CRYSIS Is proof why Blu Ray is not needed.

PC games are different to consoles games, data can be stored on the large HDDs.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with your point, the evidence you use to get their is faulty. 

Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededAhammer80

How is the multiplayer in Crysis? how long did it take to install it? I wish I could have got an early copy like you.........

PC games are different to consoles games, data can be stored on the large HDDs.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with your point, the evidence you use to get their is faulty. 

Danm_999

Oh yeah CD's and DVD's. :|

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

PC games are different to consoles games, data can be stored on the large HDDs.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with your point, the evidence you use to get their is faulty.

explicthangnail

Oh yeah CD's and DVD's. :|

And how many DVDs is Crysis on? Probably 2, an install disk and a play disk. 

[QUOTE="Ahammer80"]Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededKhansoul

How is the multiplayer in Crysis? how long did it take to install it? I wish I could have got an early copy like you.........

Name to me one game that requare more then one DVD?

 BR is flop 

[QUOTE="Khansoul"]

[QUOTE="Ahammer80"]Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededexplicthangnail

How is the multiplayer in Crysis? how long did it take to install it? I wish I could have got an early copy like you.........

Whoosh right over your head!

[QUOTE="explicthangnail"][QUOTE="Khansoul"]

[QUOTE="Ahammer80"]Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededKhansoul

How is the multiplayer in Crysis? how long did it take to install it? I wish I could have got an early copy like you.........

Whoosh right over your head!

when you get a 1080p tv you will see how bad ass blu ray is and it IS needed cause it looks so amazing. e20Dylan

when you get a 1080p tv you will see how bad ass blu ray is and it IS needed cause it looks so amazing. e20Dylan

For movies, yeah. 1080p is nice, and Blu-Ray or HD-DVD are quite nice, and given a choice, yeah, I'd rather have them with my 1080p TV. Necessary? not really. Upconverted DVDs are good enough for most movies.

For gaming? I've been playing console games in high-definition, sometimes 1080p without Blu-Ray or HD-DVD since november 2005. If we go to the PC, I've been playing in high-definition since years before the turn of the millenium, when all we had were CD-based games.

Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededAhammer80

PC games are different to consoles games, data can be stored on the large HDDs.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with your point, the evidence you use to get their is faulty.

Danm_999

[QUOTE="e20Dylan"]when you get a 1080p tv you will see how bad ass blu ray is and it IS needed cause it looks so amazing. SSJ4Gareth

QFT

Name to me one game that requare more then one DVD?

BR is flop

dimar19

Both Dark Messiah and Medieval 2:Total War take 2 DVD's. But yes, i still agree, that BR is pointless. 

the average disc space of games only gets bigger over a console's lifespan. As games get bigger, more advanced and more complex, they necessarily take up more space. If developers were filling up DVDs last generation, there are clearly going to be some sacrifices made to fit current generation games in the same amount of space.

There's no question that you can always cut more levels, compress the audio more, compress the textures more, down-res the mpeg movies, and eventually get any game to fit on a DVD. But you paid for a high-def experience, right? You want the highest resolution, best audio, most cinematic experience a developer can offer, right? That's why Blu-Ray is important for games, and why it will become more important each year of this hardware cycle. Multi discing just isn't cost efficient.

PC games are different to consoles games, data can be stored on the large HDDs.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with your point, the evidence you use to get their is faulty.

Danm_999

All PS3's have HDD standard. When games get bigget they can use the HDD. Therefore Blu-Ray is not needed, end thread. My PC only has 60GB and it does fine. But I guess it really depends on what you do.

There's no question that you can always cut more levels, compress the audio more, compress the textures more, down-res the mpeg movies, and eventually get any game to fit on a DVD. But you paid for a high-def experience, right? You want the highest resolution, best audio, most cinematic experience a developer can offer, right?  Infinatey

Except that both the 360 and the PS3 are limited by 512MB of memory of data they can display at one time. Who are these people who think that Blu-Ray = better graphics? The limiting factor for that has never been disc space.

the average disc space of games only gets bigger over a console's lifespan. As games get bigger, more advanced and more complex, they necessarily take up more space. If developers were filling up DVDs last generation, there are clearly going to be some sacrifices made to fit current generation games in the same amount of space.

Infinatey

Herein lies the problem. Devs were NOT FILLING UP DVDs last generation. The largest Xbox games were nearing 6GB, with the average being substantially lower.  

Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededAhammer80

if you had your choice to play at 1080p on your 60 inch tv(which is what i have) or play on your pc monitor the choice is easy. that was a stupid reply mane20Dylan

You can hook a PC up to a 60 inch tv...as long as it has the right port. 

Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededAhammer80

[QUOTE="Infinatey"]

the average disc space of games only gets bigger over a console's lifespan. As games get bigger, more advanced and more complex, they necessarily take up more space. If developers were filling up DVDs last generation, there are clearly going to be some sacrifices made to fit current generation games in the same amount of space.

Grive

Herein lies the problem. Devs were NOT FILLING UP DVDs last generation. The largest Xbox games were nearing 6GB, with the average being substantially lower.  

If anything it proves Blu-ray IS needed. Recent games like Stalker, Supreme Commander and soon Crysis are near filling DVD9s and have installs of around 10GB.Lazy_Boy88

GT4 was around 8GB, I believe.sdelaney86

And it was hardly the best looking game of next generation, which pretty much shoots the argument of graphics requiring a noticeable size increase. In any case, GT4 was actually around 5.7GB, and included HD graphics. Forza was 2.9 GB.

*EDIT* I'm finding different numbers for GT4, between 3.8 and 5.7 GB. Went with the largest one, since it still fits my argument. 

Name to me one game that requare more then one DVD?

 BR is flop 

dimar19

Flight Simulator X......so much for this debate.

if you had your choice to play at 1080p on your 60 inch tv(which is what i have) or play on your pc monitor the choice is easy. that was a stupid reply mane20Dylan

I plugged my PC into a 1080P westinghouse TV and it looked beautiful. What's your point? :|

Of course no game really needs all that space,  I do however believe it will become a factor in a year or so.

However... 

This format war is going the way of minidisks, we are going to have holographic technology soon and all will be obsolete, data crystals FTW.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060804-7424.html

If i were you id save your money and wait before investing in the next format. for now dvd9s work fine 

Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededAhammer80

I dont know of any system info that has been given for Crysis what are you talking about.

[QUOTE="dimar19"]

Name to me one game that requare more then one DVD?

BR is flop

XaosII

Both Dark Messiah and Medieval 2:Total War take 2 DVD's. But yes, i still agree, that BR is pointless. 

I have a copy of Dark Messiah that came OEM style with my 8800GTS.  Guess how it arrived?  On one DVD9, not two. 

[QUOTE="explicthangnail"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

PC games are different to consoles games, data can be stored on the large HDDs.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with your point, the evidence you use to get their is faulty.

Danm_999

Oh yeah CD's and DVD's. :|

And how many DVDs is Crysis on? Probably 2, an install disk and a play disk. 

[QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="Infinatey"]

the average disc space of games only gets bigger over a console's lifespan. As games get bigger, more advanced and more complex, they necessarily take up more space. If developers were filling up DVDs last generation, there are clearly going to be some sacrifices made to fit current generation games in the same amount of space.

sdelaney86

Herein lies the problem. Devs were NOT FILLING UP DVDs last generation. The largest Xbox games were nearing 6GB, with the average being substantially lower.  

LOL DO YOU KNOW WhAT INSTALLING DOES?

IT GETS THE DATA FROM THE DVD AND SAVES IT ON THE HARD-DRIVE, The pc wont need the disk after you runi it noob LOL

PLAY DISC LMFAOOOOOO!!!!!!Radeon_X1950XTX

I'm sad to ask this... but have you EVER, in your life, BOUGHT a PC game?

A lot of PC games have a play CD, which needs to be on the drive when you play. Sometimes these are just for anti-piracy measures, but oftentimes, there is content in the disc - at least stuff like movies and some sound parts.

[QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"]
LOL DO YOU KNOW WhAT INSTALLING DOES?

IT GETS THE DATA FROM THE DVD AND SAVES IT ON THE HARD-DRIVE, The pc wont need the disk after you runi it noob LOL

PLAY DISC LMFAOOOOOO!!!!!!Grive

I'm sad to ask this... but have you EVER, in your life, BOUGHT a PC game?

A lot of PC games have a play CD, which needs to be on the drive when you play. Sometimes these are just for anti-piracy measures, but oftentimes, there is content in the disc - at least stuff like movies and some sound parts.

[QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"]
LOL DO YOU KNOW WhAT INSTALLING DOES?

IT GETS THE DATA FROM THE DVD AND SAVES IT ON THE HARD-DRIVE, The pc wont need the disk after you runi it noob LOL

PLAY DISC LMFAOOOOOO!!!!!!Grive

I'm sad to ask this... but have you EVER, in your life, BOUGHT a PC game?

A lot of PC games have a play CD, which needs to be on the drive when you play. Sometimes these are just for anti-piracy measures, but oftentimes, there is content in the disc - at least stuff like movies and some sound parts.

i have
half-life 2
cs source
warcraft 3
brothers in arms
battle field 2

im sorry but your still a noob, pc dont need discs, get a crack you will see theres no such thing as a "Play disk" its just installation disk.

Radeon_X1950XTX

Just that... and you call ME a noob? I sometimes purchase more than that on a single game shopping spree.

So, your claim is that because you can *crack* a game and ALTER THE GAME'S FUNCIONALITY, there is no Play disk? Did you know that not all games need full installs?

Or are you so wrapped up in trying to claim some pathetic ownage you're unable to see that many a PC game, in it's main, basic form, uses a PLAY DISK? 

So sad... 

This is stupid. People make " BR is not needed threads" constantly as if they fear it or something.

Look at how massive crysis is and how beautiful it looks and plays and its just on a standard DVD9. If something as amazing as crysis can be made on a DVD/cd rom whatever kind of disc its on, then thats proof why blu ray is not neededAhammer80

 Because it does not contain CG cutscenes. Basically games that like to use CG cutscenes may need more space.

PC games are different to consoles games, data can be stored on the large HDDs.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with your point, the evidence you use to get their is faulty.

Danm_999

My point exactly. Next time you try to talk tech stuff, level 4, please actually know what you're talking about.  

instead of saying something dumb like
TEH CRYSIS WILL HAVE AN INSTALLATION DISK AND A PLAY DISK,

why not just say crysis will have 2 disks?Radeon_X1950XTX

I didn't say it in the first place? I'm just correcting you on your obvious mistake. 

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

PC games are different to consoles games, data can be stored on the large HDDs.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with your point, the evidence you use to get their is faulty.

CyanX73

My point exactly. Next time you try to talk tech stuff, level 4, please actually know what you're talking about.  

 You do realize that the data still needs to be in the disc even if it's going to be installed on the HDD. The game's data still needs to come from somewhere, usually it's compressed in the disc but it's there, the HDD doesn't make data magically appear.