Crono Cross>>> aLL

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Ramadear"] I wasn't feeling Xenogears at all, the story I consider lost potential. Every minute the story line could of been good it just threw it away. I'm sure many people think the story is good because it tries to take scriptures and make a story from them. Unfortunely, its horrible. While the game tried to deal with concepts such as reincarnation, male and female and some characters/symbols that appear in the scriptures. It was just poorly executed. I loved the music, the gameplay and the character design. But the story was absolutely pathetic. So imo CC story>>>>>>>>>XG story. redCloudJ7

Your joking right? Xenogears had far better writing than Chrono Cross on every single level.

Chrono Cross' story was nothing more than a poor attempt to combine Radical Dreamers and Chrono Triggers story. They failed miserably. Creating a pretentious, poorly written and purposely convulted storyline. That is filled with so many inconsistencies contradictions and plot holes that turns the games story into complete rubbish.

There is a difference between writing and the story it is trying to convey. I'm not sure if you understand that. Chrono Cross isn't a mix between Radical Dreamers and CT, it is Radical Dreamers made the way they wanted it to be. Which was a side story to CT. About Xenogears, it has the most atrocious story line I've ever read and perhaps you enjoyed it because you were a teenager or very young at the time. But the story itself is very empty. Many people think because it mentions God or tries to refer to religion that its *gasp* deep. But its not, it just takes concepts that the writer had no knowledge of and simply turns it into garbage. Like I mentioned before, Xenogears is potential lost. While Chrono Cross met its potential. Xenogears is a noble failure, it had so many concepts in it that with the right person writing the story it could of been good. But unfortunately it was the wrong person writing it, so it turned out lackluster.

Don't let even get me started on the sorry excuse known as the second disc. It is the worst thing I've ever seen happen in a rpg period. Xenogears story is somewhat like a yarn, how the person has the potential to make a complex and beautiful blanket out it. Instead Xenogears takes tons of yarn and just tangles it together and calls it a story. Chrono Cross was woven, Xenogears was tangled. There is a big difference.

:lol: LMFAO. Oh man.........I should have seen that coming. :lol: I honestly didn't think you would do it. I love how you skipped the MAJORITY of my previous post and only responded to the part that you wanted to.

:lol: What happened Ramadear? Why did you ignore the majority of my previous post?

Ramadear, you keep repeating the same thing over and over again (Like a broken record) without providing any examples or reasons. You say Xenogears has the most atrocious storyline you've ever read. Why? You don't provide any reasons or examples at all.

What did the writer not have knowledge about? What did he turn into garbage? Why is Xenogears lost potential? A noble failure.

You did nothing but moan and groan that Xenogears storyline was garbage without any actual reasons or explanations.

While I actually provided reasons and examples of why Chrono Cross' "story" is flawed, inconsitent, purposely convulted, full of contradicitions and large unexplained story elements.

That you, purposely ignored.

Because your post only consisted mostly of quotes from CC followed by short thoughts about them. If you were expecting me to quote and respond to all that, then sorry to disappoint you but I wouldn't have time to write a essay in order to try to defend a game. Like I said initially, I respect your thoughts if you do or do not like CC. Its not my problem if you do or don't. But like I said before, to me CC is much better than XG.

XG starts out good, it tried to build up suspense and mystery. But after the village was attacked by gears the game falls apart instantly. Most of the game consists of large amounts of incoherent rhetoric, in fact most of the time you are spending 20mins or so having to read it. Whats bad about it was, that it wasn't good. And it tried to take concepts from scriptures and put a anime spin on it, which didn't work well. Why? Because like the mass majority the writer has zero understanding of the scriptures and like many look at them in a external manner i.e the letter that killeth. If he had the knowledge that all those signs and symbols are a relation to ones inner self and not some external event then he could of did a much better job with the story, in a sense that the literal portion makes sense. The trend also continues in Xenosaga, for example Gnosis. It means inner knowledge that you experience, however in Xenosaga they take the name and simply makes it a monster. Every term that is used in the Xeno games that relates to anything from scriptures does this. Which is why I call it potential lost, because if he was the right type of individual he could of made the story into something meaningful that a indivdual could apply to themselves. In fact, Chrono Cross has more in common with scriptures than Xenogears does and it didn't even try to do that. I could go into it a lot more but it would be moved into a off topic forum or removed from all of them.

Also, did you notice how you condemened me for not quoting and replying to your entire post? If you didn't notice, you did the exact samething with CC. Took a few quotes from a entire script and wrote only about that portion.

Because your post only consisted mostly of quotes from CC followed by short thoughts about them.Ramadear

WTF are you talking about? I showed complete contradictions within the games storyline. I showed how large chunks of the story were left unexplained. And Igave multiple examples of inconsitiencies and you completely ignored them.

If you were expecting me to quote and respond to all that, then sorry to disappoint you but I wouldn't have time to write a essay in order to try to defend a game. Ramadear

You didn't counter any of my points at all. Not a single one. I have to admit that was a wise decision. Seeing as how I most likely have a better understanding of the games storyline.

Like I said initially, I respect your thoughts if you do or do not like CC. Its not my problem if you do or don't. But like I said before, to me CC is much better than XG. Ramadear

It's your opinion. But I honestly don't see how any one could think Chrono Cross' storyline is good.

XG starts out good, it tried to build up suspense and mystery. But after the village was attacked by gears the game falls apart instantly. Ramadear

How did the game instantly fall apart?

Most of the game consists of large amounts of incoherent rhetoric, in fact most of the time you are spending 20mins or so having to read it. Ramadear

What incoherent rhetoric are you refering to? Spending twenty minutes to read, exaggerating are we ? Sure it took longer than many other jrpgs that why Xenogears actually had some developed characters. But twenty minutes of dialouge consistently throughout the game quit BSing me. Either your exaggerating or you need Hooked on Phonics.

The only time when the dialouge and story in the game took around or above twenty minutes of dialouge and story is during the games second disk.

Whats bad about it was, that it wasn't good. And it tried to take concepts from scriptures and put a anime spin on it, which didn't work well. Why? Because like the mass majority the writer has zero understanding of the scriptures and like many look at them in a external manner i.e the letter that killeth. If he had the knowledge that all those signs and symbols are a relation to ones innerself and no some external event then he could of did a much better job with the story, in a sense that the literal portion makes sense.The trend also continues in Xenosaga, for example Gnosis. It means inner knowledge that you experience, however in Xenosaga they take the name and simply makes it a monster. Every term that is used in the Xeno games that relates to anything from scriptures does this. Which is why I call it potential lost, because if he was the right type of individual he could of made the story into something meaningful that a indivdual could apply to themselves.In fact, Chrono Cross has more in common with scriptures than Xenogears does and it didn't even try to do that. I could go into it a lot more but it would be moved into a off topic forum or removed from all of them. Ramadear

You bring up some good points. But I think the writers point was to put his own little anime twist on to the story. Not to be literal or accurate by any means.

It seems that you had wrong expectations for Xenogears. If your looking for something very meaningful to apply to yourself, video games are really the last place you should be looking.

Also, did you notice how you condemened me for not quoting and replying to your entire post? If you didn't notice, you did the exact samething with CC. Took a few quotes from a entire script and wrote only about that portion. Ramadear

Actually you quoted 1/5 of my post. And only replied to that 1/5th. Did you notice that after you did that, I quoted all of your next response but, I only responded to part of your next response. Why do you think i did that?

Chrono Trigger>>>>Chrono Crossgoblaa

Seconded.

Second post in a row I'll say this

KotOR > jpgs

thank you :)

ps. I accept all flames c/o crazy world where jrpgs are good

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Ramadear"] I wasn't feeling Xenogears at all, the story I consider lost potential. Every minute the story line could of been good it just threw it away. I'm sure many people think the story is good because it tries to take scriptures and make a story from them. Unfortunely, its horrible. While the game tried to deal with concepts such as reincarnation, male and female and some characters/symbols that appear in the scriptures. It was just poorly executed. I loved the music, the gameplay and the character design. But the story was absolutely pathetic. So imo CC story>>>>>>>>>XG story. Ramadear

Your joking right? Xenogears had far better writing than Chrono Cross on every single level.

Chrono Cross' story was nothing more than a poor attempt to combine Radical Dreamers and Chrono Triggers story. They failed miserably. Creating a pretentious, poorly written and purposely convulted storyline. That is filled with so many inconsistencies contradictions and plot holes that turns the games story into complete rubbish.

There is a difference between writing and the story it is trying to convey. I'm not sure if you understand that. Chrono Cross isn't a mix between Radical Dreamers and CT, it is Radical Dreamers made the way they wanted it to be. Which was a side story to CT. About Xenogears, it has the most atrocious story line I've ever read and perhaps you enjoyed it because you were a teenager or very young at the time. But the story itself is very empty. Many people think because it mentions God or tries to refer to religion that its *gasp* deep. But its not, it just takes concepts that the writer had no knowledge of and simply turns it into garbage. Like I mentioned before, Xenogears is potential lost. While Chrono Cross met its potential. Xenogears is a noble failure, it had so many concepts in it that with the right person writing the story it could of been good. But unfortunately it was the wrong person writing it, so it turned out lackluster.

Don't let even get me started on the sorry excuse known as the second disc. It is the worst thing I've ever seen happen in a rpg period. Xenogears story is somewhat like a yarn, how the person has the potential to make a complex and beautiful blanket out it. Instead Xenogears takes tons of yarn and just tangles it together and calls it a story. Chrono Cross was woven, Xenogears was tangled. There is a big difference.

:lol: LMFAO. Oh man.........I should have seen that coming. :lol: I honestly didn't think you would do it. I love how you skipped the MAJORITY of my previous post and only responded to the part that you wanted to.

:lol: What happened Ramadear? Why did you ignore the majority of my previous post?

Ramadear, you keep repeating the same thing over and over again (Like a broken record) without providing any examples or reasons. You say Xenogears has the most atrocious storyline you've ever read. Why? You don't provide any reasons or examples at all.

What did the writer not have knowledge about? What did he turn into garbage? Why is Xenogears lost potential? A noble failure.

You did nothing but moan and groan that Xenogears storyline was garbage without any actual reasons or explanations.

While I actually provided reasons and examples of why Chrono Cross' "story" is flawed, inconsitent, purposely convulted, full of contradicitions and large unexplained story elements.

That you, purposely ignored.

Because your post only consisted mostly of quotes from CC followed by short thoughts about them. If you were expecting me to quote and respond to all that, then sorry to disappoint you but I wouldn't have time to write a essay in order to try to defend a game. Like I said initially, I respect your thoughts if you do or do not like CC. Its not my problem if you do or don't. But like I said before, to me CC is much better than XG.

XG starts out good, it tried to build up suspense and mystery. But after the village was attacked by gears the game falls apart instantly. Most of the game consists of large amounts of incoherent rhetoric, in fact most of the time you are spending 20mins or so having to read it. Whats bad about it was, that it wasn't good. And it tried to take concepts from scriptures and put a anime spin on it, which didn't work well. Why? Because like the mass majority the writer has zero understanding of the scriptures and like many look at them in a external manner i.e the letter that killeth. If he had the knowledge that all those signs and symbols are a relation to ones inner self and not some external event then he could of did a much better job with the story, in a sense that the literal portion makes sense. The trend also continues in Xenosaga, for example Gnosis. It means inner knowledge that you experience, however in Xenosaga they take the name and simply makes it a monster. Every term that is used in the Xeno games that relates to anything from scriptures does this. Which is why I call it potential lost, because if he was the right type of individual he could of made the story into something meaningful that a indivdual could apply to themselves. In fact, Chrono Cross has more in common with scriptures than Xenogears does and it didn't even try to do that. I could go into it a lot more but it would be moved into a off topic forum or removed from all of them.

Also, did you notice how you condemened me for not quoting and replying to your entire post? If you didn't notice, you did the exact samething with CC. Took a few quotes from a entire script and wrote only about that portion.

Sorry The story Of Xenogears is just too far beyond you to understand so you dismiss it as a failure. Xenogears Story is simply sublime rife with rich characters that are nothing short of timeless. To have a character peged as the "Destroyer of God" and yet for you to spend upwards of 60 hours with him as your main is just breathtaking. Every characters feelings are expressed like poetry in mothion. The concepts of the Lambs and thier masters had to be understood to be felt. (thats referance to the way that modern society lives namely americanism and how it destroys other cultures.) There are moment of assumed betrayal and loyalties that are twised in hard truths where they express how one cannot possibly make everyone in life happy (The Citan Story arch is nothing shot of greater that the entire CC storyline) There are drug addictions something that many of us can relate to becuase we have seen thier effects on someone close to us. There are issues of canabalism and of governments manipulating societes into beleiving truths that simply do not exist. There are characters that would do ANYTHING to simply be like everyone else who are manipulated into fighting and killing those that they love.

The Story of Xeno Gears is one of unending universal truths. It is a story that any educated adult (such as myself) can learn from, can study and can truly appreciate. It is the greatest RPG story of All time in my opinion and for anyone to call it a failure is simpy assinine.

CC is a shodow of Xenogears. Period

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Ramadear"] I wasn't feeling Xenogears at all, the story I consider lost potential. Every minute the story line could of been good it just threw it away. I'm sure many people think the story is good because it tries to take scriptures and make a story from them. Unfortunely, its horrible. While the game tried to deal with concepts such as reincarnation, male and female and some characters/symbols that appear in the scriptures. It was just poorly executed. I loved the music, the gameplay and the character design. But the story was absolutely pathetic. So imo CC story>>>>>>>>>XG story. Ramadear

Your joking right? Xenogears had far better writing than Chrono Cross on every single level.

Chrono Cross' story was nothing more than a poor attempt to combine Radical Dreamers and Chrono Triggers story. They failed miserably. Creating a pretentious, poorly written and purposely convulted storyline. That is filled with so many inconsistencies contradictions and plot holes that turns the games story into complete rubbish.

There is a difference between writing and the story it is trying to convey. I'm not sure if you understand that. Chrono Cross isn't a mix between Radical Dreamers and CT, it is Radical Dreamers made the way they wanted it to be. Which was a side story to CT. About Xenogears, it has the most atrocious story line I've ever read and perhaps you enjoyed it because you were a teenager or very young at the time. But the story itself is very empty. Many people think because it mentions God or tries to refer to religion that its *gasp* deep. But its not, it just takes concepts that the writer had no knowledge of and simply turns it into garbage. Like I mentioned before, Xenogears is potential lost. While Chrono Cross met its potential. Xenogears is a noble failure, it had so many concepts in it that with the right person writing the story it could of been good. But unfortunately it was the wrong person writing it, so it turned out lackluster.

Don't let even get me started on the sorry excuse known as the second disc. It is the worst thing I've ever seen happen in a rpg period. Xenogears story is somewhat like a yarn, how the person has the potential to make a complex and beautiful blanket out it. Instead Xenogears takes tons of yarn and just tangles it together and calls it a story. Chrono Cross was woven, Xenogears was tangled. There is a big difference.

:lol: LMFAO. Oh man.........I should have seen that coming. :lol: I honestly didn't think you would do it. I love how you skipped the MAJORITY of my previous post and only responded to the part that you wanted to.

:lol: What happened Ramadear? Why did you ignore the majority of my previous post?

Ramadear, you keep repeating the same thing over and over again (Like a broken record) without providing any examples or reasons. You say Xenogears has the most atrocious storyline you've ever read. Why? You don't provide any reasons or examples at all.

What did the writer not have knowledge about? What did he turn into garbage? Why is Xenogears lost potential? A noble failure.

You did nothing but moan and groan that Xenogears storyline was garbage without any actual reasons or explanations.

While I actually provided reasons and examples of why Chrono Cross' "story" is flawed, inconsitent, purposely convulted, full of contradicitions and large unexplained story elements.

That you, purposely ignored.

Because your post only consisted mostly of quotes from CC followed by short thoughts about them. If you were expecting me to quote and respond to all that, then sorry to disappoint you but I wouldn't have time to write a essay in order to try to defend a game. Like I said initially, I respect your thoughts if you do or do not like CC. Its not my problem if you do or don't. But like I said before, to me CC is much better than XG.

XG starts out good, it tried to build up suspense and mystery. But after the village was attacked by gears the game falls apart instantly. Most of the game consists of large amounts of incoherent rhetoric, in fact most of the time you are spending 20mins or so having to read it. Whats bad about it was, that it wasn't good. And it tried to take concepts from scriptures and put a anime spin on it, which didn't work well. Why? Because like the mass majority the writer has zero understanding of the scriptures and like many look at them in a external manner i.e the letter that killeth. If he had the knowledge that all those signs and symbols are a relation to ones inner self and not some external event then he could of did a much better job with the story, in a sense that the literal portion makes sense. The trend also continues in Xenosaga, for example Gnosis. It means inner knowledge that you experience, however in Xenosaga they take the name and simply makes it a monster. Every term that is used in the Xeno games that relates to anything from scriptures does this. Which is why I call it potential lost, because if he was the right type of individual he could of made the story into something meaningful that a indivdual could apply to themselves. In fact, Chrono Cross has more in common with scriptures than Xenogears does and it didn't even try to do that. I could go into it a lot more but it would be moved into a off topic forum or removed from all of them.

Also, did you notice how you condemened me for not quoting and replying to your entire post? If you didn't notice, you did the exact samething with CC. Took a few quotes from a entire script and wrote only about that portion.

You were good for a second until you started showing us that you really did not play through The Xenosaga Series at all did you? You bash the Idea of the Gnosis saying that it means "Inner Knowledge that you experience" and that they just turned that word into monsters in the game. Ha thats funny you really do not know what the Gnosis even are do you?

The Gnosis (MAJOR SPOILER FROM EPISODE 3)

They are explained as being the "Knowlege" of people that had lived and learned to reject the truths of the world. They were summomed by Shions "Experiences". So yeah these monsters were much more than you though. Next time do yourslef a major favor and actually complete the games you are trying to bash you would come off a bit brighter. thanks

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Ramadear"] I wasn't feeling Xenogears at all, the story I consider lost potential. Every minute the story line could of been good it just threw it away. I'm sure many people think the story is good because it tries to take scriptures and make a story from them. Unfortunely, its horrible. While the game tried to deal with concepts such as reincarnation, male and female and some characters/symbols that appear in the scriptures. It was just poorly executed. I loved the music, the gameplay and the character design. But the story was absolutely pathetic. So imo CC story>>>>>>>>>XG story. mojito1988

Your joking right? Xenogears had far better writing than Chrono Cross on every single level.

Chrono Cross' story was nothing more than a poor attempt to combine Radical Dreamers and Chrono Triggers story. They failed miserably. Creating a pretentious, poorly written and purposely convulted storyline. That is filled with so many inconsistencies contradictions and plot holes that turns the games story into complete rubbish.

There is a difference between writing and the story it is trying to convey. I'm not sure if you understand that. Chrono Cross isn't a mix between Radical Dreamers and CT, it is Radical Dreamers made the way they wanted it to be. Which was a side story to CT. About Xenogears, it has the most atrocious story line I've ever read and perhaps you enjoyed it because you were a teenager or very young at the time. But the story itself is very empty. Many people think because it mentions God or tries to refer to religion that its *gasp* deep. But its not, it just takes concepts that the writer had no knowledge of and simply turns it into garbage. Like I mentioned before, Xenogears is potential lost. While Chrono Cross met its potential. Xenogears is a noble failure, it had so many concepts in it that with the right person writing the story it could of been good. But unfortunately it was the wrong person writing it, so it turned out lackluster.

Don't let even get me started on the sorry excuse known as the second disc. It is the worst thing I've ever seen happen in a rpg period. Xenogears story is somewhat like a yarn, how the person has the potential to make a complex and beautiful blanket out it. Instead Xenogears takes tons of yarn and just tangles it together and calls it a story. Chrono Cross was woven, Xenogears was tangled. There is a big difference.

:lol: LMFAO. Oh man.........I should have seen that coming. :lol: I honestly didn't think you would do it. I love how you skipped the MAJORITY of my previous post and only responded to the part that you wanted to.

:lol: What happened Ramadear? Why did you ignore the majority of my previous post?

Ramadear, you keep repeating the same thing over and over again (Like a broken record) without providing any examples or reasons. You say Xenogears has the most atrocious storyline you've ever read. Why? You don't provide any reasons or examples at all.

What did the writer not have knowledge about? What did he turn into garbage? Why is Xenogears lost potential? A noble failure.

You did nothing but moan and groan that Xenogears storyline was garbage without any actual reasons or explanations.

While I actually provided reasons and examples of why Chrono Cross' "story" is flawed, inconsitent, purposely convulted, full of contradicitions and large unexplained story elements.

That you, purposely ignored.

Because your post only consisted mostly of quotes from CC followed by short thoughts about them. If you were expecting me to quote and respond to all that, then sorry to disappoint you but I wouldn't have time to write a essay in order to try to defend a game. Like I said initially, I respect your thoughts if you do or do not like CC. Its not my problem if you do or don't. But like I said before, to me CC is much better than XG.

XG starts out good, it tried to build up suspense and mystery. But after the village was attacked by gears the game falls apart instantly. Most of the game consists of large amounts of incoherent rhetoric, in fact most of the time you are spending 20mins or so having to read it. Whats bad about it was, that it wasn't good. And it tried to take concepts from scriptures and put a anime spin on it, which didn't work well. Why? Because like the mass majority the writer has zero understanding of the scriptures and like many look at them in a external manner i.e the letter that killeth. If he had the knowledge that all those signs and symbols are a relation to ones inner self and not some external event then he could of did a much better job with the story, in a sense that the literal portion makes sense. The trend also continues in Xenosaga, for example Gnosis. It means inner knowledge that you experience, however in Xenosaga they take the name and simply makes it a monster. Every term that is used in the Xeno games that relates to anything from scriptures does this. Which is why I call it potential lost, because if he was the right type of individual he could of made the story into something meaningful that a indivdual could apply to themselves. In fact, Chrono Cross has more in common with scriptures than Xenogears does and it didn't even try to do that. I could go into it a lot more but it would be moved into a off topic forum or removed from all of them.

Also, did you notice how you condemened me for not quoting and replying to your entire post? If you didn't notice, you did the exact samething with CC. Took a few quotes from a entire script and wrote only about that portion.

You were good for a second until you started showing us that you really did not play through The Xenosaga Series at all did you? You bash the Idea of the Gnosis saying that it means "Inner Knowledge that you experience" and that they just turned that word into monsters in the game. Ha thats funny you really do not know what the Gnosis even are do you?

The Gnosis (MAJOR SPOILER FROM EPISODE 3)

They are explained as being the "Knowlege" of people that had lived and learned to reject the truths of the world. They were summomed by Shions "Experiences". So yeah these monsters were much more than you though. Next time do yourslef a major favor and actually complete the games you are trying to bash you would come off a bit brighter. thanks

Like I wrote initially, Gnosis in Xenosaga has nothing to do with what Gnosis is. Just because it borrows upon the words does not make it what its trying to borrow upon. The only thing you have pointed out is that it uses words that I've named, thats it.

Sorry The story Of Xenogears is just too far beyond you to understand so you dismiss it as a failure. Xenogears Story is simply sublime rife with rich characters that are nothing short of timeless. To have a character peged as the "Destroyer of God" and yet for you to spend upwards of 60 hours with him as your main is just breathtaking. Every characters feelings are expressed like poetry in mothion. The concepts of the Lambs and thier masters had to be understood to be felt. (thats referance to the way that modern society lives namely americanism and how it destroys other cultures.) There are moment of assumed betrayal and loyalties that are twised in hard truths where they express how one cannot possibly make everyone in life happy (The Citan Story arch is nothing shot of greater that the entire CC storyline) There are drug addictions something that many of us can relate to becuase we have seen thier effects on someone close to us. There are issues of canabalism and of governments manipulating societes into beleiving truths that simply do not exist. There are characters that would do ANYTHING to simply be like everyone else who are manipulated into fighting and killing those that they love.

The Story of Xeno Gears is one of unending universal truths. It is a story that any educated adult (such as myself) can learn from, can study and can truly appreciate. It is the greatest RPG story of All time in my opinion and for anyone to call it a failure is simpy assinine.

CC is a shodow of Xenogears. Period

mojito1988

I've heard this one before, the "Xenogears" is just too far beyond you to understand etc. That quote could be done with any game as a mechanism of defense to belittle another persons opinion on it. Just because the writer made a character "destroyer of God" and you get to play as him doesn't automatically make the story good. But guess what? All the examples you have given trying to show the high points of the game have already been done in games before it, its not unheard of for a writer to incorporate themes that take place in society into a game. Unfortunately with Xenogears I didn't find any of the themes they tried to tackled engaging. I don't think it was ever a point during the time when I was playing the game that I was invoked to find out whats going to happen next. I forced myself to beat the game because I had already spent $50 on it.

What is a "educated adult" btw? Elaborate.

Very good. Not amazing.

8.8 in my book.

WTF are you talking about? I showed complete contradictions within the games storyline. I showed how large chunks of the story were left unexplained. And Igave multiple examples of inconsitiencies and you completely ignored them.redCloudJ7

Red,

Every story has contradictions and inconsistencies. Anything a man makes does since he himself is fragmented and flawed. A creation can only become as its creator. The same can be said for anything man creates. So what about it? This is what you have essentially been writing to me this whole time, to point out something that exists in everything man creates.

[QUOTE="mojito1988"]Sorry The story Of Xenogears is just too far beyond you to understand so you dismiss it as a failure. Xenogears Story is simply sublime rife with rich characters that are nothing short of timeless. To have a character peged as the "Destroyer of God" and yet for you to spend upwards of 60 hours with him as your main is just breathtaking. Every characters feelings are expressed like poetry in mothion. The concepts of the Lambs and thier masters had to be understood to be felt. (thats referance to the way that modern society lives namely americanism and how it destroys other cultures.) There are moment of assumed betrayal and loyalties that are twised in hard truths where they express how one cannot possibly make everyone in life happy (The Citan Story arch is nothing shot of greater that the entire CC storyline) There are drug addictions something that many of us can relate to becuase we have seen thier effects on someone close to us. There are issues of canabalism and of governments manipulating societes into beleiving truths that simply do not exist. There are characters that would do ANYTHING to simply be like everyone else who are manipulated into fighting and killing those that they love.

The Story of Xeno Gears is one of unending universal truths. It is a story that any educated adult (such as myself) can learn from, can study and can truly appreciate. It is the greatest RPG story of All time in my opinion and for anyone to call it a failure is simpy assinine.

CC is a shodow of Xenogears. Period

Ramadear

I've heard this one before, the "Xenogears" is just too far beyond you to understand etc. That quote could be done with any game as a mechanism of defense to belittle another persons opinion on it. Just because the writer made a character "destroyer of God" and you get to play as him doesn't automatically make the story good. But guess what? All the examples you have given trying to show the high points of the game have already been done in games before it, its not unheard of for a writer to incorporate themes that take place in society into a game. Unfortunately with Xenogears I didn't find any of the themes they tried to tackled engaging. I don't think it was ever a point during the time when I was playing the game that I was invoked to find out whats going to happen next. I forced myself to beat the game because I had already spent $50 on it.

What is a "educated adult" btw? Elaborate.

I will appolagize of the rude part of my comment as that was childish (as we all can get when we get excited about a game). I think we can just agree to disagree. Xenogears is a game you either REALLY love the Story or you Really do not love the story. Just like CC is a game that people either REALLY like it or they kinda dont. It is just personal taste. That they can be so hotly debated this many years later means that they really are very successful games in their own right. ^^

Chrono Cross IS AWesome

but FFVII>>>>>>>> Chrono corss

Chrono Cross IS AWesome

but FFVII>>>>>>>> Chrono corss

flashattackfina

Im not even going to go there. Those words will probably get you flamed in this thread.

Chrono Cross IS AWesome

but FFVII>>>>>>>> Chrono corss

flashattackfina

lol this is the first ff post in here. Sorry but in this particular thread Final fantasy has no legs (It was refreshing to not hear the endless final fantasy banter for a change), but all good things must end lol.

Chrono Cross IS AWesome

but FFVII>>>>>>>> Chrono corss

flashattackfina

I think Chrono Cross was better than 7, but I'd put 9 just above Chrono Cross.

I should really go beat Xenogears someday. I was about 32 hours in before my card decided to erase itself.

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Chrono Cross IS AWesome

but FFVII>>>>>>>> Chrono corss

Jandurin

I think Chrono Cross was better than 7, but I'd put 9 just above Chrono Cross.

I should really go beat Xenogears someday. I was about 32 hours in before my card decided to erase itself.

Woops bad card!

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]WTF are you talking about? I showed complete contradictions within the games storyline. I showed how large chunks of the story were left unexplained. And I gave multiple examples of inconstancies and you completely ignored them.Ramadear

Red,

Every story has contradictions and inconsistencies. Anything a man makes does since he himself is fragmented and flawed. A creation can only become as its creator. The same can be said for anything man creates. So what about it? This is what you have essentially been writing to me this whole time, to point out something that exists in everything man creates.

Its obvious that no story is by any means perfect. But If you actually read and responded to my previous post regarding the games flaws. You would have seen that the game doesn't just contain five to ten flaws. No, the game is littered with flaws, contradictions, inconstancies, and large chunks of the story are left unexplained.

This isn't just one instance. This happens over and over again throughout the entire storyline. The story was loosely written and it shows. The writing and storyline of Chrono Cross is absolutely awful. I honestly don't think I have played another JRPG with a storyline as flawed as Chrono Cross.

Second post in a row I'll say this

KotOR > jpgs

thank you :)

ps. I accept all flames c/o crazy world where jrpgs are good

kayn83

Chrono Cross IS AWesome

but FFVII>>>>>>>> Chrono corss

flashattackfina