are abysmal tanking worse than Protato 4 and happening much faster and PS5 sales are down almost 50% from this time last year. That momentum is really kicking in ain't it LMFAO @ U