Crysis 2 A.I is dumb, totally.

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#1 Ravenchrome
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Intentional violation of standard grammar.

From the leaked gameplay...

Human enemy A.Is don't seem to have a believable situational awareness.

In one instance, a human A.I(enemy) doesn't realize the presence of the player, even when he is standing close to the A.I's back without "cloak mode" on.

If this "defect" persists in the retail launch, Crysis 2 will utterly fail.

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#2 glenn2709
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The human enemy in Crysis 1 were pretty stupid as well, but the Aliens were good!
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#3 DeckardLee2010
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Why not just wait and see if the retail version has better AI?

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#4 DethSkematik
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If I'm reading that right, you don't always need cloak to sneak behind someone undetected :P.
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#5 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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Crytek always had smart ai that never really worked properly, thus making them appear incredibly stupid.
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#6 deactivated-6079d224de716
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Crytek always had smart ai that never really worked properly, thus making them appear incredibly stupid. SAGE_OF_FIRE
Just like Metro 2033. I've read some documents on it's AI implementation and it looked really amazing on paper. In the game enemies are incredibly dumb though.
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#7 markop2003
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The human enemy in Crysis 1 were pretty stupid as well, but the Aliens were good!glenn2709
They weren't seamless but they were ok. I think this stems from the fact that to allow cloak mode and camoflage to work you have to make it so the enemies can't see the player even when they're looking driectly at them without a solid object in the way. Logicaly the enemies won't see you when you're behind them, the question is whether they can hear you move.
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#8 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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So you're saying you're coming to the conclusion that the A.I is terrible from a leaked unfinished Beta. Wow thats almost as bad as saying a game sucks because of its demo

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#9 Locutus_Picard
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Blame the 360. On the PS3 you could have an entire SPU dedicated to A.I. but on the 360...:(
Gimping down to the lowest common denominator again...

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#10 110million
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What difficulty was it on? I plan to play on hardest like I did in Crysis.
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#11 NWA90s
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the AI seems good so far, at least the alien one. I believe crytek released a video about the Ai showing how it would behave, search for you etc
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#12 rpgs_shall_rule
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If I'm reading that right, you don't always need cloak to sneak behind someone undetected :P. DethSkematik

Pretty much this... because soldiers don't have spidey-senses means their AI is defective?

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#13 AnnoyedDragon
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People were complaining about the AI's ability to detect you in a bush at great distance, now they are complaining they don't detect you sneaking up behind them?

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#14 Elann2008
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So you're judging on the game from leaked gameplay in beta form? :lol: Nice trollin'. Come back when the game has officially released.
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#15 mitu123
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I wouldn't use the leaked beta, hell, it's not even close to being finished, and have you seen the aliens, they have great a.i., I played it after all.

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#16 -Unreal-
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Can you show me the video you watched that led you to this conclusion?

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#17 gameofthering
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Intentional violation of standard grammar.

From the leaked gameplay...

Human enemy A.Is don't seem to have a believable situational awareness.

In one instance, a human A.I(enemy) doesn't realize the presence of the player, even when he is standing close to the A.I's back without "cloak mode" on.

If this "defect" persists in the retail launch, Crysis 2 will utterly fail.

Ravenchrome

That happens in real life.

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#18 dakan45
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Intentional violation of standard grammar.

From the leaked gameplay...

Human enemy A.Is don't seem to have a believable situational awareness.

In one instance, a human A.I(enemy) doesn't realize the presence of the player, even when he is standing close to the A.I's back without "cloak mode" on.

If this "defect" persists in the retail launch, Crysis 2 will utterly fail.

Ravenchrome

First, crysis did not have a believable human ai. Seriously their movements and reactions felt suitable to robots than humans.

Second, the last crysis 2 trailer has what you describe and i thought it looked prety stupid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4_Sa-vc7BU

0:45, "there is nothing out there"

0:57 "do you copy?"

Seriously what the hell? So far i can tell that crytek has done it again with their simple and very specific scripting. I want human belivable ai. Not ai that can detect you from a bazillion miles away, not ai with super accuracy that hit you from miles away before even raising their weapons, not ai that sprint strafes sideways and dodges bullets or have some short of spidey sense and get alerted with incorect dialogues once you get close.

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#19 rolo107
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That is major suckage, for the console versions! The PC versions will get an AI mod in like a month. ;)
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#20 speedfog
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Blame the 360. On the PS3 you could have an entire SPU dedicated to A.I. but on the 360...:(
Gimping down to the lowest common denominator again...

Locutus_Picard

Uhum...?

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#21 johny300
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KZ2 has better AI *waits for an attack lol*.
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#22 percech
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It's just a beta. Does it tell you in the beta that there a bunch of times where the enemy soldier/alien is completely frozen and out of place? Get over it.
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#23 coreybg
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So TC, are you trying to say that if someone sneaked behind you in real life without being invisible (impossible rite?) and stood behind you without moving, you would see/hear him without turning arround?

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#24 tagyhag
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> Judges AI based on a leaked beta. > Judges AI due to the AI not being able to do something real humans can't do either. Well, I should take my leave. :P
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#25 Ravenchrome
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Is it wrong to voice my concern?

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#26 dakan45
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So TC, are you trying to say that if someone sneaked behind you in real life without being invisible (impossible rite?) and stood behind you without moving, you would see/hear him without turning arround?

coreybg

yeah, all those reallistic tatctical shooters are STOOPID. There is no such thing as close range stealth kills :P

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#27 Zero_epyon
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Intentional violation of standard grammar.

From the leaked gameplay...

Human enemy A.Is don't seem to have a believable situational awareness.

In one instance, a human A.I(enemy) doesn't realize the presence of the player, even when he is standing close to the A.I's back without "cloak mode" on.

If this "defect" persists in the retail launch, Crysis 2 will utterly fail.

Ravenchrome
Wait so you can always tell when someone is sneaking up behind you not making a sound or motion? That's a pretty bad argument.
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#28 DragonfireXZ95
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Apparently AI is dumb in multiplayer games too because I can sneak up and knife the AI from behind in BC2 multiplayer all the time.

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#29 mitu123
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Apparently AI is dumb in multiplayer games too because I can sneak up and knife people from behind in BC2 all the time.DragonfireXZ95
This as well, I knife 4 Recons in a row in fact.XD
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#30 -Unreal-
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Apparently AI is dumb in multiplayer games too because I can sneak up and knife people from behind in BC2 all the time.DragonfireXZ95
AI is artificial. People aren't.
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#31 percech
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Apparently AI is dumb in multiplayer games too because I can sneak up and knife people from behind in BC2 all the time.-Unreal-
AI is artificial. People aren't.

Thanks, he did not know that.
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#32 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Apparently AI is dumb in multiplayer games too because I can sneak up and knife people from behind in BC2 all the time.-Unreal-
AI is artificial. People aren't.

You missed the joke.
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#33 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Apparently AI is dumb in multiplayer games too because I can sneak up and knife people from behind in BC2 all the time.-Unreal-
AI is artificial. People aren't.

That's the point. You can sneak up on people all the time if done properly and not invisible. Why should human AI be any different?
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#34 theuncharted34
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I'm playing through crysis, and yeah the korean's aren't too bright :P

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#35 Zero_epyon
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I'm playing through crysis, and yeah the korean's aren't too bright :P

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When you get further the enemies won't be so easy. I think they did this intentionally lol.
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#36 theuncharted34
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KZ2 has better AI *waits for an attack lol*.johny300

but it really does lol had some fierce AI :)

I hope kz3's aI isn't too much better D:

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#37 deactivated-59d151f079814
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............................... Wait how is that a defect? If your not making any sound or casting a shadow over him, why should they automatically realize some one is behind them? Do they have rear view mirrors or something?
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#38 johny300
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I'm playing through crysis, and yeah the korean's aren't too bright :P

theuncharted34

Wait you're playing crysis :oholy s*** dude, which crysis? and are you playing it on max settings ?

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#39 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="johny300"]KZ2 has better AI *waits for an attack lol*.theuncharted34

but it really does lol had some fierce AI :)

I hope kz3's aI isn't too much better D:

Based on the demo it might be. I loved KZ2's A.I. I've experienced few games where A.I. jump from cover to cover to get a flank going while another gives covering fire. You never expect it in an fps so you never see it coming those first few times.
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#40 mitu123
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[QUOTE="johny300"]KZ2 has better AI *waits for an attack lol*.theuncharted34

but it really does lol had some fierce AI :)

I hope kz3's aI isn't too much better D:

Going by the demo, KZ3's a.i. is actually better than KZ2.
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#41 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I'm playing through crysis, and yeah the korean's aren't too bright :P

johny300

Wait you're playing crysis :oholy s*** dude, which crysis? and are you playing it on max settings ?

the first crysis, at 1080p, max settings, no AA, and get an average of 30fps 8)

it's really a great game :D

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#42 mitu123
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I'm playing through crysis, and yeah the korean's aren't too bright :P

johny300

Wait you're playing crysis :oholy s*** dude, which crysis? and are you playing it on max settings ?

Can you run Crysis?=p

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#43 bobbetybob
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Hurp durp, it's an unfinished beta.
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#44 theuncharted34
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^^ ah well i guess it's a good thing the AI may be better in kz3 :P

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#45 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="johny300"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I'm playing through crysis, and yeah the korean's aren't too bright :P

mitu123

Wait you're playing crysis :oholy s*** dude, which crysis? and are you playing it on max settings ?

Can you run Crysis?=p

I'm pretty sure he's not a graphics card :P

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#46 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I'm playing through crysis, and yeah the korean's aren't too bright :P

mitu123

Wait you're playing crysis :oholy s*** dude, which crysis? and are you playing it on max settings ?

Can you run Crysis?=p

I'm not a PC so i can't jk :P, yes but on my brothers PC.
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#47 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I'm playing through crysis, and yeah the korean's aren't too bright :P

theuncharted34

Wait you're playing crysis :oholy s*** dude, which crysis? and are you playing it on max settings ?

the first crysis, at 1080p, max settings, no AA, and get an average of 30fps 8)

it's really a great game :D

No AA damn :P.
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That's one of the big reasons I'm going with KZ3 over this, at least at first. KZ's AI is incredible. The only game that I've played where the AI was that good was F.E.A.R. Man, that was some good AI.

F.E.A.R. was such an early game in the gen, also. It kind of made me expect smart AI for the rest of the gen.

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#49 FIipMode
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From what I've seen the AI in Crysis 2 looks like a FAR cry from the "best AI in gaming history" like the devs said it would.
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#50 johny300
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That's one of the big reasons I'm going with KZ3 over this, at least at first. KZ's AI is incredible. The only game that I've played where the AI was that good was F.E.A.R. Man, that was some good AI.

F.E.A.R. was such an early game in the gen, also. It kind of made me expect smart AI for the rest of the gen.

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I'd say the worst AI this gen goes to Assassins creed 2 lol.