Criterion: NOBODY has maxed out PS3/360

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#1 Flame-Eternal
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Criterion: Nobody's maxed out PS3/360

Burnout Paradise developer Criterion reckons that developers who talk about maxing out the potential of a games console are being a bit silly.

"That's proof that you're not the best," technical director Richard Parr told Eurogamer's Digital Foundry channel. "It means you're out of ideas."

"You always find new ways to do things, the constraints lift. Not just with a new console generation but with every game you do," senior engineer Alex Fry added. "Whether it's a sequel or whether it's a new game, you learn to do things differently... better. The constraints go away because you learn. While it's nice to say you've maxed something out, there's not really any point."

Fry and Parr were speaking to Digital Foundry for today's Burnout Paradise tech retrospective, which explores the origins and processes behind one of the current generation's most respectable game engines.

Fry and Parr explain how the team set about constructing a world that performs equally well on PS3, Xbox 360 and latterly PC despite the difficulties experienced by their colleagues at other studios.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/criterion-nobodys-maxed-out-ps3-360

/fanboys.

I know it hurts, but you can leave the 360 and PS3 alone.

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#2 aflakian
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This should be obvious to everyone that's ever owned a console prior to this gen.

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#3 Flame-Eternal
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This should be obvious to everyone that's ever owned a console prior to this gen.

aflakian
yes, it should be. but I'm finding this forum is a bit short on perspective...and sound thinking.
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#4 ForsakenWicked
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This should be obvious to everyone that's ever owned a console prior to this gen.

aflakian
Totally agree.
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#5 The_Game21x
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But teh other EA developer said the 360 was maxed out! How could they have lied to me? :cry:

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Level headed Brits FTW!

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#7 BioShockOwnz
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Oh snap, Criterion has really done it now! Devs are gonna be mad that gamers found them out! But seriously, nobody has, but I believe Crytek will.

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#8 Alpha-Male22
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I was going to post this but totally forgot.

Anyways, the voice of reason has spoken.


Criterion Games, the underappreciated developers this gen forgot.

Make more games Critters!

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#9 Mckenna1845
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This should be obvious to everyone that's ever owned a console prior to this gen.

aflakian
you can even tell now look at the first 360 games, compared to now, apart from kameo the difference is massive. god of war blew me away when that came out it pretty much beat everything even on gamecube and xbox despite being on the weaker hardware.
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#10 mitu123
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Now this will be an epic thread, hopefully, I love hearing from you guys on this situation. Also, Criterion rules.

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#11 Steel-Panther
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*yawn*

I knew EA didn't know what they were talking about.

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#12 Alpha-Male22
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[QUOTE="aflakian"]

This should be obvious to everyone that's ever owned a console prior to this gen.

Mckenna1845
you can even tell now look at the first 360 games, compared to now, apart from kameo the difference is massive. god of war blew me away when that came out it pretty much beat everything even on gamecube and xbox despite being on the weaker hardware.

Yeah. What really changed for me were wrestling games. They used to be fun, but now they are garbage. But that's besides the point. When Smackdown vs. Raw 2006 came out, it totally showed the direction of the graphics. It came late in the PS2's lifecycle, but man did it make previous PS2 games look like PS1 games. I wonder what games will look like at the end of this gen's cycle
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#13 millwrought
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I lovedCriterion :D Burnout and Black FTW!

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#14 cool_beans1
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Thank goodness, someone with a bit of sense in the whole "maxed out" business.
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#15 mattbbpl
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Thank you. Any self-respecting developer knows this. I'm glad someone finally voiced it.
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#16 PSdual_wielder
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This should be obvious to everyone that's ever owned a console prior to this gen.

aflakian

This and OP seals it. I like how criterion is now dissing everyone lol, including crytek.

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#17 Flame-Eternal
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Thank goodness, someone with a bit of sense in the whole "maxed out" business. cool_beans1
indeed. we can only hope more common sense rolls into this place.
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#18 solidx12
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i m a computer science major and i knew that already

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#19 Flame-Eternal
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i m a computer science major and i knew that already

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didn't require a computer science major to know.
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#20 xscott1018
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when developers say that it is all hype. i enjoy hearing that a game has been maxed out. i just laugh about it and say no. u should look at games that first came out onto a generation then look at the newer games u will notice that newer games look far better then older games.
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#21 Kashiwaba
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There is nothing called maxed on any console even ps1 wasnt maxed consoles and computers are like humans you cant master everything if you are good in something you are average in others its the same here if they have maxed the graphics then they didnt max other things like how large area it can contain or how good is the gameplay or how interactive the environment is.

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#22 Dante2710
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epic, EA and crytek got slapped on the face......daaaaaaayuuum
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#23 subrosian
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[QUOTE="aflakian"]

This should be obvious to everyone that's ever owned a console prior to this gen.

Flame-Eternal
yes, it should be. but I'm finding this forum is a bit short on perspective...and sound thinking.

It's SW, people act like idiots. - People who are defensive of their system like to pretend that they've sat down with a spreadsheet, NPV calculator, crystal ball, and the blood of the innocent, and performed a dark ritual to discover the true value of their system. They like to pretend that magically their PS3 or Xbox 360 is going to have PS4 or Xbox 1080 graphics, that there's some deep mine shaft of magical improvements that developers could unlock "if only they weren't so lazy". - Of course games will continue to improve - Criterion is spot on - and of course we haven't reached the limit in terms of design for the 360 / PS3 - we won't know what the limit is until the end of the generation. However, arguments over "improvements" are ridiculous at their core level - if your enjoyment of games comes down to seeing the progress of technology - it's time to get a PC, or to start eagerly fantasizing about the next generation of consoles.
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#24 sikanderahmed
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ive always said that, you just cant max out consoles so early, and i again use the great example of splinter cell, the first one maxed out original xbox and then chaos theory was released......which is THE best looking game of its time....on xbox

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#25 PAL360
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this is obvious

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#26 VitunLehmat
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And the funny thing is that EA publishes their games,how dare you made EA look bad Criterion!!
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#27 Apocalypse97
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Hmm, yeah I would agree with Criterion. Anyone remember Kirby on the NES?
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#28 VitunLehmat
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I wish they could bring Black 2,that game was one of the best if not the best looking game on consoles.
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#29 RoOodriGowW
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Props to Criterion , one of the best devs this gen along with infinity ward.

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#30 iammason
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Haha naysayers just got spanked all over the world. Gotta love Burnout.
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#31 macca404
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Oh snap, Criterion has really done it now! Devs are gonna be mad that gamers found them out! But seriously, nobody has, but I believe Crytek will.

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I don't think so. There will always be some little way to squeeze more out of a console. It is impossible to just draw a line and say "Console X is maxed out" Crytek will probably come very close to squeezing everything out of the consoles but there will always be somewhere that they could have used more effecient code or something along those lines.
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#32 AdmiralBison
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But teh other EA developer said the 360 was maxed out! How could they have lied to me? :cry:

The_Game21x

I thought that was an EA executive that said that.

Here is from the technical director.

which one are we most likely to believe?

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#33 Wasdie  Moderator
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They kept pushing out more and more power out of the PS2. How did they get games like God of War and Gran Trusimo 4 on only 32 mbs of ram?

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#34 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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What he said makes a lot of sense.
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#35 santoron
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The further we go into this generation, the more I think of the Criterion crew. It's feeling almost to warm and fuzzy in this thread to be in SW though ;P
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VERY nicely said.
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#37 Vaasman
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Wow lol Criterion moved up a bit in my book for this. People saying they "Maxed" a console is such a lame PR move. Devs just say it to make it seem like their game is super advanced.

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#38 xbox360isgr8t
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i already posted this
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#39 aaronmullan
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They kept pushing out more and more power out of the PS2. How did they get games like God of War and Gran Trusimo 4 on only 32 mbs of ram?

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